For those who agree with the verdict...help me understand.

[gngr~snap]

Where can I see the neighbor's story? I'm engrossed in GA's deposition but I haven't found anything about a so-called fight. I did see where he claimed to have peeked in Casey's room and saw Caylee sleeping. Didn't recall if Casey was there or not. (wouldn't you find it odd that your granddaughter was asleep in your daughter's bed and she wasn't there?)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

It's completely whacked. And it doesn't read to me like he is trying to protect Casey at all. It seems more like he is trying to protect himself. But from what?

or better question WHO?
I have said several times and changed my mind CA was the last person seen by ANYONE outside of that lying family.
The last person is "usuallly" the first suspect!
KC had been kicked to the curb. Caylee had started staying there with CA at night without KC the 6/10,11,12,13,14 and 6/2,3,4,5,6, (I think) I totally missed that!
http://www.network54.com/Forum/624790/message/1276831465/Time+line+starting+May+4-+08
GA places Caylee there Monday morning and becomes the patsy who helped Casey.

 

[beccalecca1]

Caylee drown in the pool = accident (negligent)
Caylee thrown in the pool = homocide

The only reason the drowning theory
is even plausible is because they had a pool!
Caylee didn't drown, at least not on Monday.
---------------------------------------------
-Was Caylee with Cindy or Casey?
Did KC come back during the night and get Caylee?----------------------------------------
Sunday June 15th
This is last time GA really saw Caylee was before she took Caylee to Mt Dora. We have seen the video and employees place Caylee with Cindy. Shirley P does as well. Cindy returns from Mt Dora.
J.Dickens and Jean Couty (neighbors) hear huge fight between CA and KC. Jean Couty was washing the car and saw the fight spill out into the front yard. Couty saw KC get in the car and drive off WITHOUT Caylee. In fact,Couty didn't see Caylee at all.
Chris S saw KC at Scoops.
That night
GA says when he got home from work at 11:30 pm Caylee was asleep in KC's bed alone and KC and her car were not there.Casey Anthony case: Read transcript of George Anthony's prosecution deposition, August 5 - National Crime | Examiner.com pg146-150?
KC told a friend through a text she hadn't been "living" in the house since June 9th.

Monday June 16th
SP says CA called her that morning and told her that while they were sleeping KC took the car and the baby and they were "Gone"
KC was "gone" without Caylee at 11:30 pm per GA. Her cell still pings at the home so she wasn't far.
CA reports she only "heard" the girls sleeping through the door that morning before she went to work. She never actually saw them.
GA said Caylee was up that morning and saw CA before she left to go to work. KC got up a little later. GA sees KC and Caylee leave at 12:50pm. KC is taking Caylee and they will be staying the night at the sitters. KC has told CA about it, and she leaves.
Cell phone pings continue into late afternoon.
GA calls KC around 3:03pm .
We have a flurry of calls that go unanswered.
????
CA has reported KC "took" Caylee in the middle of the night and isn't even concerned enough to call KC back?
Between 12 midnight and 1 a.m. there was high user activity on the HP Desktop computer. Between 12 midnight and 11 a.m. there was NO activity on Caseys laptop. Casey and Tony spent most of the night talking and texting. Tony says the conversations were about boyfriend/girlfriend stuff.
3:08 a.m. Tony L. cell ph call to Caseys cell ph = 840 secs.
3:22 a.m. Caseys cell ph to Tony L. cell ph
7:30 a.m. Cindy leaves home to go to work. Prior to leaving the house, Cindy said she did not actually
7:45:51a.m. Anthony Hm ph call to Caseys cell ph
7:45:51a.m. Caseys cell ph (voice-mail retrieval)
8:46:34 a.m. Caseys cell ph to Tony L. cell ph
10:18:42 a.m. Mark H. cell ph call to Caseys cell ph
11:43:12 a.m. Caseys cell ph receives a MySpace Alert
11:47:30 a.m. Tony L. cell ph call to Caseys cell ph
11:52:51 a.m. Caseys cell ph receives a MySpace Alert
11:53:24 a.m. Caseys cell ph to Mark H. cell ph
12:41:51 p.m. Mark H. cell ph call to Caseys cell ph
12:53 p.m. Caseys cell ph to Tony L. cell ph
2:30 p.m. George leaves home to go to work @ Lexus, Winter Park, FL
2:52 p.m. Jesse G.s cell ph call to Caseys cell ph = 660 secs.
1:00 p.m. 3:00 p.m. High user activity on the HP Desktop Casey had to be there from 2:30-3:00
3:04:00 p.m. Georges cell ph call to Caseys cell ph = 26 secs.
04:00 p.m. Georges cell ph call to Caseys cell ph = 26 secs.
4:00 p.m. 11 p.m. No user activity on the HP Desktop
4:10:41 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges work ph
4:11:25 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
4:11:49 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
4:13:04 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
4:13:29 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
4:14:48 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges work ph
4:19:18 p.m. Tony L.s cell ph call to Caseys cell ph
4:19:47 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Tony L.s cell ph
4:21:32 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
4:21:56 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Jesse G.s cell ph
4:25:24 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
6:31:47 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
6:32:10 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
6:32:54 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Anthony hm ph
7:06:24 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Anthony hm ph
7:20:00 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Amy H.s cell ph
Note: Amy H. said Casey called her and mentioned that she needed to find a place to live.

6/17 Tuesday
10:13 a.m. the picture of Caylee being held by her Great Grandfather, Alex P. at the Mt. Dora Nursing
Casey made a flurry of phone calls to Cindy and George Anthonys cell phones. [NO ANSWERS]
10:52:03 a.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
12:33:17 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges work (Lexus) ph
12:34:49 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph
12:35:01 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Anthony hm ph
12:36:08 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges cell ph = 0 secs.
12:36:31 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges cell ph = 3 secs.
1:09:51 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph = 88 secs.
1:11:49 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Anthony hm ph
2:12:56 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges work (Lexus Dealership) ph = 150 secs.
2:30 p.m. Casey is at the Anthony home. She backs her car in the garage.
4:11 back in the area of Tony L.s apartment.
4:13:26 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Georges work ph = 81 secs.
Casey dropped by Chris S. parents house at approx. 5 p.m. to say, Hi. She visited for about 45 mins. 1 hr. Caylee was not with her.Casey told Chris S. her car broke down, which was why she was driving Tony L.s Black Jeep Cherokee.
6:39:01 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Cindys cell ph = 456 secs.
6:55:26 p.m. Anthony hm ph call to Caseys cell ph = 60 secs.
6:55:26 p.m. Caseys cell ph (voice-mail retrieval) = 60 secs.
6:57:42 p.m. Caseys cell ph call to Anthony hm ph = 157 secs.
ugg it's to late to think!
BUT this IS not what I remembered!
Well I got it posted so i'll come back.

Thanks for the posting!

One thing that I had a hard time dealing with was the 7:45am call from the Anthony home on 7/16. If she was in the home, why would they call her? Then right after that, she calls the voicemail. It's almost as if she wasn't there.

But, I do like that you point out the computer activity between 1pm and 3pm. Who would be using the computer if GA states she left at 12:50pm and he leaves for work at 2:30pm?

 

[gngr~snap]

Ha, ha. Yes, I know. I think we may be thinking the same way, so my question was more of a rhetorical one.

I also find retired detective Jerry Lyons statement to be pretty fascinating:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43769687/ns/local_news-west_palm_beach_fl/

Things that make you go hmmmmmm ....

They So know KC is gonna let it fly!
She has been 'gagged'no pun intended long enough. Cut the crap and try and tell someone what happened.(that we can back up with a timeline!!!)
she was a fool for falling for the script.
SO was George.
I want "proof" Caylee made it back from Mt Dora!
FAT chance of that huh?lol
The last time Lee saw her was June 5 08!
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...-lee-anthony-s-prosecution-deposition-july-30

 

[Soulmagent]

Good question that seems to bother some. The hair will stay as described as a 'matt' or clump. It tends to tangle and weave itself into a nest of hair. I am sure you have noticed how a bird nest seems to last and stay together over time well after use. Animals really have no use for hair other than to avoid it while feeding on flesh so to see hair matt in place makes perfect sense to me.

Now, why did tape keep lower jaw in place after all this feeding and decomposition? It did not appear there was any animal assault to the skull. The skul was found in a logical place as left. The tape wrapped around the head, later the skull would act as a sling of sort plus there is not much flesh in thickness on skull area. Not tight fitting as decomposition too place but holding lower jaw in place as debris collected around lower jaw and skull. A kind of cushion or support that helped along with the tape remnants.

Or it could have been used as a prop to keep an unbalanced skull from rolling over and back off from its placed position. JMO

However, there was nothing at the recovery scene that indicated any "keep away" game was being played with the remains. The dispersal pattern of the bones indicated it was placed their before decomposition and disarticulation. The foliage pattern also indicated it had long been there in the same state undisturbed. The duct tape was also too badly degraded to think it was placed their recently (even the jury foreman acknowledge this). Kronk would have to be greatest supergenius in the world in forensics, art and landscape design to have faked all that.

Again, you have to look at the TOTALITY of the evidence.

How long after death and decomposition does disarticulation occur?
If we are going to look at all the evidence, this was not addressed in court.
Also I do not understand how the root growth showed 6 months of growth when the area was flooded from aug til nov. No one explained in court either.

It would have been great to have these things cleared up by the state so the jury didnt have to question them and not be able to answer these doubt causing questions with a "wrong verdict".

 

[gngr~snap]

Or it could have been used as a prop to keep an unbalanced skull from rolling over and back off from its placed position. JMO



How long after death and decomposition does disarticulation occur?
If we are going to look at all the evidence, this was not addressed in court.
Also I do not understand how the root growth showed 6 months of growth when the area was flooded from aug til nov. No one explained in court either.

It would have been great to have these things cleared up by the state so the jury didnt have to question them and not be able to answer these doubt causing questions with a "wrong verdict".

Good question! Skeletonization could have been complete with in the 31 days. I am sure the remains disarticulated prior to the storm. There are many variables, but considering the heat and the age I'd guess by 6 wks maybe.
I'm a nurse not an ME so don't quote me!

Ya lost me with root growth! that all depends on temp moisture location and the type of plants you'd expect to see growing at a given time.
Assuming some plants would have dies in the standing water, I think new growth would be expected once the water recedes.
IMO any root growth through the vertebral columns that are spread any distance form the skull and show gnaw marks has been there over 6 weeks- without a "miissing" date or a date of death it must not be easy!
I know one thing! I do not want to ever find one!

 

[sacrablue]

Or it could have been used as a prop to keep an unbalanced skull from rolling over and back off from its placed position. JMO



How long after death and decomposition does disarticulation occur?
If we are going to look at all the evidence, this was not addressed in court.
Also I do not understand how the root growth showed 6 months of growth when the area was flooded from aug til nov. No one explained in court either.

It would have been great to have these things cleared up by the state so the jury didnt have to question them and not be able to answer these doubt causing questions with a "wrong verdict".

I can try to answer the root growth question. Are you wondering if roots could grow in a submerged environment?

 

[1Chump]

Interesting observation.

Something isn't right with him, or his reactions. I am still surprised, based on this, that the detectives didn't at least investigate him more at the time. He did claim to be the last person to see them both on that day.

IMO, as a former cop, he was instantly given the respect of a fellow officer. Usually someone being too helpful makes cops suspicious. But in this case, they made excuses for his behavior. When he was too helpful, he was a former cop doing what he was trained to do. When he did not react as a former cop, he was the grieving grandfather.

IMO, by the time LE did realize something was off, they needed him to convict Casey. They were so convinced of Casey's guilt that they could not investigate George and risk destroying his testimony at trial.

 

[1Chump]

They So know KC is gonna let it fly!
She has been 'gagged'no pun intended long enough. Cut the crap and try and tell someone what happened.(that we can back up with a timeline!!!)
she was a fool for falling for the script.
SO was George.
I want "proof" Caylee made it back from Mt Dora!FAT chance of that huh?lol
The last time Lee saw her was June 5 08!
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...-lee-anthony-s-prosecution-deposition-july-30

All my info on this case from the trial. I said it before, Cindy's testimony about her activities that night appeared to me that Caylee was already dead.

IMO, Cindy described actions you do after someone dies, not before. Who looks at videos and pictures taken that day and cries? She even said she was crying because she realized that Caylee may never see her Great Grandfather again. She was crying for Caylee not seeing him, not for herself that her Dad was dying.

 

[cluciano63]

Why wasn't the detail of all of the phone and computer activity spelled out like above post at the trial? Surely I did not miss all of that, I only missed a few short bits. The amount of activity and the number of calls from Casey trying to reach her parents is pretty astounding. Not sure what conclusions could be drawn but surely it points to something having happened, and Casey, not reaching anyone, deals with it herself.

Also am confused about the contined computer activity 1-3pm when Casey was said to be gone before 1pm by George...?

 

[beccalecca1]

I think the most frustrating thing is no one will ever really know the truth. Even if Casey, Cindy, George, or Lee wrote a tell all book, who would believe it? Well, maybe I'd believe Lee, he doesn't seem to be as big of a liar as the rest of them. I felt so bad for him crying on the stand, but then I thought "what man would be bawling at that age?? there's some deep resentment!"

 

[Chablis]

Why wasn't the detail of all of the phone and computer activity spelled out like above post at the trial? Surely I did not miss all of that, I only missed a few short bits. The amount of activity and the number of calls from Casey trying to reach her parents is pretty astounding. Not sure what conclusions could be drawn but surely it points to something having happened, and Casey, not reaching anyone, deals with it herself.

Also am confused about the contined computer activity 1-3pm when Casey was said to be gone before 1pm by George...?

And I would bet my bottom dollar that Cindy being so mad at Casey from the night before did not pick up because of that. Had she, this could have been so different.

 

[beccalecca1]

Oh, a quick question. I'm reading George's depo still, and he was going into the details on when Casey gave him the gas cans back on the 24th. He said he had gas in both cans, the smaller held a gas/oil mixture. When he got the cans back they both were empty. What would happen to your car if you put a gas/oil mixture in it?

 

[sacrablue]

Oh, a quick question. I'm reading George's depo still, and he was going into the details on when Casey gave him the gas cans back on the 24th. He said he had gas in both cans, the smaller held a gas/oil mixture. When he got the cans back they both were empty. What would happen to your car if you put a gas/oil mixture in it?

Car will still run, maybe smoke out exhaust. Just can't understand why these two kids were going to all the trouble to rip off George's gas. They were that broke they could not buy 10 bucks worth of gas at station?

 

[beccalecca1]

Car will still run, maybe smoke out exhaust. Just can't understand why these two kids were going to all the trouble to rip off George's gas. They were that broke they could not buy 10 bucks worth of gas at station?

Well, we now know Casey didn't have a job. I'm not sure who the other person you're referring to, TL? If that's who you're talking about, maybe Casey was trying to impress him and didn't want him to spend his money on her. I'm sure that he would've gotten her gas from a gas station if she needed it, he appeared to be a pretty decent guy.

 

[Hot Dogs]

If indeed it was brain dust which we don't know because it wasn't tested by Spitz, and was considered organic by the State experts, having a head lying on its side while the brain was melting away in the trunk of the car it could have left the staining. The body in 170-180 degree heat would have liquified very quickly within a couple of days.

That could have left the staining from the brain puddling there, which then dried up to brain dust. Again we do not know if indeed it was brain dust or not.

The ME described the residue as being "sandy dirt". It probably wasn't "brain dust" as Spitz had suggested.

IMO, the sandy dirt was deposited inside the skull by the sandy and dirty swamp water. This would have happened in the very late stages of decomp while laying in the water on its side - not in the trunk.

 

[beccalecca1]

The ME described the residue as being "sandy dirt". It probably wasn't "brain dust" as Spitz had suggested.

IMO, the sandy dirt was deposited inside the skull by the sandy and dirty swamp water. This would have happened in the very late stages of decomp while laying in the water on its side - not in the trunk.

I agree. Whether it was "brain dust" or just dirt from the flooding of the area, it still suggests the same. The skull was laying on one side although it was found sitting up.

 

[Just Jayla]

Why wasn't the detail of all of the phone and computer activity spelled out like above post at the trial? Surely I did not miss all of that, I only missed a few short bits. The amount of activity and the number of calls from Casey trying to reach her parents is pretty astounding. Not sure what conclusions could be drawn but surely it points to something having happened, and Casey, not reaching anyone, deals with it herself.

Also am confused about the contined computer activity 1-3pm when Casey was said to be gone before 1pm by George...?

KC was waiting for GA to leave and going back home, that's how she pulled off the pretending to work thing. Her cell pings do not show her leaving the area, with exception to a brief period on the 16th, where, IIRC, some deduced she could have gone to the Wal-Mart nearby (a "witness" said he saw her there).

 

[Just Jayla]

I agree. Whether it was "brain dust" or just dirt from the flooding of the area, it still suggests the same. The skull was laying on one side although it was found sitting up.

I never thought that it would be abnormal for the skull to have moved around with the influx and outflux of water. However, I think if RK could have been more accurate about what exactly he did to the bag/skull on 12/11, we would know if he was the one that lifted it from its side to an upright position-if it was on its side and if the debris being on the side of the interior of the skull was not from the saline wash and dry period.
While I don't believe he had anything to do with anything other than being a sleuther-who-won't-admit-it, I think he should have been more precise about how he handled the skull and Dr. G should could have been brought back to the stand to adress the saline wash.

 

[DianaElaine]

Thanks for the posting!

One thing that I had a hard time dealing with was the 7:45am call from the Anthony home on 7/16. If she was in the home, why would they call her? Then right after that, she calls the voicemail. It's almost as if she wasn't there.

But, I do like that you point out the computer activity between 1pm and 3pm. Who would be using the computer if GA states she left at 12:50pm and he leaves for work at 2:30pm?

George?

 

[Just Jayla]

Car will still run, maybe smoke out exhaust. Just can't understand why these two kids were going to all the trouble to rip off George's gas. They were that broke they could not buy 10 bucks worth of gas at station?

KC was not all that broke in the sense that she found a way to steal $400 cash from Amy, write forged checks and later (after the car was towed I'm sure), had approx. $200 in her wallet. She could've saved some or put something together, all-be-it in a criminal manner!