For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Deleted member 39678]

I thought that for a while, about the Anthony pool. It disturbed me that there was chloroform in the trunk and they stated she drowned. But, the Anthony's didn't use chlorine in their pool... so that throws that theory out.

Thats why I asked which pool. Thanks.

 

[Chablis]

I have a hard time discounting the chloroform with the computer search "how to make chloroform", the alleged convo with Tracy re: chloroform, the trace of chloroform in the Gatorade bottle, the picture on Ricardo's myspace re: chloroform. Just too much of a coincidence to discount....for me anyway.

If it was an accidental drowning, then why go into the coverup mode? Doesn't make sense.

Except Chlororform can not be stored in anything other than a glass bottle, and I am pretty sure gatorade is plastic.

 

[beccalecca1]

It's kind of hard to follow the rest of your post when the first sentence is in conflict with your prior post.It was your comment about Dr. Vass being mistaken by suggestion not mine.

Yes, it was my comment, and you asked why would he be mistaken by suggestion and I'm answering that I'm not sure why. High profile case, getting evidence at his body farm to analyze for human decomposition? I haven't really theorized that completely. I don't think he was just lying on the stand because he doesn't have much to gain. I'm just not sure why he'd be mistaken because he does have a lot of experience with it. BUT, the odds don't lie, and the odds are speaking volumes to me.

 

[badhorsie]

Well, some may have been sold on the smell by power of suggestion? There are many more people involved who have had experience in human decomp who didn't smell anything. I would think everyone involved would've smelled it, not just a select few. And, if (a big IF) GA and the towyard manager truly smelled human decomposition, why didn't either one of them call the police?

I understood the manager to testify that he's had many vehicles with bodies in the car on his lot. When someone manages a lot like that, picks up a vehicle that he believes to have a dead body in it, isn't it required for him to notify the police to either find the owner or open the car up? If that isn't done, isn't that hindering an investigation? Or something like that? This manager was closely involved with LE, why wouldn't he just make a quick call to find out about the car? Or, when GA left with the car why not just mention since he was saying his daughter/granddaughter were missing, mention to LE that the car smelled like decomp? No, instead you wait until you hear the news that the child is missing and the mother is a suspect.... THEN you come clean with this information? And THEN is when LE decided to pick up the vehicle. Not before, when everyone was around the car and should've clearly smelled human decomp.

However I am reading LA's deposition ATM, where he clearly states that on the night of the 911 calls, the car smelt very unpleasant when he entered the garage.

The man in the tow yard only smelled decomp when he approached and was there when George unlocked it

 

[beccalecca1]

Except Chlororform can not be stored in anything other than a glass bottle, and I am pretty sure gatorade is plastic.

One of the FBI lab analysts (I believe) testified that the chloroform in the gatorade bottle was from cleaning solution. JB asked him how he can confirm that and he stated it was because of the smell of the fluid in the bottle.

 

[pcrum12]

Everything you said here is true. Except........the duct tape was still in the shape of the jawbone, over the mouth and the shape of the nose where they "had" been. The professionals didn't make this stuff up. It is what it is. I don't think it was what killed her. I believe in my heart it was to stage the kidnapping or to prevent fluids from leaking any more than they had already in the trunk. I do believe it was accidental but only because KC used the chloroform to sedate her and neglected to check on her child. She perished and the coverup began the next morning at the house.

Gotta see that picture! maybe I would change my mind. But only about the tape. However, this PT also lead the jury to believe there were 84 searches for chloroform vs 1. And continously stated that the tape WAS across mouth and nose instead of found with one end in the hair. So, I take it with a grain of salt I guess. Like you it could have been staged to look like kidnapping which is what I thought before the trial. The trial changed my mind on the tape.

 

[beccalecca1]

However I am reading LA's deposition ATM, where he clearly states that on the night of the 911 calls, the car smelt very unpleasant when he entered the garage.

The man in the tow yard only smelled decomp when he approached and was there when George unlocked it

I remember LA saying (I think on the stand) that the garage smelled so horrible that while talking to Casey he kept having to go back into the house to get some relief. But, the officers on scene testified they went in and out of the garage and didn't smell a thing.

That's why this case bothers me so much, who are you suppose to believe here?

 

[Boytwnmom]

so obviously there were no ongoing concerns about their business. Also, we're taking totality of the evidence. It's easy to attack each individual piece of evidence but all of it taken together points to only one person and that's how most cases which only have circunstantial evidence are proven. Without the ability of most humans ot reason on that way it would be pretty nigh impossible to ever convict anyone of anything. Perhaps that's a society others would prefer but not me.

Or, when you share a computer with every member of your family, you clear the histroy so everyone is not in your business. A very common thing.

 

[MissJames]

I am so very confused. Casey acted normal after she found her daughter dead , because she was abused,but Caylee wasn't in that kind of environment?
Casey stole from those closest to her ,her mom,grandmother and best friend, but she's just telling silly lies? So what if these were people that she knew could not afford the loss,or who actually cared for HER.She must have a good excuse for stabbing those closest to her in the back.
We'll overlook that she lies about everything,big lies and small lies. Amy was depending on moving into that house with Casey and ended up homeless.She had to stay with friends for awhile because of Casey's lies.But no matter.

Hard to see that someone who lies to everyone she knows about her life,steals and imposes on them,would be the kind of person who only thinks of herself .I guess it's a stretch to imagine she might even be a sociopath who sees people as things,as disposable,as part of whatever fantasy she chooses to live at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, it was my comment, and you asked why would he be mistaken by suggestion and I'm answering that I'm not sure why. High profile case, getting evidence at his body farm to analyze for human decomposition? I haven't really theorized that completely. I don't think he was just lying on the stand because he doesn't have much to gain. I'm just not sure why he'd be mistaken because he does have a lot of experience with it. BUT, the odds don't lie, and the odds are speaking volumes to me.

So now your saying you don't now why you made that comment? I sure hope your not playing games with me because I'm trying to see both sides of this issue.

 

[Hot Dogs]

The Gatorade bottle contained a small amount of liquid. It also contained a syringe which had a small amount of liquid within. The liquid was analyzed and found to contain testosterone, acetone, chloroform and water. The testosterone was primary and believed to be associated with the syringe as a hormone injection. The chloroform was so miniscule that it was even lower than the limit for drinking water. The chloroform was not regarded as meaningful in any way.

The liquid had an odor like a cleaning solution, yet the chemical constituents did not resemble a cleaner.

The expiration date on the Gatorade bottle was early enough that it wasn't likely to have been from the timeframe of when Caylee disappeared.

I think both the prosecution and the defense regarded this evidence as being completely unrelated to Casey or Caylee. Just more trash in the woods.

 

[Baznme]

There is no way a 3 yr old becomes 12 lbs over night. No way. That was behavior that was going on for a long time.

IMO, true.

The picture with the bruise, both the state and defense agreed to the stipulation that this occurred while Caylee ran into a coffee table at Ricardo's house. There was no dispute on that.

IMO, true.

The video of Caylee being taunted while eating breakfast, you can clearly hear Caylee say "JO JO... ", and I'm sure you know who she called that.

I must have totally missed that and I have watched that video several times. I'll go watch it again to see if I can pick it up.

And, how was Cindy and George caring for Caylee when Casey had her out to her friends house? How about those over night stays to Ricardo's house? Casey obviously (to me) had to be some sort of a mother or Cindy would've taken Caylee from her in a heart beat.

KC's relationship was for a short period of time. After him was Tony that told her his appt. was not an appropriate environment for Caylee. She wasn't there again.

My responses in red.

 

[MissJames]

OT
Just saw in the stickies a deposition of Casey with Morgan and Morgan will be July 19th!

I can go to bed happy.fftobed:

Maybe I'll pull up Cindy's ZFG depo for old time's sake :innocent:

 

[Boytwnmom]

and IMO meaningless as there is no evidence that she drowned anyway.

Maybe someone was over chlorinating the pool? What if Caylee soaked in the pool and all those chemicals for 40 plus minutes? How could that effect everything?

 

[MissJames]

There is no way a 3 yr old becomes 12 lbs over night. No way. That was behavior that was going on for a long time.

The picture with the bruise, both the state and defense agreed to the stipulation that this occurred while Caylee ran into a coffee table at Ricardo's house. There was no dispute on that.

The video of Caylee being taunted while eating breakfast, you can clearly hear Caylee say "JO JO... ", and I'm sure you know who she called that.

And, how was Cindy and George caring for Caylee when Casey had her out to her friends house? How about those over night stays to Ricardo's house? Casey obviously (to me) had to be some sort of a mother or Cindy would've taken Caylee from her in a heart beat.

You are correct about that one child.He didn't have a Cindy and George to live with.

 

[Baznme]

The Gatorade bottle contained a small amount of liquid. It also contained a syringe which had a small amount of liquid within. The liquid was analyzed and found to contain testosterone, acetone, chloroform and water. The testosterone was primary and believed to be associated with the syringe as a hormone injection. The chloroform was so miniscule that it was even lower than the limit for drinking water. The chloroform was not regarded as meaningful in any way.

The liquid had an odor like a cleaning solution, yet the chemical constituents did not resemble a cleaner.

The expiration date on the Gatorade bottle was early enough that it wasn't likely to have been from the timeframe of when Caylee disappeared.

I think both the prosecution and the defense regarded this evidence as being completely unrelated to Casey or Caylee. Just more trash in the woods.

Just for the fact that it was there, I never discounted it. Too much of a coincidence IMO. After six months, the chloroform would be miniscule. The expiration date on the bottle only tells me it was something that had been laying around and used, not a product that was purchased, drank and then used as a container. I'm just too skeptical, I guess to let any reference of chloroform slide.

 

[pcrum12]

WOW, I am doing exactly the same, I am now on to La's deposition.
One HUGE hinky thing that stood from GA's transcript was how keen he was to make sure that the OCSO knew that he rarely babysat Caylee alone

Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!!

 

[beccalecca1]

So now your saying you don't now why you made that comment? I sure hope your not playing games with me because I'm trying to see both sides of this issue.

LOL... ok.. I'm really not trying to play games with you.


In the beginning of all of this you asked about all the people that smelled human decomp, did I think it was a lie or that they were mistaken.

Then it went on to the confusion of Vass and Co. (I'm guessing you were wondering if I thought they lied or were mistaken)

Well, since the odds are pointing to me that it is far fetched to believe it was decomposition in the trunk, and I can't see Vass and Co. actually lying on the stand for a small profit (plus they're scientists and he's clearly passionate about what he's doing), it has to equate to mistaken identity (IMO). But, as far as why he'd be mistaken (what his motive behind that is), I haven't really thought long and hard about it. Perhaps its from power of suggestion, or the fact that he's getting evidence to analyze at his body farm (suspecting that everything analyzed there equates to human decomposition... he probably just assumed that no matter what he found, if any chemicals were present it would mean human decomposition to him.).

Can you understand where I'm coming from now?

 

[Hot Dogs]

Just picked up today's USA Today. Front page........2/3 of Americans polled say Casey is guilty.

I saw this figure in another thread too. I'm actually surprised that the percentage is that low.

66% think she is guilty.
33% do not think she is guilty (this could include undecideds/no opinion which is still a not guilty because they had the opportunity to vote guilty in the poll).

1 out of every 3 people do not outwardly think she is guilty.

I suspect that the percentage is higher in Florida. There may be areas in the country where the majority of people think that she is not guilty or have no opinion at all.

 

[pcrum12]

So, Dr. Vass, from the Body Farm in Tennessee, who's been working with decomposing bodies in various stages of decomp for over 20 years is mistaken that the chloroform levels were over 10,000 times higher than a normally decomposing body?

I hardly think so.

I think his opinion on the chloroform was refuted by 2 different ppl during the trial. One was the FBI guy - the best forensic lab in the country (some say the World), but I can't remember the other guys name. Oh don't get me wrong, Vass knows dead body smell. lol. I just don't buy his take on the chloroform level and wasn't it also brought out that no quantitive testing was done?