FLDS - The Children

[froggierintexas]

If the state does decide to not let these chidlren return to their parents, and lets all pray they never have to go back to that living h*ll again, what will happen with the children? Will the state place them into foster care with new families or keep them together at some sort of youth ranch or something?

It seems that it may be diffictult to place over 400 children. I know there are tons of children even in my own state that pray daily to be placed with foster families. There is already a huge demand for care for children.

I wonder too. If you look at the number of children looking for a family in Texas already, it makes you wonder.

Here is a Texas site where you can look at 52 pages of children needing homes. http://tare.dfps.state.tx.us/search/SearchResults.jsp

 

[c2cd208]

I wonder too. If you look at the number of children looking for a family in Texas already, it makes you wonder.

Here is a Texas site where you can look at 52 pages of children needing homes. http://tare.dfps.state.tx.us/search/SearchResults.jsp

My neighbor has a social degree and she has friends who foster parent and has often talked of situations and has explained to me that there just are not enough people willing to foster due to the fact that a lot of the chidlren in the system come from such bad places that it is a really hard job to help the children balance out. I know that most states are in the same shape, then I look at the link you provided and it scares me because I worry about where these children will go. If I had the room in my home I would open it up to foster, but I just do not have any room. I will pray that someday the Lord will bless us with a larger home so that we can help out children in need like this. Seeing those faces just makes you want to open your arms and hug and kiss these children and shower them with the love they deserve. Chidren do not ask to be braught into this world especially into a cult like this. It just makes me sick.

No children do not need a lot of toy's, they need to learn to garden because the Bible teaches that if you give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. So I have no problem with them wanting to be productive. But they do need love, attention, pets, and SOME toys. They need education and people to guide, protect and teach them how to go out into the world.

 

[mollymalone]

I was researching to see what I could find on Warren Jeffs wives, and I just had a thought... how many of those women and young girls, pregnant or otherwise belonged to him? He was marrying younger girls and I'm sure that his wives would be among the "privileged" to live at Zion, even if he was incarcerated.

 

[Floh]

In light of the Fritzl Austrian monster case, i'm beginning to wonder if Warren Jeffs had sex and fathered any children with his daughters?

 

[mollymalone]

In light of the Fritzl Austrian monster case, i'm beginning to wonder if Warren Jeffs had sex and fathered any children with his daughters?

It's quite likely a good bet that he has.

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/labels/William%20E. Jessop.htm
Warren Jeffs: Okay. I have this message. The lord has intervened and detected me to myself. He has shown me that I have not held priesthood since I was 20 years old, having been immoral with a sister and a daughter. And father pointing his finger to me was father's test on all of us.

http://www.westwoodone.com/pg/jsp/l...id=231C7A4DFD819F848D6685A0C64B36A1?pid=21592

WATKISS: These are all of his most faithful followers. I bet -- when they sort everything out, Larry, I bet many of the people who they have taken out of that compound turn out to be Warren Jeffs' immediate family. And when I say that, I'm talking about his dozens of wives, his dozens and dozens of children. These are only Warren Jeffs' selected people.

He's abandoned the people in Colorado City and Hildale. They continue to send down their dollars and their daughters, but the bottom line, this is only Warren Jeffs' selected people. This is basically his little monument to himself. Thank goodness he's in jail in Kingman. But he was building this so he could escape the law and basically repopulate his flock, I think, with his own seed.

 

[mollymalone]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy892.htmlTexas District Judge Barbara Walther signed the order Wednesday giving the state custody of the 1-day-old infant born to a teen believed to be 15 or 16 years old. The girl has claimed to be 18 and based on a bishop's record used during the custody hearing two weeks ago, she would be 18 now. But officials believe she is younger and placed her in foster care with other children taken from the ranch.

The newborn is the teen's second child; the first is a 20-month-old boy. The father of both children was identified as Jackson Jessop, 22, but state officials say they don't know his whereabouts.

 

[mollymalone]

This link is to a Bishop's list for 2007http://www.myeldorado.net/graphics/BishopsList.pdf

Remember Unibrow? She's wife #19 out of 22. Her name is Merilyn and her husband is Wendell Nielson, counselor and close confidant of Warren Jeffs.

BTW, when she testified at the hearing, she said her name was Merilyn Jeffs.

 

[justathought]

I just finished reading Carolyn Jessop's book, "Escape" last night. Has Carolyn Jessop had any contact with her daughter, "Betty" and does she know where she is?

The book is excellent and certainly illustrates why the state of Texas had to take action.

I've been following news and info about this cult for some time after reading Under the Banner of Heaven shortly after it was published.

 

[mysteriew]

ELDORADO, TEX. -- The Yearning For Zion ranch a few miles west of nowhere was built to keep the secrets of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints hidden from prying eyes.

But the church's days of splendid isolation and impenetrable secrecy - only the top fringe of the temple's white limestone walls visible from a distant rural road at the edge of the 1,700-acre spread - are rapidly ending.

The Texas Rangers raid of the secluded ranch in early April led to sensational allegations of grooming underage girls for marriage and sexual abuse. And the discovery of a 17-year-old girl at the ranch from an FLDS community in British Columbia could expose a part of the church's life that governments on both sides of the border have long ignored.

Her parents say she had been visiting her grandmother who was living at the Texas ranch. But a weeklong Globe and Mail investigation indicates the trip may have been a ride on a little-known underground railway that takes young girls across the Canada-U.S. border - in both directions - for one purpose: to be assigned as a so-called celestial bride to FLDS men.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...3.POLYGAMY03/TPStory/TPInternational/America/

This article is out of Canada and is pretty informative. I don't see a lot of bias either way, and they didn't even smirk as they wrote about what Blackmore said about the media.

 

[mysteriew]

Texas appears to be in it for the long haul with the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

As state officials await DNA results to help identify the parents of many of the 464 children in state custody, a Utah official said Friday that it will take time to sort out the complex web of relationships within the polygamist sect in Eldorado.

Patricia Sheffield, director of Washington County Children's Justice Center in St. George, Utah, who has dealt with abuse cases involving polygamist families, was one of several out-of-state advisers brought to Texas this week to give guidance to caseworkers overseeing the children removed from the YFZ Ranch after allegations of child abuse prompted a raid on the compound.

"I believe it will probably go into months," Sheffield said. "I don't see how it could not."

And the strain on state agencies will likely last even longer.

http://www.star-telegram.com/national_news/story/620542.html

You know I do have to give Texas CPS some kudos. They do appear to be sensitive to the kids religious orientation, to their lifestyle and culture. And they do seem to be taking those into account in their dealings with them. Many of the CPS 'norms' have and will be turned completely around before this is over.

They are working with other agencies on the terminologies used, attempting to work with the food challenges, attempting to place as many of the kids as possible together, using shelters where they can control the kids exposure rather than foster homes. No I am sure the FLDS doesn't agree with how the situation is being handled. But the CPS has gone over and above on these kids. Way beyond what they would do with other children they might take.

 

[cheko1]

I shortened your post to reply mysteriew! I agree with you so much CPS are totally accomodating the kids & doing everything to make this easy on the kids. Anything they can do to make it easier & more comfortable for the kids CPS is doing it.

 

[cheko1]

This link is to a Bishop's list for 2007http://www.myeldorado.net/graphics/BishopsList.pdf

Remember Unibrow? She's wife #19 out of 22. Her name is Merilyn and her husband is Wendell Nielson, counselor and close confidant of Warren Jeffs.

BTW, when she testified at the hearing, she said her name was Merilyn Jeffs.

That goes to show you how much she wants her kids back she lies about her last name & who she is.

Unibrow is 1 of 21 wives & helps house 36 kids.

I wonder if there is any proof anyplace as to how old they actually are? Its easy for the Bishops list to say the wives are 16 / but how old are they really?

Even with birth certificates they could lie about who they are. They're masters at deceit.

 

[Moe]

They sure are, but it seems no one is buying their sob stories at the moment, because they lie.
Does anyone know how many DNA tests have been given to adults? The proof is in the pudding, no DNA no kids. I'm sorry if that sounds cold, but what else can CPS do? Did the judge order DNA testing? Is a court order being violated?

 

[Ca-Sun]

This link is to a Bishop's list for 2007http://www.myeldorado.net/graphics/BishopsList.pdf

Remember Unibrow? She's wife #19 out of 22. Her name is Merilyn and her husband is Wendell Nielson, counselor and close confidant of Warren Jeffs.

BTW, when she testified at the hearing, she said her name was Merilyn Jeffs.

Perhaps she has been 'reassigned' to a new husband?

 

[yolorado]

They sure are, but it seems no one is buying their sob stories at the moment, because they lie.
Does anyone know how many DNA tests have been given to adults? The proof is in the pudding, no DNA no kids. I'm sorry if that sounds cold, but what else can CPS do?

Agreed. The court has allegations of various things, and it has all these kids with CPS not really having any confidence that they know who these kids are, when they were born, or who they were born to. Kids were changing their stories and parents were telling the authorities different birthdays and names. It was pretty obvious they were lying and trying to hide facts. Plus, you've all these rumors of 'reassignment,' and stories of members missing from other families. CPS may have had actual contacts from family members looking for children somewhere in the FLDS.

DNA is the only sane option here. Before they can 'give back children' to their parents, they're going to find out exactly who those parents actually are. That's the only sensible option under these circumstances. After that, the court can deal with each kid's situation.

 

[mollymalone]

Perhaps she has been 'reassigned' to a new husband?

I think Jeffs is her name, she's probably closely related to Warren Jeffs, perhaps a daughter or a neice, cousin etc.. since she's not legally married to Wendall Neilson but is one of his other wives, she isn't using his last name. I'd hazard a guess and say she might be one of WJ's daughters. He and his close friends have a habit of marrying each other's daughters. What better way to bind them to you than family ties. She has to be one of the more trusted women to be allowed to go in front of the cameras and to testify in court.

 

[mollymalone]

That goes to show you how much she wants her kids back she lies about her last name & who she is.

Unibrow is 1 of 21 wives & helps house 36 kids.

I wonder if there is any proof anyplace as to how old they actually are? Its easy for the Bishops list to say the wives are 16 / but how old are they really?

Even with birth certificates they could lie about who they are. They're masters at deceit.

Reading about how when she was testifying and asked about her sister and her sister's children she was hesitant as if a)she didn't know or b)she was considering what to say that wouldn't get her in trouble from Wendall and Merrill.

 

[Leila]

I think Jeffs is her name, she's probably closely related to Warren Jeffs, perhaps a daughter or a neice, cousin etc.. since she's not legally married to Wendall Neilson but is one of his other wives, she isn't using his last name. I'd hazard a guess and say she might be one of WJ's daughters. He and his close friends have a habit of marrying each other's daughters. What better way to bind them to you than family ties. She has to be one of the more trusted women to be allowed to go in front of the cameras and to testify in court.

When Merilyn gave the tour of her home, Larry King had Carolyn Jessop on and after viewing the tour, Carolyn identified Merilyn as Merilyn Jeffs, and said she had known her since she (Merilyn) was very young.

 

[mollymalone]

When Merilyn gave the tour of her home, Larry King had Carolyn Jessop on and after viewing the tour, Carolyn identified Merilyn as Merilyn Jeffs, and said she had known her since she (Merilyn) was very young.

Carolyn didn't identify who Merilyn's father was did she? She resembles Warren Jeffs.

The name Merilyn is also the name of Warren Jeff's mother. Presumably she was named after her.

 

[mollymalone]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3207603

Brent says he knows of children whose bones were intentionally broken by their fathers as a form of discipline. "I know it exists. It's sad to see and hear all these stories of these kids getting their arms broken. I can't imagine what they're doing to these kids," he said. "These little boys, just like me, it's happening to them right within their own families. They're getting ruined. I mean, it's ruining these kids."

Investigators recently invited Brent to Texas to learn of life inside the FLDS community. He blames the men for not coming forward to give DNA. He believes many of them have already left Eldorado.

"They're all over. They're in South Dakota, down in Mexico, up in Canada. I'm sure they're everywhere," Brent said. "They need to face the music like every other citizen in the United States. If you do something illegal, you need to be tried in court and pay for what you've done."