For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't think she's stating that they lied. Only mistaken or influenced. JMO

Then why not just say that? And who was mistaken and who was influenced? All, some?I'm just curious.Thanks.

 

[Baznme]

I don't think she's stating that they lied. Only mistaken or influenced. JMO

From my recollection, there were at least 7 that identified the smell of decomp in the Pontiac.

Y. Melich
Sgt. Allen
Dr. Vass
Simon Birch
G. Anthony
G. Bloise
J. Forgey - OCSO dog handler of Gerus and Bones

All experienced in the odor of decomp.

 

[megsy]

The closing arguments aren't evidence, but JB outlined the people who testified they didn't smell human decomposition, and their testimonies are evidence.

Yes, they are. Which the jury should have revisited instead of taking his closing statement as evidence. Because he stretched the truth in that too with regard to the decomp smell, specifically with Maria Kissh. IIRC there were others as well but I"m not 100% certain on that because I didn't go back and review their testimony (which I would have had I been a juror )

 

[JBean]

Ummmm.....I don't think so.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16956173/detail.html

"I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like," Melich said. "Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff's Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition."

I clarified the first piece of misinformation by stating that hearing the jailhouse tapes of the meeting, then hearing the LE tape of them bringing GA there, one would assume the meeting happened. I don't claim to know every piece of evidence in this case, so I would appreciate not being held up to that standard.


I'm looking for the exact names of who testified they didn't smell anything, but I can tell you one name for sure, Yuri Melich. There were others (JB's closing arguments outlined all of them) that have had experience in it but didn't smell anything.

Melich did not smell the odor when he went to the house(around 3:30 am on the 16th) and maybe that is what you are thinking of. he was told about the smell by George but he had not smelled it at that time.
We learned this at the bond hearing when Melich testified that after exhausting KC's leads he remembered that there was talk about a smell and he decided he should investigate at that time. At about 4:30pm on the 16th he had the car secured and towed to the forensics bay betrween 4:30pm and 7:30pm.

So, he did not smell it when he initially got to the home, but did smell it for the first time at the forensics bay later in the evening of the 16th.

 

[strach304]

I clarified the first piece of misinformation by stating that hearing the jailhouse tapes of the meeting, then hearing the LE tape of them bringing GA there, one would assume the meeting happened. I don't claim to know every piece of evidence in this case, so I would appreciate not being held up to that standard.


I'm looking for the exact names of who testified they didn't smell anything, but I can tell you one name for sure, Yuri Melich. There were others (JB's closing arguments outlined all of them) that have had experience in it but didn't smell anything.

Definitely not YM. He even said so at the bond hearing and that was early on.

Ok, so there was Clint, girlfriend and TL in the car. Don't know if they count because they've probably never smelled decomp.

There were a few officers that responded to the 911 call. One or two CSI people.

ETA: JB even made a smart alec remark about Yuri transferring to the canine unit since he was so sure it was decomp.

 

[megsy]

If shes not rare or unique then why has this case been profiled publicly and emotionally for the last three years?

For a variety of reasons. Here are a few that I can rattle off the top of my head:
She's white
She's pretty
She's young
the 24-hour news cycle
the sunshine law

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

If shes not rare or unique then why has this case been profiled publicly and emotionally for the last three years?

That could be a whole other topic :lol: Interesting does not mean unique. The story she created and the reality that unfolded were interesting. The access that we had to the legal documents and the process as it happened also made it interesting.

Oh, and the fact that she was pretty. And white.

 

[Baznme]

I think their dysfunction is way over the top. I think there were other reasons to cover up. JMOO

What are they and how does that have anything to do with Caylee dying? I really would like to know.

 

[Hot Dogs]

From DawnTCB...

People who confirmed they smelled a dead body or something decomposing:
1. Bloise
2. Forgey and his dog
3. Michael Vincent
4. Dr. Arpad Vass
5. Dr. Neal Haskell
6. Simon Birch
7. CA
8. GA
9. LA
10. ICA
11. Sgt Hosey
12. YM (after GA directed him to it)
13. Dr. Furton
14. Dr. Huntington
15. Dr. Wise

People who confirmed they smelled something they could not confirm as decomp but agreed it was a bad smell:
1. Katherine Sanchez
2. Rendon Fletcher
3. Adrianna Acevedo

People who were in or around the car in the time frame in question and confirmed they did not smell anything :
1. Dpty Ryan Eberlin
2. TL (with the caveat that he was not very near to the car, but if it was bad enough he should have been able to smell something, maybe)

 

[pcrum12]

Wait, what? That is not at all my understanding of what he said. He said there was discoloration that led him to believe the skull had been moved because it decomposed on its left side (or maybe right, can't remember) which directly refuted how the skull was found (upright).

What's your belief on why the skull should have been opened? I saw no evidence whatsoever that said Dr. G violated protocol. In fact, I heard just the opposite.

My take on Dr. Spitz is that he is old school so in his beliefs and teaching you open the skull. in doing so, you can get a couple or three things. One, the sediment. He said the sediment was brain dust but it wasn't tested to confirm. Could have just been dirt. More importantly and second, IIRC it was settled to suggest the skull was in a different position than what the PT and ME claim. Third, he stated that in a drowning victim there may be a discoloring on the inside of the skull near where the ears are that would be indicative of a drowning but that not all drowning victims have this. Some do some don't.

ETA: someone up thread reminded me of the discoloration being indicative of suffocation and there was no discoloration. So now I'm not sure about what I stated about the drowning. So don't want anyone claiming I'm just putting out fantasy. Off to search.

 

[megsy]

I think their dysfunction is way over the top. I think there were other reasons to cover up. JMOO

But there was not any evidence of that!

This is my point! The jury couldn't just think up possibilities out of thin air and run with them.

(What I'm thinking you're hinting at is that the molestation charges of George and/or Lee was that one of them was also harming Caylee in that manner (ugh I hate to even type that) and had reason to not want her body to be found. Am I right?)

 

[megsy]

Ok, so there was Clint, girlfriend and TL in the car. Don't know if they count because they've probably never smelled decomp.

Weren't they in the car before Caylee was seen for the last time? That could explain why they didn't smell anything!

But I"m getting paranoid that I am confusing some facts. :waitasec:

 

[beccalecca1]

Ummmm.....I don't think so.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16956173/detail.html

"I actually went into the car to smell what the smell smelled like," Melich said. "Before, just before I came into (my current position), I was a homicide detective for two years with the Orange County Sheriff's Office and in my experience, the smell that I smell inside that car was of decomposition."

Found it real quick....

Bloise testified both that he smelled human decomp, and then non human decomp depending on who was asking him.

Charity Beasley (LE that secured car for pick up) didn't smell anything

Sgt. Hosey smelled something that night, but didn't act on what he smelled even after GA talked to him.

Yuri Melich testified he didn't smell anything to be concerned of that night (7/15-7/16)

Deputy Eberland didn't smell anything

Corporal Fletcher didn't smell anything

And finally, Acevado (spelling?) didn't smell anything.

 

[megsy]

My take on Dr. Spitz is that he is old school so in his beliefs and teaching you open the skull. in doing so, you can get a couple or three things. One, the sediment. He said the sediment was brain dust but it wasn't tested to confirm. Could have just been dirt. More importantly and second, IIRC it was settled to suggest the skull was in a different position than what the PT and ME claim. Third, he stated that in a drowning victim there may be a discoloring on the inside of the skull near where the ears are that would be indicative of a drowning but that not all drowning victims have this. Some do some don't.

He does teach to open the skull. In autopsies where there is a brain inside the skull.

The saline wash the ME did (where they picked up some of this so called "brain dust") was tested and it was shown to not be organic material. Meaning NOT decomposition.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

From my recollection, there were at least 7 that identified the smell of decomp in the Pontiac.

Y. Melich
Sgt. Allen
Dr. Vass
Simon Birch
G. Anthony
G. Bloise
J. Forgey - OCSO dog handler of Gerus and Bones

All experienced in the odor of decomp.

Thank you for the list.This is why I asked the question about the smell of human decomposition.The jury had to deliberate about these people and what they thought about the smell.If they didn't then they did a poor job.I never did get a straight answer.Maybe I will now after I laid it all out. There is another reason I asked the question and I'm holding that one back for a while.

 

[Baznme]

From DawnTCB...

Boy........they don't call you "Hot Dogs" for nuthin....:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[gngr~snap]

I should clarify. Lee didn't live there. How did he know chloroform was on the computer. And deleting it makes him look like the guilty person. Innocent people don't have to hide stuff.

I also think he MAY have deleted the lap top. the police have the times so they know.
Lee testimony-

FG: Did you receive any items from Mr. L?
LA: Yes - Casey's belongings. I got a laptop, a duffel bag full of clothes, I believe a backpack as well, and just like another bag like knicknacks.
FG: ANything specific about the laptop?
LA: Yes, it was on. But it was like - a blue screen.
FG: Are you computer savvy?
LA: Yes
FG: What did that indicate to you?
LA: A virus. Something was wrong? I did attempt to reboot it. It went to that same blue screen.
FG: Did you turn computer off or just take it with you?
LA: I just turned it off and took it with me.


__________________

DS: The laptop with the blue screen... when you arrived at TL's apt., he was there for you to obtain that laptop?
LA: Yes he was.
DS: You as we sit here today cannot say that he might have been the one to cause the screen to become blue?

the timing didn't add up IIRC

 

[Hot Dogs]

Boy........they don't call you "Hot Dogs" for nuthin....:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

I remembered that Dawn had started a thread called [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6841826#post6841826"]"Who Smelled What"[/ame].

 

[Nenato5]

This thread is full of theories from Baez's opening.Why not continue with his closing?

Probably because it is obvious from the jurors who have spoken that the jury (which IMHO discussed the case before deliberations in direct violation to Judge Perry's admonishments) based their verdict SOLELY upon the Defense's fantasy opening statement.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Lee isn't so computer savvy if he thinks that only a virus can cause the Blue Screen of Death on Windows XP. Actually, a virus is the least likely explanation for that.