For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[kwmred]

I feel there is still more to find out about this case. There is too many bizarre coincidences, twists and turns, in this case for it to be over now.

And, I still feel like this was an accident that snowballed out of control, and I feel like out of all the discovery released and everything the state did present to court, she didn't murder her child. Granted, I didn't follow this closely for 3 years and meticulously analyze every piece of discovery with dozens of others on this board. But, from what I saw with my own eyes and discussed in little bits here and there, I didn't see any reason to come up with any other conclusion than what the jury did.

I don't see many twists and turns at all. IMO common sense was simply thrown out with this jury. They didn't even review the evidence. There was one juror who didn't even pay attention in court or take notes. She wanted so badly to be on this jury ... why? There is a part of me that thinks they wanted a contrary verdict because of greed. I'm worried about what this says about our society.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm not a chemist either :innocent:

But, it's been said over and over again that chloroform is highly volatile, I would assume that means it doesn't bind to anything. Now, if you're inferring that it was in the human decomposition fluid that binded to the trunk carpet, then why isn't there a dark stain to reflect that? there are 2 stains I saw in the carpet of the trunk, a brown one (that looked like a pile of dirt) and a white-ish one (bleach maybe?). On the underside of the trunk carpet IIRC it looked 'wet'; but not like a decompositional fluid that is so toxic it destroys biological growth.

I have never seen a decomposition stain. Is it dark or light or do you need an alternate light source to see it well?Or as Baez says "alternating light source".

 

[Chablis]

I don't see many twists and turns at all. IMO common sense was simply thrown out with this jury. They didn't even review the evidence. There was one juror who didn't even pay attention in court or take notes. She wanted so badly to be on this jury ... why? There is a part of me that thinks they wanted a contrary verdict because of greed. I'm worried about what this says about our society.

Yes, but had they done the thing everyone thought they were going to do, I have no doubts they would have been treated like the Chilean miners and they would have been treated as kings and queens for doing the "popular thing"

People want to filet them and feed them to piranhas right now so........

 

[Wishbone]

I wish I could agree,but ignoring the real evidence and making stuff up out of thin air ,does not make her NG and it makes me crazy that these theories are thrown around,epecially when they spring from incorrect information.

This isn't a theory but a belief I am convinced of...For myself, I know CA and GA went into coverup mode IMMEDIATELY. IMO there is no other reason than to cover up Caylee's intentional murder by ICA. They knew from the get go.

 

[MissJames]

I feel there is still more to find out about this case. There is too many bizarre coincidences, twists and turns, in this case for it to be over now.

And, I still feel like this was an accident that snowballed out of control, and I feel like out of all the discovery released and everything the state did present to court, she didn't murder her child. Granted, I didn't follow this closely for 3 years and meticulously analyze every piece of discovery with dozens of others on this board. But, from what I saw with my own eyes and discussed in little bits here and there, I didn't see any reason to come up with any other conclusion than what the jury did.

ETA : all the pieces of discovery are still available here and at many news stations.Tons of threads with hundreds and hundreds of posters opinions after looking at all the discovery,too. It really is worth looking at to understand this case.IMO

Caylee was almost 3 and talking. What do you suppose ICA was going to do when that happened? Or maybe it did happen.Maybe Caylee talked and talked and talked that entire Sunday she was with Cindy.The last day she was alive. ICA had a pretty sweet little gig going on for 2 years and now Caylee could blow it for her.
Or maybe ,just as ICA told Lee ,she's a spiteful B!%@&. Her own grandmother believed she did something to Caylee and said "Maybe Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee" in an LE interview..
Or maybe Caylee cried for Cindy that night and wanted to go to Cindy instead Casey. Maybe Caylee really liked Cindy more because she did things with her,like learning to climb the steps to the pool,swimming and chasing after her while her own mother sits in a chair and laughs. Maybe Casey was sick of hearing Caylee cry for Cindy and that's why she put duct tape over her mouth. :waitasec: Could be? Just a theory.

 

[beccalecca1]

I have never seen a decomposition stain. Is it dark or light or do you need an alternate light source to see it well?Or as Baez says "alternating light source".

Dr. Furton (I believe) showed the stains of decomposition of a pig, which is the closest animal to humans. That stain was black, and horrid. There was many testimonies of decomposition stains on the ground which are black. Why would a trunk of a car be magically clean? Or better yet, the stain be white?

 

[gngr~snap]

I feel there is still more to find out about this case. There is too many bizarre coincidences, twists and turns, in this case for it to be over now.

And, I still feel like this was an accident that snowballed out of control, and I feel like out of all the discovery released and everything the state did present to court, she didn't murder her child. Granted, I didn't follow this closely for 3 years and meticulously analyze every piece of discovery with dozens of others on this board. But, from what I saw with my own eyes and discussed in little bits here and there, I didn't see any reason to come up with any other conclusion than what the jury did.

I think GA did have chloroform. Why? It used to be used to clean upholstry on cars in his deposition about the gas cans... he IMO made as weird slip. He said he was the only one that "did the gas" then corrected himself
AND when asked what Caylee was wearing when he last saw her BLACK came out of his mouth first!
Jury pegged him.
moo

 

[pcrum12]

To everyone that believes that Caylee (deceased) was in the trunk of Casey's car with chloroform and all... can you please help me understand this one point:

After the car had been sitting in the towyard for approx. 2 weeks, the Anthony's took the car home and opened up every door, window, hood, and trunk to air it out. Chloroform is a highly volatile substance, and I would suspect that after being in the trunk for 2 weeks, it would've all been released into the trunk air and then out into the atmosphere for the minimum 2 hours that Cindy returned to work (possibly longer depending on when she finally closed the trunk).

When LE confiscated the car the next day, how would there have been off the charts chloroform in the trunk if it was all aired out? Doesn't it make more sense that before closing the trunk the final time Cindy attempted to clean it, possibly even using a bleach solution to get rid of the smell (or a cleaner with bleach in it), and then when she closed the trunk the final time the chloroform departed into the trunk air at that time?

I'm so confused when people continue to talk about Caylee being chloroformed and the proof is in the air samples, when everyone knows that the car was aired out for hours. I'm pretty sure Brian the neighbor testified to seeing the trunk opened up. If not him, I know I heard someone state they saw the car all opened up on the 15th of July.

sold me. i agree. makes no sense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Dr. Furton (I believe) showed the stains of decomposition of a pig, which is the closest animal to humans. That stain was black, and horrid. There was many testimonies of decomposition stains on the ground which are black. Why would a trunk of a car be magically clean? Or better yet, the stain be white?

Ok, thank you.I wonder why so many thought it smelled like human decomposition in the trunk?
Were they all lying or just mistaken.

 

[MissJames]

I have never seen a decomposition stain. Is it dark or light or do you need an alternate light source to see it well?Or as Baez says "alternating light source".

there are more of these.I'll be back

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14305&d=1301765879

 

[beccalecca1]

Caylee was almost 3 and talking. What do you suppose ICA was going to do when that happened? Or maybe it did happen.Maybe Caylee talked and talked and talked that entire Sunday she was with Cindy.The last day she was alive. ICA had a pretty sweet little gig going on for 2 years and now Caylee could blow it for her.
Or maybe ,just as ICA told Lee ,she's a spiteful B!%@&. Her own grandmother believed she did something to Caylee and said "Maybe Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee" .
Or maybe Caylee cried for Cindy that night and wanted to go to Cindy instead Casey. Maybe Caylee really liked Cindy more because she did things with her,like learning to climb the steps to the pool,swimming and chasing after her while her own mother sits in a chair and laughs. Maybe Casey was sick of hearing Caylee cry for Cindy and that's why she put duct tape over her mouth. :waitasec: Could be? Just a theory.

To me, in order to believe that Casey was capable of killing her child because she was learning to speak is, I would have to believe in many other bizarre theories. I don't see someone killing their child because they're learning to speak. Isn't it expected that one day your child will talk? Why wouldn't she just not have the child, have an abortion, or kill the child before when it became clear that her child would one day learn to talk. Seriously, is it not common sense that your child will be talking one day?

And, what exactly was Casey trying to hide so much that she didn't want little Caylee tattling on her for? That she was out dating? That she didn't have a job? Come on! Casey lied to her parents about her pregnancy and I would think that's an even bigger lie then that she's not really working. And, she was stealing money left and right, I hope Casey would've realized that she wasn't that great about lying on the job thing. And the dating thing. If we believe Cindy truly gave her space so she could solidify a relationship with Jeffrey Hopkins, why would Casey kill her child so she could actually solidify a relationship with Tony? He didn't appear to be that bad of a guy, and it appeared like he liked Caylee. I'm sure Cindy would've accepted Tony if this didn't happen.

And, Casey took Caylee with her everywhere when her mom didn't babysit. And, her mom didn't babysit often enough for me to consider her a neglectful mother just trying to toss her daughter off on her parents. I've seen people like this with my own 2 eyes, and Casey didn't once appear to me as someone who thought her child was a burden. Yes, she made one comment that I know of calling her child a snot nose brat (or something like that), but one comment? She also made a comment to a friend about her daughter pooping in the potty.

To me, Casey would've been happy of the relationship Caylee had with Cindy. Keep in mind, Caylee didn't have other grandparents, other aunts and uncles, other family members in her life. Cindy was the grandmother, and that was that. Casey would've been grateful for her to be in Caylee's life. There was no other family there for Caylee, no other grandmom. I don't think Casey would get pissed and kill her child over some jealousy. Why not just take Caylee away from the family to 'show Cindy'?

 

[Chablis]

Ok, thank you.I wonder why so many thought it smelled like human decomposition in the trunk?
Were they all lying or just mistaken.

Its obvious to me that Caylee was in the back of the car, but the family did clean the car, and if chloroform can come from cleaning products and the car was aired out for hours, how can anyone successfully argue the child was killed with chloroform? That is suspension of disbelief.

 

[Boytwnmom]

remains and thus they were not there during the searches by DC. The absurdity of that is yet another reason why the DT theory required a suspension of common sense to adopt. It was always every else who did inexplicable actions without any evidence presented and Casey was always the vicitme of this vast conspiracy.

I don't think he took the remains home either, and I'm sure that isn't what the DT was trying to imply. I believe they were saying that he stumbled on them in August, and when no one believed him then he did whatever he could to insure he'd be the one known to have found her whenever he called the next time. One peculiar thing about this though, and I know some are going to think I'm a conspiracy theorist for this, is watching the video of Dominic Casey out there and listening to Roy's 1st 911 calls and seeing the crime scene photos, I'm convinced Dominic Casey was in the spot of her remains. But, her remains are not on that video. She either wasn't there then or she was buried. Dominic and Hoover practically step over/on where she should've been. That stuck out to me and I found it disturbing, and furthered my thinking that Casey didn't put her out in the swamp.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Its obvious to me that Caylee was in the back of the car, but the family did clean the car, and if chloroform can come from cleaning products and the car was aired out for hours, how can anyone successfully argue the child was killed with chloroform? That is suspension of disbelief.

I was asking about the smell. Not about chloroform. As for cleaning the trunk, I don't know. Maybe.

 

[Chablis]

I was asking about the smell. Not about chloroform. As for cleaning the trunk, I don't know. Maybe.

I thought the A's admitting to cleaning the car was a given? I already know a body was in that car, imo, but if you want to say someone went on a murder rage using chloroform on their child, and you are using samples from a trunk that has been admittedly cleaned and aired out for hours to prove the case? No wonder they lost because that is absurd!

 

[gngr~snap]

There is just so much that does not add up. KC told GA she hadn't left Orlando since March. He said the dogs were never sick. He never question KC about Zanny. Says she told him about Zanny in Jan 2008. Never asked her where Caylee was after they found the car....Said KC wasn't even home the night of the 15th.

 

[beccalecca1]

Ok, thank you.I wonder why so many thought it smelled like human decomposition in the trunk?
Were they all lying or just mistaken.

Well, some may have been sold on the smell by power of suggestion? There are many more people involved who have had experience in human decomp who didn't smell anything. I would think everyone involved would've smelled it, not just a select few. And, if (a big IF) GA and the towyard manager truly smelled human decomposition, why didn't either one of them call the police?

I understood the manager to testify that he's had many vehicles with bodies in the car on his lot. When someone manages a lot like that, picks up a vehicle that he believes to have a dead body in it, isn't it required for him to notify the police to either find the owner or open the car up? If that isn't done, isn't that hindering an investigation? Or something like that? This manager was closely involved with LE, why wouldn't he just make a quick call to find out about the car? Or, when GA left with the car why not just mention since he was saying his daughter/granddaughter were missing, mention to LE that the car smelled like decomp? No, instead you wait until you hear the news that the child is missing and the mother is a suspect.... THEN you come clean with this information? And THEN is when LE decided to pick up the vehicle. Not before, when everyone was around the car and should've clearly smelled human decomp.

 

[Chablis]

There is just so much that does not add up. KC told GA she hadn't left Orlando since March. He said the dogs were never sick. He never question KC about Zanny. Says she told him about Zanny in Jan 2008. Never asked her where Caylee was after they found the car....Said KC wasn't even home the night of the 15th.

George probably didn't give a rats patoot what was going on with Caylee and Casey, as he was probably more than likely wrapped up in his scandal Du jour of the month all while dealing with a manic upset wife. jmo

 

[french75]

To me, in order to believe that Casey was capable of killing her child because she was learning to speak is, I would have to believe in many other bizarre theories. I don't see someone killing their child because they're learning to speak. Isn't it expected that one day your child will talk? Why wouldn't she just not have the child, have an abortion, or kill the child before when it became clear that her child would one day learn to talk. Seriously, is it not common sense that your child will be talking one day?

And, what exactly was Casey trying to hide so much that she didn't want little Caylee tattling on her for? That she was out dating? That she didn't have a job? Come on!

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Add to this that Casey was already lying so much that it would have been fairly easy to just make something else up to fix this, whether it was something about already catching Caylee "making up" other things recently or that she had just lost the job at Universal and was too ashamed to tell them so she was pretending to still work and that's why she took the money from grandpa, whatever. She was already such a liar and CA was used to looking the other way.

 

[beccalecca1]

I thought the A's admitting to cleaning the car was a given? I already know a body was in that car, imo, but if you want to say someone went on a murder rage using chloroform on their child, and you are using samples from a trunk that has been admittedly cleaned and aired out for hours to prove the case? No wonder they lost because that is absurd!

How could they have cleaned up the stain and made the trunk look as it did in the photographs? Didn't someone testify that you can't clean human decomp, you have to replace the carpet/trunk liner/whatever? I mean, that fluid is filled with fatty oils, how can someone clean it up?