For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[beccalecca1]

Dr. Furton ...........You should go back and watch the hearings when the DT were qualifying their experts for trial . Compare Dr. Vass and Dr. Furton. I thought it was obvious that Furton was far less qualified and that JA showed that Dr. Vass's 12 years of experience far exceeded anything Furton did(actually ,Furton didn't DO anything.One of his students did. ) Dr. Furton's testimony wasn't based on first hand knowledge .Did you know he was actually brought in as an expert on cadaver dogs :floorlaugh:
He's WATCHED SOME train (hands off) and read a training manuel. :crazy:
I really thought JA did a great job exposing all those tidbits.:waitasec:

I didn't see the previous hearings, mainly depos, interviews, and the trial.

Either way, Furton was testifying on a report (a tangible item) that Vass had done. So, no matter who was reading the report, it is what it is. 1/10 chemicals found in the trunk relate to human decomposition. 1/80+ chemicals found in the trunk relate to human decomposition according to the German scientist (I think it was 84 chemicals, and I believe he had been doing it longer than Vass). Those odds are pretty scary to me.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think it was more mistaken identity, not necessarily lying. The only person I would see who could possibly benefit by lying (which is usually why people lie in the first place), is George if he truly were involved.

Dr. Vass and Co. was mistaken by suggestion I'm guessing.

The only thing that I'm having a hard time swallowing is those cadaver dogs. I know it's not an exact science with them, but the dogs have never false alerted before, so why would they now. And, they're the only ones I know that wouldn't have a biased opinion. Out of all the testimony (including the experts), the dogs alerting is the only thing that had me thinking there may have been a dead body in the trunk.

I don't get the mistaken identity comment.So now George could be lying?Dr Vass probably has more first hand experience with that smell then anyone in the USA. Why would he be mistaken by some kind of suggestion? Good point about the dogs.

 

[Baznme]

Lee could have taken stuff to his house. They had a month to destroy any evidence.
I think there was chloroform in GA's favorite gas can he'd had for 20 years that "was a part of him" I think he dumped whatever was left before the cops showed up ???maybe they came and got the can on Aug 1 returned it then recollected it in Dec after Caylee's remains were found. and he was pissed! over a gas can...
moo

Wow..you lost me Gngr......what? You think GA knew about the chloroform?

 

[beccalecca1]

It was deleted specifically on 7/15 while the cops were there
No one in the home had cleared the history for 4 1/2 years!

I didn't hear when it was deleted, just that it was a VERY large file (meaning a lot of history, possibly all of the computer's history up to that point). Why didn't JA bring this up in trial? That would've definitely looked like someone was covering something up.

 

[badhorsie]

wow that is an understatement!
Just got done reading 300+ pages of GA deposition...
HE is so full of it!
he spent from July 15 into Aug following Jesse Grund! He wasn't looking for Caylee!

That man is disturbed!

WOW, I am doing exactly the same, I am now on to La's deposition.
One HUGE hinky thing that stood from GA's transcript was how keen he was to make sure that the OCSO knew that he rarely babysat Caylee alone

 

[Chablis]

It was deleted specifically on 7/15 while the cops were there
No one in the home had cleared the history for 4 1/2 years!

If there was one search, around the time her boyfriend posted that thing about chloroform....... The State did not prove she looked 89 times or whatever, in fact the 89 times didn't even come into light until the trial was already going, and it was done by some guys whose other hardware had mega flaws.

 

[MissJames]

That is truly sad. First I want to thank you for fostering those children, I hope that they could get some sort of reassurance that the world isn't a horrible place after the trauma they went through!



You're comparing truly abused children to Caylee, who showed no signs of being abused. That is what my point is. Neglectful and abusive parents are usually like that long before there is a death. They're the type that have CPS, neighbors, relatives, friends, teachers, what have you, on their backs. There is signs of stuff like that. Like you pointed out yourself, a suspicious relative came in to check on the 12 lb 3 year old (which is just completely unimaginable!). Caylee wasn't in that environment.

These children weren't "truly abused " until these actions .Most were very tiny. Is it because she's white? pretty? dresses nice?that means she couldn't abuse Caylee? Seen the picture with a bruise under Caylee's eye? The video where someone appears to be silently taunting Caylee as she sits in her high chair?
Cindy and George provided and cared for Caylee not Casey .That's why Caylee doesn't appear abused .

 

[pcrum12]

I agree but, chloroform in high levels didn't get in that trunk all by itself. Yes, I know it's been scrutinized to the fullest extent. The fact remains it was there. Chloroform reference on the computer, in the trunk and at the remains site indicates to me it's trail. It's reasonable to believe it was in the trunk before AND after Caylee's death. The duct tape was either to stop the fluids from leaking and/or to stage a kidnspping IMO shouldn't have been there at all and probably wasn't done until the next day when she backed the car into the garage, so even if it was an "accident", due to the willful act to put her in the trunk to begin with was "aggravated child abuse" I think the problem from the start was trying to prove "premeditation" via the computer searches. I don't think she expected Caylee to perish, just to sleep through "one more night", so she could have her evening with Tony, therefore, that's the only part of this that it may have deemed it an accident. IMO, the biggest mistake was not looking more closely at the trunk evidence that clearly equates to " Willfully torturing, maliciously punishing, or willfully and unlawfully caging a child". The trunk was her cage, filled with chloroform that poisoned her system to the extent of causing her little brain to shut down her ability to breathe. That being said, Even IF it WAS an accident, the definition is clear.

OR willfully and unlawfully caging a child; OR Knowingly or willfully abusing a child and in so doing causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.

If it resulted in the death of a child, most certainly leaves the aggravator as the one responsible.......unintended death or not.

BTW, IMO, Febreeze dryer sheets do not elevate chloroform to 10,000 times normal level.

"aggravated child abuse" doesn't work if it was a drowning. I believe it was a drowning accident. Casey was on the phone ALL NIGHT and up at 7:30 am? No sleep, not watching her. She drown in the pool. And I don't buy the chloroform levels. All JMO

 

[Baznme]

My opinion is that the body was in the car and the chloroform levels were normal for decomposition. JMO though.

So, Dr. Vass, from the Body Farm in Tennessee, who's been working with decomposing bodies in various stages of decomp for over 20 years is mistaken that the chloroform levels were over 10,000 times higher than a normally decomposing body?

I hardly think so.

 

[darcedarce]

I do not believe there was duct tape over her mouth and nose. It was NOT proven. I don't care what Dr G said. The media, prosecution, and all over this forum stated that as a fact. But the fact is that the tape was stuck in ONE side of her hair. It could have just been garbage already there. It could have been used to close the canvas bag. It could have been anywhere and once RK disturbed the remains by lifting the bag and "tilting" the skull, you just could not rely on that evidence. It's tainted/contaminated, period. Even without RK, this was flooded, animals were feeding and scattering. Anything could have repositioned that tape. And that super imposed little video was crazy IMO. Even it showed/ moved the tape to several locations to show that over mouth and nose wasn't the ony position the tape could have been in. JMOO

Talk about a fantasy.

 

[Chablis]

So, Dr. Vass, from the Body Farm in Tennessee, who's been working with decomposing bodies in various stages of decomp for over 20 years is mistaken that the chloroform levels were over 10,000 times higher than a normally decomposing body?

I hardly think so.

Maybe someone was over chlorinating the pool? What if Caylee soaked in the pool and all those chemicals for 40 plus minutes? How could that effect everything?

 

[beccalecca1]

I don't get the mistaken identity comment.So now George could be lying?Dr Vass probably has more first hand experience with that smell then anyone in the USA. Why would he be mistaken by some kind of suggestion? Good point about the dogs.

Not exactly sure why Vass would be mistaken by suggestion, especially knowing that the patent on the 'sniffer' wouldn't really make him a lot of money. BUT, the odds that I've pointed out above lead me to believe there wasn't a human decompositional event in that trunk (logically). On top of the chemical evidence, the lack of the blow flies lead me the same way. I don't think anyone could clean up the blow flies that should've been present in the whole car. They could try, but I'm inclined to believe that the FBI lab has better equipment to get the evidence. And, I don't believe a trunk would stop them from getting in there, especially since the towyard manager testified that when the trunk was opened at the lot, flies flew out of the trunk. And, there were maggots found in the trash bag. They got in there somehow, so why wouldn't a small blowfly?

 

[MissJames]

I didn't hear when it was deleted, just that it was a VERY large file (meaning a lot of history, possibly all of the computer's history up to that point). Why didn't JA bring this up in trial? That would've definitely looked like someone was covering something up.

It was stated when it was deleted in the trial .It was just after YM interviewed Casey and it was protected with a password .And no,it wasn't the computer's history because the family did not use FireFox (all in statements at trial) and Cindy said she never needed a password to log on. I believe it had ICA's MySpace and many other sites that really only ICA would look at or have the password to.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe someone was over chlorinating the pool? What if Caylee soaked in the pool and all those chemicals for 40 plus minutes? How could that effect everything?

Are you talking about the Anthonys pool ?

 

[beccalecca1]

These children weren't "truly abused " until these actions .Most were very tiny. Is it because she's white? pretty? dresses nice?that means she couldn't abuse Caylee? Seen the picture with a bruise under Caylee's eye? The video where someone appears to be silently taunting Caylee as she sits in her high chair?
Cindy and George provided and cared for Caylee not Casey .That's why Caylee doesn't appear abused .

There is no way a 3 yr old becomes 12 lbs over night. No way. That was behavior that was going on for a long time.

The picture with the bruise, both the state and defense agreed to the stipulation that this occurred while Caylee ran into a coffee table at Ricardo's house. There was no dispute on that.

The video of Caylee being taunted while eating breakfast, you can clearly hear Caylee say "JO JO... ", and I'm sure you know who she called that.

And, how was Cindy and George caring for Caylee when Casey had her out to her friends house? How about those over night stays to Ricardo's house? Casey obviously (to me) had to be some sort of a mother or Cindy would've taken Caylee from her in a heart beat.

 

[crucibelle]

I think she was getting it from somewhere. I have my suspicions it was one of her boyfriends. Which one was it that had the pic on his myspace? Tracy (the bodyguard) made reference to a conversation with KC regarding street drugs and chloroform was mentioned by KC.

It was Ricardo Morales that had the chloroform pic. And after seeing him on the stand, I can believe that Casey might have obtained chloroform from him. JMO.

 

[pcrum12]

Why not just take Caylee away from Cindy :waitasec:

Because then Casey would have to A) take care of her B)pay for her food,clothing,daycare,dr,etc C) find a place to live and pay for it D)Give up partying (you see ,as an event planner she would leave Caylee with Cindy and George at night and on weekends.Perfect lie to cover her "dates",right?

So here's one to ponder and I've brought this up several times. You are right she evented the event planner night and weekend job and Cindy and George babysat at night. So why did she make up the Nanny to leave WITH Caylee and keep Caylee with her during the day? I know this is not popular on this forum but you have to question why a 20 yr old single mother made up a nanny so she could leave WITH the child. Most 20 yr old single mothers I've ever come across are making up lies to Leave WITHOUT the child. Something not right in that household and this something didn't just creep up during JB's OS. It was there at the very beginning. It was included in the OCSO investigation. The FBI. It was all over the depositions. I don't understand why everyone totally discounts it. And someone else posted on here recently, I don't believe GA spent as much time alone with Caylee as CA/GA has led everyone to believe. JMOO Any thoughts? Anyone?

 

[beccalecca1]

Maybe someone was over chlorinating the pool? What if Caylee soaked in the pool and all those chemicals for 40 plus minutes? How could that effect everything?

I thought that for a while, about the Anthony pool. It disturbed me that there was chloroform in the trunk and they stated she drowned. But, the Anthony's didn't use chlorine in their pool... so that throws that theory out.

 

[Baznme]

"aggravated child abuse" doesn't work if it was a drowning. I believe it was a drowning accident. Casey was on the phone ALL NIGHT and up at 7:30 am? No sleep, not watching her. She drown in the pool. And I don't buy the chloroform levels. All JMO

I have a hard time discounting the chloroform with the computer search "how to make chloroform", the alleged convo with Tracy re: chloroform, the trace of chloroform in the Gatorade bottle, the picture on Ricardo's myspace re: chloroform. Just too much of a coincidence to discount....for me anyway.

If it was an accidental drowning, then why go into the coverup mode? Doesn't make sense.

 

[beccalecca1]

So here's one to ponder and I've brought this up several times. You are right she evented the event planner night and weekend job and Cindy and George babysat at night. So why did she make up the Nanny to leave WITH Caylee and keep Caylee with her during the day? I know this is not popular on this forum but you have to question why a 20 yr old single mother made up a nanny so she could leave WITH the child. Most 20 yr old single mothers I've ever come across are making up lies to Leave WITHOUT the child. Something not right in that household and this something didn't just creep up during JB's OS. It was there at the very beginning. It was included in the OCSO investigation. The FBI. It was all over the depositions. I don't understand why everyone totally discounts it. And someone else posted on here recently, I don't believe GA spent as much time alone with Caylee as CA/GA has led everyone to believe. JMOO Any thoughts? Anyone?

ITA! But, I'm sure you knew that... LOL!