For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[beccalecca1]

Ummmm.....I don't think so.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16956173/detail.html

"I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like," Melich said. "Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff's Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition."

Ok, when I have more time (got to get ready for work), I'll have to go back to the closing statements (I know they're not evidence) to see who Baez put up there. I'm only working from memory here.

 

[pcrum12]

and IMO meaningless as there is no evidence that she drowned anyway.

There's no cause of death period so you can't rule it out either. IMO

 

[Chablis]

Just curious for people who believe the drowning theory, how do you discount Dr. G's statistic that 100% of the drowning cases she has come across have been reported? I imagine Dr. G has dealt with dozens, if not hundreds, of drownings as it is the #1 cause of death of children under 4 in Florida. So you believe that Casey is the the first person to not report an accidental death and to hide it so it looks like a murder? None of the other parents who had children that drowned came from dysfunctional families?

Because the world has never seen anyone like Casey Anthony or her coping skills and Werner Spitz actually opened the skull and found coloring consistent with drowning. Why should that be ignored. The skull should have been open and her not doing that was a major mess up. jmo

 

[megsy]

Ok, when I have more time (got to get ready for work), I'll have to go back to the closing statements (I know they're not evidence) to see who Baez put up there. I'm only working from memory here.

If you know they're not evidence why the need to refresh your memory?

That's precisely everyone's point about the jury not doing their job.

I'm not picking on you, honestly I'm not. But the defense of this verdict with unsubstantiated claims are out of control.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because the world has never seen anyone like Casey Anthony or her coping skills and Werner Spitz actually opened the skull and found coloring consistent with drowning. Why should that be ignored. The skull should have been open and her not doing that was a major mess up. jmo

Dr Spitz found something he called brain dust. He said one reason to open a skull is to look for that coloring consistent with drowning. That coloring was not found.

 

[megsy]

Because the world has never seen anyone like Casey Anthony or her coping skills and Werner Spitz actually opened the skull and found coloring consistent with drowning. Why should that be ignored. The skull should have been open and her not doing that was a major mess up. jmo

Wait, what? That is not at all my understanding of what he said. He said there was discoloration that led him to believe the skull had been moved because it decomposed on its left side (or maybe right, can't remember) which directly refuted how the skull was found (upright).

What's your belief on why the skull should have been opened? I saw no evidence whatsoever that said Dr. G violated protocol. In fact, I heard just the opposite.

 

[strach304]

Because the world has never seen anyone like Casey Anthony or her coping skills and Werner Spitz actually opened the skull and found coloring consistent with drowning. Why should that be ignored. The skull should have been open and her not doing that was a major mess up. jmo

Dr. Spitz said sometimes there is discoloration on the inside of the skull from suffocation. Not sure about the drowning. At any rate he never said he found that just that he was looking for it IIRC. JA put up witnesses to explain why it was acceptable not to open the skull as well.

 

[Baznme]

I'm sorry also . It could have been as easy as yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Because I really would like others opinions to help me understand why the jury came to their verdict. When people give up we all lose out.MOO.

Ranch, I feel the same way. The only explanation I can come up with is they were not qualified to serve.....period. They did not understand the judge's instructions nor did they ask for them to be clarified. They left their "notes" for what they were worth on their chairs. They didn't ask for them to be brought to them. They didn't ask for recorded testimony, pictures, videos or whether or not it was up to them as what sentence she may get. IMO, it's juror misconduct, but what do I know. I've seen it all within two decades to watch 2 people walk that I honestly believed murdered someone. It doesn't sit well in my gut and I don't know how to rectify it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If you know they're not evidence why the need to refresh your memory?

That's precisely everyone's point about the jury not doing their job.

I'm not picking on you, honestly I'm not. But the defense of this verdict with unsubstantiated claims are out of control.

This thread is full of theories from Baez's opening.Why not continue with his closing?

 

[Chablis]

Dr. Spitz said sometimes there is discoloration on the inside of the skull from suffocation. Not sure about the drowning. At any rate he never said he found that just that he was looking for it IIRC. JA put up witnesses to explain why it was acceptable not to open the skull as well.

Aww, my misunderstanding! I thought I heard pink was consistent with drowning. Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[pcrum12]

I'm sorry but I don't understand anything in this post. I don't want to be rude in any way at all.Can someone maybe help me understand.My question from the beginning was did anyone that smelled the human decomposition in the trunk lie about it or maybe were mistaken. Nothing complicated.

I don't think she's stating that they lied. Only mistaken or influenced. JMO

 

[wfgodot]

Hugely impressed with the work you guys have done and with the understanding and lack of rancor with which it's communicated. Feels like the Age of Enlightenment on this thread, compared to others.

 

[Boytwnmom]

in a drive by shooting either. At least that would be consistent with the manner of death which was homicide. I don't believe it is proper for the jury to speculate about that for which there is no evidence when the manner of death is homicide and a drowning is not consistent with that.

Many people, including the jurors, confuse OS with evidence. Believing in a drowning is, to me, like accepting an OS in which Jose says what really happened is a motorcyclist was going down Hopespring Dr. and accidently ran Caylee over and during the trial he shows Cindy a picture of Caylee watching a motorcycle ride by the house and Caylee near an open door that leads to the front yard and elicits testimony that Caylee loved to watch motorcycles ride by.

A case with only circumstantial evidence requires logical thinking about who and what the totality of the evidence leads to and the ability to discern fact from fantasy when someone may be trying to mislead you so as to protect a guilty party from punishment. There was no evidentiary challenge to the finding that the manner of death was homicide. In the medical examiners experience 100% of accidents/drownings are reported even when the child was clearly already deceased. For the jurors to imagine scenarios which conflict with the manner of death and for which there is no evidence is, IMO, improper.

There's no cause of death period so you can't rule it out either. IMO

 

[pcrum12]

That is NOT what the FBI guy said. He said they weren't the highest he'd ever seen but he had never tested carpet for it. And he also said he didn't expect to find ANY chloroform on that carpet.

I may be wrong but I sure think he said the chloroform levels has not anything out of the normal. I'll have to find his testimony and see IIRC.

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

Because the world has never seen anyone like Casey Anthony or her coping skills and Werner Spitz actually opened the skull and found coloring consistent with drowning. Why should that be ignored. The skull should have been open and her not doing that was a major mess up. jmo

I believe you have misinformation. Dr. Spitz did not find coloring consistent with drowning. He said there COULD be coloring that is sometimes consistent with suffocation, but it was NOT found on Caylee's skull. The state also clearly, and sufficiently rebutted the claim by Dr. Spitz that the skull should have been opened.

I also respectfully disagree that the world has never seen anyone like Casey. She is not rare, she is not unique. People lie all the time about harming and killing their children. Casey is no different, except for the fact that she got off.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ranch, I feel the same way. The only explanation I can come up with is they were not qualified to serve.....period. They did not understand the judge's instructions nor did they ask for them to be clarified. They left their "notes" for what they were worth on their chairs. They didn't ask for them to be brought to them. They didn't ask for recorded testimony, pictures, videos or whether or not it was up to them as what sentence she may get. IMO, it's juror misconduct, but what do I know. I've seen it all within two decades to watch 2 people walk that I honestly believed murdered someone. It doesn't sit well in my gut and I don't know how to rectify it.

I agree with your post. I'm of the feeling that they"deliberated" more along the the lines of 4 hours like the OJ jury did.They waited till after one more free lunch and then came in to try and make it look better.MOO.

 

[beccalecca1]

If you know they're not evidence why the need to refresh your memory?

That's precisely everyone's point about the jury not doing their job.

I'm not picking on you, honestly I'm not. But the defense of this verdict with unsubstantiated claims are out of control.

The closing arguments aren't evidence, but JB outlined the people who testified they didn't smell human decomposition, and their testimonies are evidence.

 

[Chablis]

I believe you have misinformation. Dr. Spitz did not find coloring consistent with drowning. He said there COULD be coloring that is sometimes consistent with suffocation, but it was NOT found on Caylee's skull. The state also clearly, and sufficiently rebutted the claim by Dr. Spitz that the skull should have been opened.

I also respectfully disagree that the world has never seen anyone like Casey. She is not rare, she is not unique. People lie all the time about harming and killing their children. Casey is no different, except for the fact that she got off.

If shes not rare or unique then why has this case been profiled publicly and emotionally for the last three years?

 

[pcrum12]

Ummmm.....I don't think so.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16956173/detail.html

"I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like," Melich said. "Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff's Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition."

But, and it's a big but, he didn't secure the car and immediately have it towed. Not until the next day the 17th I think. So, that created reasonable doubt in the juror's minds.

 

[pcrum12]

Just curious for people who believe the drowning theory, how do you discount Dr. G's statistic that 100% of the drowning cases she has come across have been reported? I imagine Dr. G has dealt with dozens, if not hundreds, of drownings as it is the #1 cause of death of children under 4 in Florida. So you believe that Casey is the the first person to not report an accidental death and to hide it so it looks like a murder? None of the other parents who had children that drowned came from dysfunctional families?

I think their dysfunction is way over the top. I think there were other reasons to cover up. JMOO