Florida Bar Allegedly Prepares Case against Baez

[faefrost]

Gagging at the thought...in lieu of disbarment, his license can be suspended for a period of years, and I am wondering whether that suspension can be put on hold until after the trial, whereas it seems disbarment would have to be a kinda on-the-spot thing, once the determination is made.

You will notice that JB would not be the first of KC's attorneys to be disbarred or removed from practice during the course of the case. Todd M was disbarred and it did not slow things by so much as a day.

I almost think it would be better for all concerned to deal with JB before trial. Ineffective Council really does not become an issue until trial. She has at least two rock solid DP qualified attorneys who should already be fully up to speed. At least on all of the legal and ethical proceedings in her case. JB really is the lowest ranked most inexperienced lawyer on her team. Eliminating him before trial may delay things a very short period. Probably less than 30 days. Keeping him in there raises more appeal issues that it solves.

One would hope that at this point JB and CM are truly considering going and having a long meeting with KC, where they politely ask her to please dismiss JB from her employ. he is doing more harm to the client and the case than any possible good. This is her life on the line. It's time for him to fall on his sword and let the big kids take over.

 

[strach304]

I just had a very random thought.......

While reading LB's second deposition, could the reason JB is being investigated/complaint filed be because the defense was made aware through it's investigators that LB's original signed statement from 10/2009 was impeached by her walk though with MS & AL? In their pleadings, and all the refiled TES motions after May 10, 2010, the defense continued to stick with LB searched the exact spot when they knew this was not true?

To me it seem like a misrepresentation of material fact. Just my opinion.

Excellent theory. We had speculated that maybe this was the reason for AL leaving. I have no doubt JB knew as well but proving it may be difficult.

 

[Ada]

http://www.wftv.com/news/26717189/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lead attorney, Jose Baez, was hit with another ethics complaint. This one is so severe, he could lose his ability to practice law if it proves to be true.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says it shouldn't impact Casey's criminal case, because the investigation probably won't be done until after Casey's murder trial is over. The Florida Bar Association might make sure of that so it doesn't affect her trial, but it could affect Baez's credibility with the judge.

*snort*

ETA: "If this is true, other than stealing or being accused of stealing a client's money, there is no more serious charge that a lawyer can face," Sheaffer said.

BBM

I'm pretty sure he did that too, MOO.

 

[Ada]

I agree. It's time for CM to put his little baby in the corner. I know a lot of people don't like CM, but I don't mind him as much? I find him to be funny sometimes. He's just an old man, set in his ways, and I think he is in a transitional phase in his life where he knows that he is going to have to hang it up soon. It seems to me that he struggles with this because he obviously loves what he does (loves the challenge) and he has been very good at what he does. He can be snippy and sometimes out-right-rude... but he also has a Southern charm about him... which is my weakness. Judge Perry has that Southern charm too :rocker:

I know this sounds weird, but if I feel I can sit down at a bar, have a drink with you, and have a good time... you're my type of person. I think I would enjoy CM's company.

... snip

I mostly agree with you. I love the Southern charm and good old boys (being a southern girl). With CM I go between being really annoyed by him and 'getting' him at the same time. I think I'd enjoy a beer with him but I think we'd probably argue our way through it. Maybe an antagonistic beer buddy.

Hey, I can even understand him when he talks! Unfortunately, I can't post from work (hearing time) so I can't translate for WS. :sothere:

 

[LolaMoon08]

You will notice that JB would not be the first of KC's attorneys to be disbarred or removed from practice during the course of the case. Todd M was disbarred and it did not slow things by so much as a day.

I almost think it would be better for all concerned to deal with JB before trial. Ineffective Council really does not become an issue until trial. She has at least two rock solid DP qualified attorneys who should already be fully up to speed. At least on all of the legal and ethical proceedings in her case. JB really is the lowest ranked most inexperienced lawyer on her team. Eliminating him before trial may delay things a very short period. Probably less than 30 days. Keeping him in there raises more appeal issues that it solves.

One would hope that at this point JB and CM are truly considering going and having a long meeting with KC, where they politely ask her to please dismiss JB from her employ. he is doing more harm to the client and the case than any possible good. This is her life on the line. It's time for him to fall on his sword and let the big kids take over.

I agree with everything that you said, but I have a problem even imagining Casey willingly agreeing to dismiss JB. I have a problem with JB, thinking enough about Casey and the case against her, to even propose the idea of Casey, basically, firing him. JB is not the type of person to fall on his sword. They are going to have to forcefully remove JB from this case.

If that happens... it happens. At the same time, I don't know if Casey would be willing to stick with her current defense? Casey doesn't seem like the type of person who would connect with Cheney Mason's personality by itself. I don't even know how much actual contact Casey has had with Cheney Mason without Baez? And Ann Finnell? Dorthy Clay-Sims? I just don't know? I could see her firing her entire defense... out of spite. Everything would have been taken from her... again. :sick:

Then what? Some other joker of an attorney comes on this case trying to make a name for himself? Or would no one be willing to touch this case and she is stuck with a public defender?

I guess it really doesn't matter? I just hate the thought of this trial being delayed for years and years... after it has already been so long? What a mess!

 

[kaRN]

I just finished reading LB's 2nd deposition from last November. I have to say in all my years of being a courtside juror, I've never heard a witness ask to speak not to her lawyer but to a member of the opposing side to whomever they were questioned by. Not once but twice. WTH was that???? Such a tampered tortured witness she was that LB. Chalk one up for Caylee!!
I have no doubt after reading that deposition, that JB is the focus of any criminal investigation, not the easily manipulated and not so bright LB. When he asked her during the depo if she was aware she was the target of a criminal investigation lMO that was a direct threat and on the record witness tampering. Then he points out she's crying. Ya buddy because you just threatened her. I&%$#$%( sorry but WTF!!
Wasn't the second deposition scheduled to occur after LE had investigated the inconsistancies brought forth from the first? Didn't LB have immunity from prosecution as long as she was truthful and wasn't that explained to her at the very beginning of the deposition and recorded???
I don't think there's a single lawyer associated with this case that doesn't have enough dirt on JB to file a complaint with the Bar. We've been basing our assumption that JB misrepresented something to the judge when couldn't he have just misrepresented something in a deposition, like he did in this one asserting that LB was the target of a criminal investigation when she in fact is not, it was him who was??

I've been really critical of CM. I don't understand him when he speaks and he makes this strange whistle through his moustache sometimes that makes my skin crawl. That said, he's really quite forceful in print. I was really impressed how the whole tone of LB's deposition changed the moment he was directing the questions.
Maybe CM filed the Bar complaint. He has the least to fear and the most to gain IMO.
Maybe the misrepresentation was JB telling the court that CM had seen the fraudulant form in the TES FILES. We have that on the record. Just a thought.

 

[kaRN]

That is brilliant Nums. That depo is a gold mine. For Andrea Lyon to have been on that walkabout....no way in the world the defense lawyers can hang Mort out as the sacrificial lamb and claim they worked off of his assertions only. There is no plausable deniablity.
I always think I have heard it all, but that Andrea, God bless her, in her Hush Puppies was out there in the woods would have been something I never could have guessed. :floorlaugh:

That is what we learned in the depo, Laura, her lawyer, Mort and Andrea went out to the woods to retrace her steps, literally.
That Laura's lawyer was with them matters. So he is a witness to the fact that never ever did Laura walk them by the magic spot. We know this because AFTER Laura and the Scooby Doo crew retraced her steps, her lawyer asks Mort and Andrea...ok so just where out in theses woods was the baby found?
The need for that question does not arise if you had came upon the magic spot on Laura's path. No two inferences can be drawn from that. I guess now we will wind up having to have him deposed, too, just like Joe Jordan's lawyer.

Jose asked Laura if she was aware that he, Cheney and Cindy had received investigative subpoenas due to this investigation. I hope Mort and Andrea sure got ones too. You just can't make this stuff up!!!

LB depo thanks to Muzikman, my hero!
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bbm I perceived that comment as a veiled threat as well. LB is clearly a soul that wants to be wanted and needed in a big way. She signed the statement Mort gave her to help. She wanted to help in the emails. Such a helper

We saw in the last document dump, investigative material from everyone JB mentioned above except CM. If CM was cooperating with LE on an investigation of JB would they keep his deposition or email reports supressed now?

 

[Amil]

I just finished reading LB's 2nd deposition from last November. I have to say in all my years of being a courtside juror, I've never heard a witness ask to speak not to her lawyer but to a member of the opposing side to whomever they were questioned by. Not once but twice. WTH was that???? Such a tampered tortured witness she was that LB. Chalk one up for Caylee!!
I have no doubt after reading that deposition, that JB is the focus of any criminal investigation, not the easily manipulated and not so bright LB. When he asked her during the depo if she was aware she was the target of a criminal investigation lMO that was a direct threat and on the record witness tampering. Then he points out she's crying. Ya buddy because you just threatened her. I&%$#$%( sorry but WTF!!
Wasn't the second deposition scheduled to occur after LE had investigated the inconsistancies brought forth from the first? Didn't LB have immunity from prosecution as long as she was truthful and wasn't that explained to her at the very beginning of the deposition and recorded???
I don't think there's a single lawyer associated with this case that doesn't have enough dirt on JB to file a complaint with the Bar. We've been basing our assumption that JB misrepresented something to the judge when couldn't he have just misrepresented something in a deposition, like he did in this one asserting that LB was the target of a criminal investigation when she in fact is not, it was him who was??

I've been really critical of CM. I don't understand him when he speaks and he makes this strange whistle through his moustache sometimes that makes my skin crawl. That said, he's really quite forceful in print. I was really impressed how the whole tone of LB's deposition changed the moment he was directing the questions.
Maybe CM filed the Bar complaint. He has the least to fear and the most to gain IMO.
Maybe the misrepresentation was JB telling the court that CM had seen the fraudulant form in the TES FILES. We have that on the record. Just a thought.

Whoa!! and Wow!!!

 

[Lera213]

OH MY GOSH, I HAVE PT tomorrow!

 

[iluvmua]

That would be AWESOME if JB lost the Casey Anthony trial and then after that lost his liscense . (sorry my spelling is off)

 

[Aedrys]

I don't know about Casey letting JB go because I don't think she understands what consequences are. Them telling her that JB is doing more harm than good won't mean anything to her. She doesn't think like we do. She thinks that there's always a way around consequences, and I'm sure she thinks Baez is going to have a miracle moment and save her still. A normal person would be firing their attorney like last year. Casey still hasn't budged on Baez or said anything negative about him on record. That is just totally weird considering all the things he's done up until this point. I just think she thinks differently than a normal person, and just doesn't get how much he's hurting her case. She doesn't see problems, she sees mistruths and misunderstandings that aren't a big deal in her world.

So what there's a forged document and Baez tried to use it? That just means, in her mind, that he's fighting hard to get her free, even cheating and lying for her. That probably built him up even more in her mind, not less.

 

[faefrost]

bbm I perceived that comment as a veiled threat as well. LB is clearly a soul that wants to be wanted and needed in a big way. She signed the statement Mort gave her to help. She wanted to help in the emails. Such a helper

We saw in the last document dump, investigative material from everyone JB mentioned above except CM. If CM was cooperating with LE on an investigation of JB would they keep his deposition or email reports supressed now?

Florida Sunshine laws don't kick in until charges are filed. So if LB or JB or whoever have not been charged with anything, then the results of any investigative subpoenas probably will not be released or public yet.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

http://www.wesh.com/video/26731329/detail.html
Casey Anthony defense attorneys Jose Baez and Cheney Mason had no comments on recent case developments Thursday. WESH 2's Bob Kealing caught up with the two at the Orange County Courthouse as they finished depositions.



They say silence is golden...both had NO COMMENT....first of many, I'd guess...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[drip~drop]

Whoa!! and Wow!!!

Will you be being our special court observer today?
See if you can sit where you can see all the faces ica makes and all the other interesting stuff iykwim? Of course look for ca and ga and how they act. It is so interesting to me how they act. I'd trust your observations over LG's any day. That saying she (ica) looked suicidal because she had her hands clasped under her chin just didn't cut it for me. imo
Thanks.:rocker:

 

[drip~drop]

http://www.wesh.com/video/26731329/detail.html
Casey Anthony defense attorneys Jose Baez and Cheney Mason had no comments on recent case developments Thursday. WESH 2's Bob Kealing caught up with the two at the Orange County Courthouse as they finished depositions.



They say silence is golden...both had NO COMMENT....first of many, I'd guess...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

It only took over two years to manage to say "no comment" so something is clicking in there.
imo.

 

[Macushla]

Will you be being our special court observer today?
See if you can sit where you can see all the faces ica makes and all the other interesting stuff iykwim? Of course look for ca and ga and how they act. It is so interesting to me how they act. I'd trust your observations over LG's any day. That saying she (ica) looked suicidal because she had her hands clasped under her chin just didn't cut it for me. imo
Thanks.:rocker:

Today is just a status hearing and KC will not be there. If she isn't there CA won't show up either.

The agenda should only be about where the case stands at this point, but I am hoping, hoping, hoping, HHJP brings up the request for extension of time that JB filed.

 

[Amil]

Today is just a status hearing and KC will not be there. If she isn't there CA won't show up either.

The agenda should only be about where the case stands at this point, but I am hoping, hoping, hoping, HHJP brings up the request for extension of time that JB filed.

I'm planning to go anyway....are you going to be there too?

 

[chefmom]

Today is just a status hearing and KC will not be there. If she isn't there CA won't show up either.

The agenda should only be about where the case stands at this point, but I am hoping, hoping, hoping, HHJP brings up the request for extension of time that JB filed.

Hey, Mac! :seeya: It seems to me that HHJP will HAVE to address the extension today, won't he? JB asking for an extension is directly connected to his status and whether he is getting prepared for trial in a timely fashion, IMO. I just can't see how it WON'T be on the agenda. At least, I am HOPING it is! Good times ahead, folks!

 

[nums24]

Excellent theory. We had speculated that maybe this was the reason for AL leaving. I have no doubt JB knew as well but proving it may be difficult.

I still believe that AL bailed because of the new rule effective 7/1/2010 that prohibited lawyers leaving their clients once they became indigent. I think the visit to the woods may have helped her come to that conclusion.

 

[kaRN]

Excellent theory. We had speculated that maybe this was the reason for AL leaving. I have no doubt JB knew as well but proving it may be difficult.

Mort was a value added AL brought to the case so she must have left that forest with really dirty hands then because if this was a case of some nutjob coming forward then retracting their statement, you`d think it would inspire an àngel of death to try harder, not cut loose. JMO