For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[Chablis]

I do not agree with your reasoning to support the NG verdict, but I do understand it...however, I am really at a loss here at the above statement.

seriously, you honestly believe that sitting in jail was better than living at home with her parents? For the 31 days before Cindy caught up with her, she wasn't living at home at her parents...and she would have continued to try and give Cindy the slip if the whole abandoning the car thing hadn't happened.

Casey was already in jail before they found the body. The State would have still determined this a homocide and there would still be trial, just based on how the body was found. So sitting in jail wasn't Caseys choice.

 

[cmsg2002]

Wasn't there an investigation on this $200,000 and it was founded that actually the A's got the money, not JB?

no...JB and Casey got $200,000+....the A's got $20k

 

[beccalecca1]

there was also a 9 inch piece of tape next to the skull - some feet away. The other two pieces were still around the bottom of the mandible stuck to the hair mat which settled around the jaw (mandible). One piece on each side as Ashton said in his closing argument and a third on top.

According to the autopsy report, this is what I understood:

The piece of tape, equating to 6 inches at it's longest point, went from one side of the head (attached to the hair mat) and "draped" over the mouth/nose area. I just happen to have a small measuring tape near me, 6 inches isn't that long at all.

I believe the 9 inch piece of tape isn't related to the skull since it was found so far away. Why would one piece travel so far and the rest not, and in the meantime the mandible still be held in place.

ETA: I have a 4 year old, and there's no way that the tape could be attached to the hair at neck length and still cover the nose/mouth to the point of suffocation.

 

[beccalecca1]

So the evidence is the pool, the pictures of the pool, that Caylee liked the pool....

Ok.

Again, the fact that she could get into the backyard on her own, the fact that she could climb the ladder by herself, and the fact that she would do it (did so at TL's pool).

 

[Kimberlyd125]

According to the autopsy report, this is what I understood:

The piece of tape, equating to 6 inches at it's longest point, went from one side of the head (attached to the hair mat) and "draped" over the mouth/nose area. I just happen to have a small measuring tape near me, 6 inches isn't that long at all.

I believe the 9 inch piece of tape isn't related to the skull since it was found so far away. Why would one piece travel so far and the rest not, and in the meantime the mandible still be held in place.

ETA: I have a 4 year old, and there's no way that the tape could be attached to the hair at neck length and still cover the nose/mouth to the point of suffocation.

It slid!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Again, the fact that she could get into the backyard on her own, the fact that she could climb the ladder by herself, and the fact that she would do it (did so at TL's pool).

Ok so all people in FL who have a pool and a 2-3 year old who loves pools are golden.

They can kill their child and dump the child in the woods because "evidence" says they COULD have drowned.

 

[sacrablue]

Why would it adhere itself to the hair and nothing else?

The duct tape has a rubber cement adhesive system. What is adheres to will remain for a long time. As an example metal or fiberglass will show signs of the bonding of the rubber cement for good length of time. These surfaces are not biodegradable . Hair as well takes a long time to decompose. Hair is not made of living cells.
Now if you attach duct tape to human skin and puul it off rapidly, it will probably remove a layer or two of skin. But skin is biodegradable . Skin is made of living cells. In 6 months all traces of skin will be gone from duct tape and rubber adhesive due to fungal and bacterial action.

 

[logicalgirl]

no...JB and Casey got $200,000+....the A's got $20k

Yes, and although it was sealed, JB had to produce an expense sheet to Judge Strickland to show what he spent the money on at ICA's indigency hearing.

The A's got a separate 20K from the same source for pictures and home videos.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Did she love duct tape too?
Cause that would show she COULD have put the duct tape over her own face.

 

[beccalecca1]

It slid!

Ok, so you're stating that this tape was covering her nose/mouth (not hair) and as decomposition continued, it slid into the hair and somehow became stuck to it?

I interpreted that as it was stuck to the hair by the adhesive (although it wasn't sticky really at that point, but molded with the FL heat).

 

[logicalgirl]

Ok so all people in FL who have a pool and a 2-3 year old who loves pools are golden.

They can kill their child and dump the child in the woods because "evidence" says they COULD have drowned.

Except there is no history of a child drowning in a pool accidentally that has not immediately resulted in a 911 call - ever. Until ICA claimed it of course - so I wouldn't recommend parents in Florida who hate their kids start chucking them in to the family pool and hoping for a get out of jail free card.

 

[beccalecca1]

Ok so all people in FL who have a pool and a 2-3 year old who loves pools are golden.

They can kill their child and dump the child in the woods because "evidence" says they COULD have drowned.

Yes, ignore that she could get into the pool by herself and get outdoors by herself.

Most people who have pools take ALL precautions necessary (put up a gate, use child locks on all doors, etc).

 

[beccalecca1]

The duct tape has a rubber cement adhesive system. What is adheres to will remain for a long time. As an example metal or fiberglass will show signs of the bonding of the rubber cement for good length of time. These surfaces are not biodegradable . Hair as well takes a long time to decompose. Hair is not made of living cells.
Now if you attach duct tape to human skin and puul it off rapidly, it will probably remove a layer or two of skin. But skin is biodegradable . Skin is made of living cells. In 6 months all traces of skin will be gone from duct tape and rubber adhesive due to fungal and bacterial action.

So, if ALL traces of skin (DNA I'm presuming) is gone from the duct tape, where did the unidentified DNA come from?

 

[Solace]

Again, the fact that she could get into the backyard on her own, the fact that she could climb the ladder by herself, and the fact that she would do it (did so at TL's pool).

Yeah, your right - just look at that picture that Baez showed us with Caylee standing at the glass door with her left arm up - it sure is clear to me that she opened that door - and slid it perfectly on its tracks - definitely she could open that heavy glass door. Baez sure proved that one. I don't care what Padillas assistants said about that door being mega heavy. Probably wasn't. And Caylee was almost three - that is strong enough.

And Cindy probably left the ladder up - EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT SHE DID NOT. Even though the house is pristine in every area and you could eat off the floor - she probably left it there and her memory was clouded.

 

[sacrablue]

Again, the fact that she could get into the backyard on her own, the fact that she could climb the ladder by herself, and the fact that she would do it (did so at TL's pool).

There was NO evidence that Caylee could climb the ladder by herself. If you look closely at pool ladder you will notice the first step bar on ladder was elevated a greater distance from ground then the other bars on ladder.

 

[logicalgirl]

It slid!

It slid as the facial tissue decomposed.....

 

[beccalecca1]

Except there is no history of a child drowning in a pool accidentally that has not immediately resulted in a 911 call - ever. Until ICA claimed it of course - so I wouldn't recommend parents in Florida who hate their kids start chucking them in to the family pool and hoping for a get out of jail free card.

No history that Dr. G knows of.

 

[beccalecca1]

Yeah, your right - just look at that picture that Baez showed us with Caylee standing at the glass door with her left arm up - it sure is clear to me that she opened that door - and slid it perfectly on its tracks - definitely she could open that heavy glass door. Baez sure proved that one. I don't care what Padillas assistants said about that door being mega heavy. Probably wasn't. And Caylee was almost three - that is strong enough.

And Cindy probably left the ladder up - EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT SHE DID NOT. Even though the house is pristine in every area and you could eat off the floor - she probably left it there and her memory was clouded.

Caylee could have gotten out of the crack that was opened for the dogs. That's what Tracy McLaughlin stated, the door was left open for the dogs to get outside.

 

[Solace]

So, if ALL traces of skin (DNA I'm presuming) is gone from the duct tape, where did the unidentified DNA come from?

Well, since the WOMAN who left her DNA on it at the lab testified her DNA got on there even though she was wearing gloves and all the rest, one might conclude that it happened at the lab. Possibly, maybe, could be ---

 

[sacrablue]

So, if ALL traces of skin (DNA I'm presuming) is gone from the duct tape, where did the unidentified DNA come from?

Are you speaking of the incomplete touch DNA the defense team showed up with?