Found Deceased France - Émile S., 2, outside grandparent’s house, Le Vernet, Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, 8 July 2023 *arrest* #2

  • #61
Respectfully I disagree with you . 1) This was not a distance a little boy could travel in 20 minutes. 2) It was a very steep place with very bushy vegetation in July.

So, what? 30 min walk?

One of my kids was walking ~40 mins at a go by the time he was 3 (COVID lockdowns, was all we could do…)

I have no idea why people believe it is absolutely impossible Emile could do similar?

Particularly when his family were at pains (even very early on) to argue he was a strong walker.




Who was right?
 
  • #62
Have we heard anything from the family?

Is it public whether they believe he could’ve made it as far as he did on his own?
 
  • #63
Does anyone recall it was initially reported that Emile was with his grandfather who was chopping wood on his property?
It's difficult for me to believe the child just walked away sight unseen. moo
 
  • #64
Does anyone recall it was initially reported that Emile was with his grandfather who was chopping wood on his property?
It's difficult for me to believe the child just walked away sight unseen. moo

Yes, I do recall that, his grandfather was nearby.

However having had one child disappear in an instant at a museum and another in a store (ETA but both luckily found after awhile), I can also imagine it happening to someone in a village near a forest. JMO.
 
  • #65
Google translation:


This information was announced on Monday evening and commented on live on the program Touche pas à mon poste . Journalist Michel Mary, who specializes in factual reporting, explained the news. "The legionnaires, who had been called in to assist the gendarmes, discovered other bones in the same area where his skull and clothing were found," he said.

Finds in the same area​

"This is a very strong twist, a tangible element, because it will make it possible to examine the bones and see if the boy was perhaps beaten. We had seen that there was no violence to the skull before death. Is this also true of other parts of the body?" explained Gilles Verdez.
 
  • #66
Just putting this out there - here is a recent story of two little boys in Maine, ages 2 and 3, who disappeared and were found a half mile away about three hours later, in a heavily wooded area. Imagine how much ground they could have covered if they’d been missing longer. I still do think that little Emile may have been speedy and ended up further away than they felt he could have gone.

 
  • #67
Just putting this out there - here is a recent story of two little boys in Maine, ages 2 and 3, who disappeared and were found a half mile away about three hours later, in a heavily wooded area. Imagine how much ground they could have covered if they’d been missing longer. I still do think that little Emile may have been speedy and ended up further away than they felt he could have gone.


for sure I agree
 
  • #68
Does anyone recall it was initially reported that Emile was with his grandfather who was chopping wood on his property?
It's difficult for me to believe the child just walked away sight unseen. moo
As someone who stayed in a similar village, I absolutely could have disappeared at 2 or 3 while my parents/grandparents were busy cooking or gardening/chopping wood. It was kind of assumed I would stay on property and there was a fence but little kids are lively and curious. We also didn't live right next to the forest so the neighbors would have seen me.
 
  • #69
Does anyone know, has there been a "final report" as to what LE think happened to little Emile? Will there be? Has the case been closed? I tried finding answers online, withno success.
 
  • #70
Mort du petit Emile au Vernet : le rapport sera communiqué à la famille avant fin octobre, ce que l'on sait des expertises

Death of little Emile at Vernet: the report on the analyses carried out on the remains of the little boy will be communicated to the family before the end of October, what we know from the expertises: it was late September 2024. To date nothing has been revealed: no official communication .
During the summer, the magistrates requested further investigations, such as DNA records on several people, based on the professor’s first results. What this report can bring

Since the disappearance of Émile on July 8, 2023, a question is at the heart of the investigation: was there any third party intervention? If the LHML’s findings confirm the presence of DNA traces outside the family, this could completely relaunch the investigation, according to a source close to the file who has confided in BFMTV.

According to some sources contacted by La Provence, the analyses conducted by Professor Doutremepuich’s team have led to significant progress in the investigation, suggesting that new leads could emerge. DNA was extracted from the shirt of little Emile, foreign to family members. (SudOuest du 11 octobre 2024 . )

Since then, no new information has been provided by the judicial authorities .
 
  • #71
Mort du petit Emile au Vernet : le rapport sera communiqué à la famille avant fin octobre, ce que l'on sait des expertises

Death of little Emile at Vernet: the report on the analyses carried out on the remains of the little boy will be communicated to the family before the end of October, what we know from the expertises: it was late September 2024. To date nothing has been revealed: no official communication .
During the summer, the magistrates requested further investigations, such as DNA records on several people, based on the professor’s first results. What this report can bring

Since the disappearance of Émile on July 8, 2023, a question is at the heart of the investigation: was there any third party intervention? If the LHML’s findings confirm the presence of DNA traces outside the family, this could completely relaunch the investigation, according to a source close to the file who has confided in BFMTV.

According to some sources contacted by La Provence, the analyses conducted by Professor Doutremepuich’s team have led to significant progress in the investigation, suggesting that new leads could emerge. DNA was extracted from the shirt of little Emile, foreign to family members. (SudOuest du 11 octobre 2024 . )

Since then, no new information has been provided by the judicial authorities .
Thanks for this update.
 
  • #72
Two unknown human DNA traces found in the investigation of the murder of Emile.
Detectives have discovered not one, but two unknown human DNA traces in the investigation into the death of the French boy Émile. This is reported by 'RTL France'. The French boy disappeared in the summer of 2023 and his body was found in March. However, investigators remain cautious. The mystery surrounding death has not yet been solved.
A month ago it was leaked that DNA had been discovered during forensic investigation that did not belong to Émile's family. Now, according to sources from 'RTL France', it appears that it is not one but two tracks.
These two traces have only been found in very small quantities, making their usefulness in research questionable. Furthermore, it cannot be ruled out that the DNA traces come from contamination, as the bones and clothing have often been manipulated during the various stages of the investigation. The new track may therefore be important, but it is also possible that it will yield little or nothing.


Twee onbekende menselijke DNA-sporen ontdekt in onderzoek naar dood van Émile
Twee onbekende menselijke DNA-sporen ontdekt in onderzoek naar dood van Émile
 
  • #73
maintenant on a retrouvé 2 traces ADN , des traces partielles et dégradées .

For me a dog Saint-Hubert is not wrong.
 
  • #74
Two unknown human DNA traces found in the investigation of the murder of Emile.
Detectives have discovered not one, but two unknown human DNA traces in the investigation into the death of the French boy Émile. This is reported by 'RTL France'. The French boy disappeared in the summer of 2023 and his body was found in March. However, investigators remain cautious. The mystery surrounding death has not yet been solved.
A month ago it was leaked that DNA had been discovered during forensic investigation that did not belong to Émile's family. Now, according to sources from 'RTL France', it appears that it is not one but two tracks.
These two traces have only been found in very small quantities, making their usefulness in research questionable. Furthermore, it cannot be ruled out that the DNA traces come from contamination, as the bones and clothing have often been manipulated during the various stages of the investigation. The new track may therefore be important, but it is also possible that it will yield little or nothing.


Twee onbekende menselijke DNA-sporen ontdekt in onderzoek naar dood van Émile
Twee onbekende menselijke DNA-sporen ontdekt in onderzoek naar dood van Émile
if dna was on clothing; doesnt mean much to me outright as could be family friends, playmates, clothing manufacturers, etc. if dna was on skeletal remains; i cant imagine a scenario where dna on a full body would carry over and still be on the skeleton, i think its more likely this is contamination or from collection of remains. also, wasnt it reported that another walker/hiker had made contact with the skull before LE was notified?
 
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  • #75
The investigation continues, delays due to budget issues. The laboratoire de Bordeaux is working.
As you know the budget of justice in France lacks financial means, I know that in the USA you do not have this problem.
 
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  • #76
Emile was finally buried today. Rest in peace little guy.

“Rest in peace, little Émile”: More than 400 people say goodbye, 19 months after French toddler's disappearance”

The church service began at 10 a.m. and was attended by the boy’s family and 400 other guests. The area was heavily secured, with both police and dog handlers present. Among those present were dozens of anonymous guests at the Basilica of Sainte-Marie-Madeleine, the largest Gothic church in Provence.

“Rust in vrede, kleine Émile”: meer dan 400 mensen nemen afscheid, 19 maanden na verdwijning Franse peuter
 
  • #77
Emile was finally buried today. Rest in peace little guy.

“Rest in peace, little Émile”: More than 400 people say goodbye, 19 months after French toddler's disappearance”

The church service began at 10 a.m. and was attended by the boy’s family and 400 other guests. The area was heavily secured, with both police and dog handlers present. Among those present were dozens of anonymous guests at the Basilica of Sainte-Marie-Madeleine, the largest Gothic church in Provence.

“Rust in vrede, kleine Émile”: meer dan 400 mensen nemen afscheid, 19 maanden na verdwijning Franse peuter
Jeez thats a long time ;(
 
  • #78
The investigation into the death of Émile Soleil has made some progress. According to French news channel BFMTV, investigators have recovered a large flower pot. It was reportedly located next to the chapel where his remains were found. New evidence confirms that the French toddler was not alone when he died. In addition to strange DNA found on his bones, there is now also talk of a mysterious letter.
Werpt mysterieuze brief nieuw licht op dood van Émile? “Speurders hebben grote bloembak meegenomen”
Werpt mysterieuze brief nieuw licht op dood van Émile? “Speurders hebben grote bloembak meegenomen”
 
  • #79
Une "intervention humaine" dans la mort d’Émile? Lettres, auditions: comment les enquêteurs poursuivent les investigations

"Human intervention" in Émile's death? Letters, interviews: how investigators are continuing their investigations​


Gendarmes from the Marseille Research Section recently traveled far from the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence region after receiving a letter considered interesting. These are "simply verifications," according to the Aix-en-Provence prosecutor's office. Investigators no longer seem to have any doubt about the involvement of a third party to explain the child's death.

For several weeks, the observation has seemed clear to the police, the magistrates, but also the civil parties: little Émile Soleil could not have disappeared alone in the hamlet of Haut-Vernet (Alpes-de-Haute-Provence).

"There's almost no doubt about the perpetrator. Did he intentionally or unintentionally harm the child? It's impossible to say at this point. But the possibility of human intervention is now highly probable," a source at the heart of the case told BFM DICI.

Isolated foreign DNA

Investigators continue to work, day and night, without any conclusive results, for the moment, that would finally allow them to solve the mystery surrounding the child's disappearance and death. Nearly a year after the discovery of Émile's bones in a clearing in Le Vernet (Alpes-de-Haute-Provence), the fifteen investigators from the Marseille Research Section (SR) are not giving up.

Supported by seasoned military personnel from the gendarmerie companies of Digne-les-Bains and Forcalquier, they comb through, consult, listen to, watch, and analyze hundreds of data points in order to uncover the truth. They rely on expert biological and forensic reports.

These were provided primarily by the National Gendarmerie's Criminal Research Institute (IRCGN), the National Gendarmerie's in-house laboratory. They also draw on the work of Professor Christian Doutremepuich's private laboratory, which was seized again earlier this year. It was this Bordeaux laboratory that successfully isolated at least one DNA sample unrelated to that of Émile's family during the analysis of the child's bones and clothing last summer.

An intriguing letter

While they regularly read and use these biologists' reports, the investigators in the Marseille research section don't forget the other letters and envelopes piling up on their desks. This desk has been relocated for 20 months to the Digne-les-Bains company and, more recently, to the gendarmerie squadron.

Dozens, even hundreds of letters, often anonymous, have been received since the little boy's disappearance. All of these letters are read carefully. Sometimes, some arouse the curiosity of the police.

This was the case at the end of February. The details written on a piece of paper prompted investigators that day to reread every word of every sentence several times. Then, during the first week of March, gendarmes traveled to the Tours region and around Paris, BFM DICI learned from concordant sources. This was not confirmed by the main parties involved, nor by the Aix-en-Provence prosecutor's office.

Do all the letters received result in field visits or hearings? No, but since the start of the case, hundreds, if not thousands, of similar actions have been carried out.

"We received 1,000 anonymous letters, and some are more interesting than others. They deserve to be checked. We find them very interesting and detailed, and we're trying to find out who's behind them, whether they're a stranger to the family or not. Where could this letter have come from, who sent it, and why? For these checks in recent days, we were perhaps looking for the author of this letter," explains a source who has been following the Émile affair for many months.

Many such letters were analyzed, including letters from mediums who thought they knew the truth. "Most of the time, these are fanciful and outlandish statements," laments a source who was able to access some of these letters. But when a piece of writing proves interesting, the Marseille SR travels or asks local units to take over throughout France.
 
  • #80
Une "intervention humaine" dans la mort d’Émile? Lettres, auditions: comment les enquêteurs poursuivent les investigations

Gendarmes from the Marseille Research Section recently traveled far from the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence region after receiving a letter considered interesting. These are "simply verifications," according to the Aix-en-Provence prosecutor's office. Investigators no longer seem to have any doubt about the involvement of a third party to explain the child's death.

For several weeks, the observation has seemed clear to the police, the magistrates, but also the civil parties: little Émile Soleil could not have disappeared alone in the hamlet of Haut-Vernet (Alpes-de-Haute-Provence).

"There's almost no doubt about the perpetrator. Did he intentionally or unintentionally harm the child? It's impossible to say at this point. But the possibility of human intervention is now highly probable," a source at the heart of the case told BFM DICI.
snipped & bolded… wow, strong language they’re using there. Thank you for posting this update!
 

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