For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Soulmagent]

But what if she did put it away each and everytime?

I dont see what case they wouldve had against GA. He was not in charge of Caylee, Casey was.
If he was responsible for this do you really think he wouldve been encouraging KC to talk to the FBI?

They have a bit of of evidence in that connect dots to george, He makes just as good a suspect for the murder of Caylee (if you believe hr murdered instead of accidental)

I do think he would have pointed Casey toward FBI if he did murder Caylee (but I dont think she was murdered)

I dont believe Cindy did put the pool ladder away each and every time. There are pictures of it left out.

And the thing I posted in your quoted post about GA having a better case, was meaning I think they could have got him convicted. He could be linked to the body, and the tape and the gas cans and they had a picture of him using the tape. Which is exactly why they couldnt convict Casey. So they could have convicted GA. imo.

Casey never ever said when she saw Caylee last so GA is one of the last people who reportedly saw Caylee. He is a parental caregiver and also has a temper. They really could have locked down on him as a suspect had they wanted to .

 

[JudysSisterMaureen]

IMHO, there is a difference between the judge's orders of using only the evidence presented in a courtroom, and your gut. The DNA evidence assumed to be so damning, was gone. There were so many lies in that family and household - no one knew who actually did the internet searches. Could have been any of them.

It makes me sick that she got away with murder. SICK. But as for what the jurors job was - it was to use the EVIDENCE presented in the courtroom. And because of all the lies and the decaying body - the evidence did not weigh.

Casey should have been proven not innocent. Or perhaps different charges, with different thresholds brought against her. But as it stands, she was simply "not proven" guilty. and because of double-jeopardy, she can't be tried again for the same crime.

Shameful.

 

[pcrum12]

Did SA use the "84 times" in the closing? I can't remember? Did they know then? Did they know before the opening? Why would they use it at all if they knew it really wasn't 84 times?

OCSO was told June 16th and LDB was told June 16-19th and Cindy was on the stand being cross examined by her on June 23rd when LDB was pounding the 84 times, 84 times!.... Yea, they knew before the DT CIC was done.

http://www.cacheback.ca/news/news_release-20110711-1.asp

 

[pcrum12]

If this doesn't turn out to be major I will be shocked!
I predicted the jury's verdict.

It just leads me to explore what
else was "missed" besides Caylee in August!

Well one obvious thing that was missed in Aug is the REMAINS when RK called it in and the officer didn't look and yelled at him for wasting his time.

 

[pcrum12]

Why do you say the OCSO will answer soon? Havent heard them promise answers so if you have and could link me that would be wonderful.

Are they going to sell interveiws too?

Nah, they gave one press conference and announced they would give no more interviews so that any additional errors wouldn't be uncovered in an interview lol JMO. And, they really didn't answer any hard questions during that PC

 

[pcrum12]

"According to the OCSD officer, this discrepancy was known LONG before trial".

"This information was provided to the prosecution and to the OCSD in advance of the State's rebuttal, and the OCSD officer's second appearance (for the State). I even offered to fly down there overnight at my own expense to set the record straight"

http://www.cacheback.ca/news/news_release-20110711-1.asp

OSCO can continue to ignore it and KC can sue forcing them to re-open the case OR
OSCO can re-open the case and get sued anyway.

here's my arguement-

The 1 chloroform search was done 3/17/08 at 1:43pm
coinciding with fetish sites most women aren't known to
visit. We learned early on in the investigation that
GA has a history of this however most choose to
ignore that fact. (it was spouted all over the media)
The chloroform was search was done
after Ricardo M myspace site, The neck breaking etc
was also searched this day.
GA was known to follow KC and chase off any
boyfriends she had. Perhaps why she dated a few cops.

shortly after 1:43pm there is no activity until the next day.

on 3/21/08 the chloroform search is recalled from the
history. GA and CA were at work.
This was probably KC tracing his steps.
Remember she told many friends her dad was cheating?

KC was known to almost always delete her searches.
However the A's almost never did! Over 4 1/2 years
never cleared their history cache or cookies.
KC cashed her bday check that day. The timing
she did this may prove GA (or a random person in the home)
did the chloroform search.

Since the SAO was using chloroform/then duct tape was the murder
weapon(s) chloroform was searched 84 times!!!,
and the OHIO rare duct tape was used. It kinda narrows
it down to two people living in the home and had access to it.
The chloroform however??? GA and his "part of me,had it
for 20 years gas can" is a red flag to me. He went on about well that can there is a mix. OF WHAT? he said gas and oil.
But he also said he "did the gas" at the house-uh mowed the lawn.
CA said it's "not like she's in the woods " uhhh -out there somewhere"

The fact that the warnings from John Bradley were
known for many months, and went unheeded before
closing arguements are HUGE!

What if KC had gotten the DP?
the masses may be cool with that but IMO it is unexcusable!

If they ignored this what else didn't seem important?
3 calls about Caylee in the woods in August maybe?


I am a nurse not a lawyer. I will copy and post this to ask AZlawyer if this has any merit.

I forgot the question!
Oh! OSCO will have to answer for this soon!
No way this is getting swept under the rug.


They cleared GA. X-LE and all.
How well did they investigated him I wonder.


I am over pretending to know these "grandparents"
"grandparents " can be criminals too.
This is about Caylee!

IMO GA needs to be looked at now!
Was this his next get rich scheme?
CA perjured herself for George! not Casey!

I predicted the" not guilty verdict"
I said JB "knocked it out of the park"

I am fighting for what I believe in.

I believe KC was found not guilty because
the wrong person was charged.
NOTHING she could do but wait until her day in court.
FOR 3 YEARS!
IF people found out he let her sit there, as CM said "in a cage"
Most wouldn't believe that either.
KC has protected him til the bitter end.
I can't blame her for not calling him to thank him!
What daughter would ever speak to him again?
And YES! I still blame her too!
She grew up in that house, she knew what went on.
She did not protect her child.
THAT I don't get.

all moo

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...rge-anthony-s-prosecution-deposition-august-5
http://media.photobucket.com/image/...thony/caylee_anthony-0269-WebSearch-Pt08P.jpg

Thanks wasn't enough!

 

[pcrum12]

so if she was not guilty, they why was she afraid to testify in court and speak the truth? i am very angry at the verdict, AND angry why casey anthony is now all of a sudden murderer turned celebrity?@#$ GOD help me understand. why was she driven off in an suv and then flown off in a PRIVATE PLANE? why does she need PROTECTION when last i heard she was in jail for most likely murdering her little girl? why would publishers even pay her $$$? i know she is infamous, but to walk free from murdering a prescious little girl and then go on to profit off of caylee's death is disgusting. what is wrong with america's value and justice system? i am sick of this... i keep hoping to see some form of justice for caylee, but it seems i am more angry the more i read.

BBM: Because if she had taken the stand all the check stealing felonies would have come out and could have made her look guilty to the jury regardless of the fact that being guilty of stealing and being guilty of murder are two different things. However, public opinion doesn't see that for some reason. JMO

 

[pcrum12]

I am no computer expert, but my DH is a computer forensics examiner. I tried and tried to get him to read everything, about the computer results, and he still hasn't fully explained it to me (where I could understand). What little he did say was that in 2008, Net Analysis had not been perfected (as you know). Why they didn't just use Encase, I don't know. Maybe they were trying to double check their computer findings by using two software programs. My DH seems to think that the main problem was a lack of conveying to the jury, in layman's terms, all things connected to the searches and findings. Usually they use graphs, poster to show searches, by the different people in the house, showing a behavioral profile. I don't think this was done. Not knocking the state, they had enough to present in this case. I really don't know if it would have made a difference, with this jury, anyway.

Most Sheriff's Dept's are lucky to have two CFE's. OCSD had two, but Sandra had only been practicing, in computer forensics for a year. Many LE offices only have one CFE and some have none (they contract the work out). The field is so new, especially the part about testifying in court as to their reports.

Sandra apologized, at the investigators post trial interview, for their mistakes. It's hard for even some of the better examiners to not make mistakes. They were looking for keywords, chloroform, etc...

Does anyone know if they analyzed the whole copy of the hard drive ? TIA.

Sandra may have apologized but that doesn't excuse that the SAO was fully aware that the 84 times was not correct and continued to use that FALSE information in a DP case where they claimed that this very piece of information was part of the MURDER WEAPON! Unexcusable IMO

 

[jrb0124]

I thought the article was wonderful and information, and blunt, particularly his summation of what happens when a DT employs a jury consultant (snip below). The last sentence gave me chills, for some reason.

"It is said that in the Casey Anthony case we should not blame the jurors. I agree - we shouldn't. That is like buying lemmings as pets and then being surprised when they act lemming like. Those jurors were preferred by the defense team for a reason and they performed as expected."

So Joe says the verdict was not guilty because the defense hand picked the jury to not include republicans, entrapeneurs, retired police officers or NRA members. :floorlaugh:

I guess ole Joe forgot that the prosecution is also an active participant in jury selection, and both sides have an equal number of strikes. If no "Joe-qualified" jurors are left after that, it simply means there are not enough proportionally in the general population (probably much to his shock )

 

[jrb0124]

Nah, it won't be a problem. There's no proof of any malicious intent, just sloppiness. Besides, it did come out in trial the other analysis showed only one hit on that site. And she was acquitted anyway.

One would think that if the 2 reports told strikingly different stories there might have been a effort to identify the reason for that?

The State was obviously aware of the discrepancy - which is why they used the faulty report which was damning and ignored the one which made sense (84 myspace accesses not 84 chloroform hits).

I doubt "sloppiness" accounts for this, especially given the critical nature of this evidence in the scheme of their circumstantial case. They were in it to win, not find the truth.

 

[GhostCrab]

"It appears the Orange County Sheriff’s Office intentionally suppressed exculpatory evidence that directly contradicted the State Attorney’s theory of premeditated murder in their attempt to have Casey convicted of First Degree Murder."
Now that both Cacheback and NetAnalysis have been updated to properly parse the Firefox 2 history file, what about those visits to the “chloroform.htm” page?

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2011...nforcement-during-casey-anthony-murder-trial/

TO THE MEMBERS OF OCSD:
I am truly sorry that I was unable to refrain from discussing this issue in a less than positive light. .......
http://www.cacheback.ca/news/news_release-20110711-1.asp

this is going to be a big problem!

Thank you for this link. I said from the start that the state's case stunk and I think we are going to start to see that bear out.

 

[linda505]

To me the fact that the State presented evidence that they knew was not true in the case of the number of times it was searched makes me doubt alot of what was presented by the experts. I have lost trust in the fact that they were presenting true evidence and not designed evidence. I still don't know if Kronk moved the skull in December with his stick or if it fell out of a bag - if either of these happened then that shoots the theory of placement of the tape because by all accounts the stickiness of the tape was gone - so how does the tape not move?? I think the jury got it right - not neccessary because Casey was innocent but because the evidence just wasn't there

 

[Nefriahaia]

Well one obvious thing that was missed in Aug is the REMAINS when RK called it in and the officer didn't look and yelled at him for wasting his time.

That RIGHT THERE is the key to the whole case, IMHO. :websleuther:

 

[beccalecca1]

Nah, it won't be a problem. There's no proof of any malicious intent, just sloppiness. Besides, it did come out in trial the other analysis showed only one hit on that site. And she was acquitted anyway.

(P.S. As a juror, one visit would be enough for me to know anything relevant, and that once is not disputed. Casey visited that site after she googled "how to make chloraform." Unless she was writing a murder novel, she was up to no good.)

Actually, wouldn't it be a big problem if the prosecution didn't share this information with the defense? I think so.

 

[beccalecca1]

And I commented to Mr. Hornsby, I'm not sure why Anthony supporters are now pretending that beyond the NG verdict, she apparently walked into the blessed river and emerged as pure as a new born babe! :banghead:

I don't think any one of us are saying all of a sudden she's an angel.

 

[beccalecca1]

Did SA use the "84 times" in the closing? I can't remember? Did they know then? Did they know before the opening? Why would they use it at all if they knew it really wasn't 84 times?

I'm pretty sure LDB made it a point a couple of times during closing. Kinda sickening if you ask me!

 

[GhostCrab]

OCSO was told June 16th and LDB was told June 16-19th and Cindy was on the stand being cross examined by her on June 23rd when LDB was pounding the 84 times, 84 times!.... Yea, they knew before the DT CIC was done.

http://www.cacheback.ca/news/news_release-20110711-1.asp

Or consider this: regardless of whether or not LDB knowingly allowed perjury, she and JA knew that the jurors could eventually be deliberating the DEATH PENALTY using false information. Pfft

 

[beccalecca1]

so if she was not guilty, they why was she afraid to testify in court and speak the truth? i am very angry at the verdict, AND angry why casey anthony is now all of a sudden murderer turned celebrity?@#$ GOD help me understand. why was she driven off in an suv and then flown off in a PRIVATE PLANE? why does she need PROTECTION when last i heard she was in jail for most likely murdering her little girl? why would publishers even pay her $$$? i know she is infamous, but to walk free from murdering a prescious little girl and then go on to profit off of caylee's death is disgusting. what is wrong with america's value and justice system? i am sick of this... i keep hoping to see some form of justice for caylee, but it seems i am more angry the more i read.

I don't blame her one bit for not testifying. Ashton made a lot of educated experts look like fools because he chose to put words into their mouths. I didn't like his style one bit, not with the plant lady and not with Spitz. What professional just laughs at the witnesses?

Also, not testifying doesn't automatically mean you're guilty. And, if she did testify, no one would believe a word she said anyways. So, what is the difference really?

 

[Sustained]

That RIGHT THERE is the key to the whole case, IMHO. :websleuther:

How do you or anyone else know except for RK and Officer Cain if they were in the exact location of Caylee's body ? RK said he saw something that looked like a skull, not an actual skull ... I've heard reports that they were 75' or more from where Caylee was actually found.

Or consider this: regardless of whether or not LDB knowingly allowed perjury, she and JA knew that the jurors could eventually be deliberating the DEATH PENALTY using false information. Pfft

Whether it was one search for chloroform or 84, FCA searched for 'how to make chloroform" on the Anthony home computer and deleted the search. I also believe there were high levels of chloroform in the trunk. Just b/c no chloroform was found in the home, doesn't mean that FCA didn't make it and either discard it before 7/15 or when she was out on bail. People forget that before Caylee disappeared, FCA was lying about a job, stealing money from everyone she could (including her own grandparents), and sleeping around. A good Mom (as everyone says she was) would have called 911 in the case of an accident. And if GA committed the murder (0% chance), do you think FCA would have given up 3 years of partying to sit in the OC jail ?

Too many people drank the FCA Kool Aid ...

 

[magnolia]

I don't blame her one bit for not testifying. Ashton made a lot of educated experts look like fools because he chose to put words into their mouths. I didn't like his style one bit, not with the plant lady and not with Spitz. What professional just laughs at the witnesses?

Also, not testifying doesn't automatically mean you're guilty. And, if she did testify, no one would believe a word she said anyways. So, what is the difference really?

BBM Yep, he is a very skilled Attorney. He did an excellent job with the expert witnesses on both sides.