France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #1

[FrostOwl]

Hi FrostOwl, IMHO it would be well worth the while to make a list of the differences between the deserters of the 1960 and 1970 and the people who are now coming to Sweden.
Also of the differences - if indeed there are any - between the US army and IS.

One big difference would be that those who didn't want to join the U.S. army didn't risk to be shot immediately when refusing, while the ISIS (and probably the Syrian army) wouldn't have any qualms to liquidate unwilling men. Look at these Death Toll numbers, most of them are civilian, I wonder how many have been executed for not wanting to join the war: http://www.iamsyria.org/daily-death-toll.html

 

[gia2]

What the heck ? Cause of crash ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34822666

Excessive speed apparently, it was on a test run on a new line.

 

[Bohemian]

It could be worth remembering the 'cells' of organisations such as the Earth and Animal Liberation Fronts. Same modus operandi, although on a much larger scale and more brutal. A group of people who mostly don't have any ties, except ideology, come together and 'execute an operation' then split up; either to be captured, killed or suicide. Also Boston on a larger scale.

 

[FrostOwl]

Since Sweden is a neutral country, you may be able to hope that the refugees you allow in won't bomb and kill, since they have no reason to hate you. After all, what has Sweden done to anger the Muslims? Let us see if they leave you alone after you have welcomed Middle Eastern and other refugees and immigrants to your country.

Sweden will never be the same, even if no extremist terrorism is done to you. Its entire culture will be changed in the near future. If my Swedish father could come back from the grave and visit you, he would not recognize his country. For small countries to allow HUGE numbers of those with totally alien cultures and religions, even if peaceful, to overtake them in such a short time, can only cause overwhelming harm.

Maybe I see the situation for refugees differently than others, as my parents had to flee with only what they could carry twice during WWII from their part of Finland, and at the end of the war they lost their homes forever, and even if they were able to stay in their country, 10% of the population was displaced.

 

[Bohemian]

I think we have to remember that tragedies such as these happen every day in some parts of the Middle East and Africa. Radical Islamists shoot and bomb their fellow Muslims mercilessly; men, women and children alike, as evidenced by the tragedy in Lebanon last week.

This is about radicals vs moderates, not Muslims vs Westerners.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Looking through my FB newsfeed and am stunned by how many people have turned their profile pics red white & blue. Wonder if that is happening world over, lovely to see such solidarity.

 

[Hope4More]

So far, in the European countries that have accepted people in the recent wave of Middle Eastern refugees, the statistics are approximately 70% of the refugees are single young men. Normally, in past refugee crisis around the world about 80% of the people are women, children. The rest are husbands or the elderly. I heard this from a UN representative giving an interview on Fox News this morning. That sent a shiver down my spine.

Why would it send "shivers down your spine" that young single men want to stay alive?

Who do you think are the first to die when ISIL (or any of it's predecessors of the past decades) moves in and takes over?

 

[Hope4More]

I think we have to remember that tragedies such as these happen every day in some parts of the Middle East and Africa. Radical Islamists shoot and bomb their fellow Muslims; men, women and children alike, mercilessly as evidenced by the tragedy in Lebanon last week.

This is about radicals vs moderates, not Muslims vs Westerners.

Massacres happen almost routinely-- many by boys just as young or younger-- in the United States of America.

 

[HMSHood]

Social media is a great hub for all these terrorists to interact. Is there a way to track them down through their online activity? I don't think so.

I have been always talking with my friends about curbing Terrorism. I'm from India. There, terrorists attacks happen quite frequently. This reminded me of the Taj hotel attack of Mumbai in 2008.

The 2008 Mumbai Terrorist Attacks is the kind of terrorist attack I fear the most. Not nuclear, biological, or chemical. Mumbai has had many terrorist attacks in the past.

 

[SCHMAE]

[video=youtube;p96LC-EuS6I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p96LC-EuS6I[/video]


ETA Ooops, MSM Link http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/49000379-story

 

[FindHG]

AFP https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665652403019059200
Father, brother of one of Paris suicide attackers placed in custody: sources





"10:25 p.m.

"French Prime Minister Manuel Valls is vowing to "destroy" those behind the rampage across Paris that killed at least 129 people and wounded hundreds of others.

Speaking late Saturday on French television TF1, Valls declared "we are at war, and because we are at war we are taking exceptional measures."

France has put thousands of soldiers onto the streets to reinforce police and other security personal in the wake of the country's worst-ever terror attack.

Valls says "we will strike this enemy to destroy him. In France and in Europe, we'll chase the authors of this act, and also in Syria and Iraq. We will win this war.""

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2fa6...dfaca38/latest-france-mobilizes-1500-soldiers



"The journalist said he took a teenage girl who was bleeding heavily and carried her to a taxi, telling the driver to take her to hospital.

He said he saw the face of one gunman, who was probably 20 to 25 years old.

"We heard people screaming -- the hostages particularly -- and the threats from the kidnappers shouting 'Look at me!'" added another survivor, 34-year-old Charles.

Along with around 20 others, he fled to a toilet where they pushed through the ceiling and hid in the crawl space.

But Charles refuses to be cowed by the terror he experienced.

"Life goes on. We won't give in to fear. **** them!

"I'm going to a concert on Tuesday. Keep rocking!""

http://news.yahoo.com/french-witness-relates-bloodbath-packed-concert-venue-031508990.html

 

[Susza]

What the heck ? Cause of crash ?

It was a test for a new high speed railway section. 50 technicians were on board...

These are so sad days and the worse is lots of us feel so helpless.

 

[Snoopster]

[video=youtube;p96LC-EuS6I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p96LC-EuS6I[/video]


ETA Ooops, MSM Link http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/49000379-story

thank you Schmae. I came here to post this and was pleased to see that you already had.
I have tears in my eyes.

Imagine....

 

[bluesneakers]

[video=youtube;p96LC-EuS6I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p96LC-EuS6I[/video]


ETA Ooops, MSM Link http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/49000379-story

Beautiful.

I probably sound like a heartless person for saying it but I wish the people around him were giving him and the music their attention rather than focusing on getting the right picture. I'm usually not anti-technology but it was distracting and took away from the beauty of the moment.


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[bluesneakers]

thank you Schmae. I came here to post this and was pleased to see that you already had.
I have tears in my eyes.

Imagine....

Tears here too.


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[FindHG]

People rallying for solidarity with France in front of the White House, in DC.

Blood donations are still needed according to medical staff. There 19 donation stations in Paris, even with tourists rallied to donate.

Ecole Militaire is the crisis center where families of the injured, killed, and survivors will find help and counselling

(the general public can access mental health services at various hospitals)

http://www.france24.com/en/)

The weapons and explosive devices used by the three teams seem to have been similar and from a similar source in Belgium, it was reported according to authorities (not confirmed)

Greek confirm the passport holders finger prints was in their database. Registered October 3rd in Greece. (not confirmed it's the same person yet, France checking prints)

Investigator of the 3 men the Bataclan, finger guy ID'd had never been to jail, but tagged as potential threat (had an S File as potential threat previously, but was deemed just radicalizing no actions), his family members are now in custody.


France Tried to Ramp Up Defenses Ahead of Paris Attacks
Terror spree shows difficulties of containing diffuse terror threat
WSJ

"Authorities have recently been on higher alert because of what they believed to be new efforts by extremists in Syria to carry out attacks back in Europe. Those fears, French officials said, were a key reason why France decided in September to bomb Islamic State positions in Syria.

Around 440 French citizens are currently in Syria fighting with extremists there, French officials said in September, making the French among the largest contingents of foreign fighters in Syria. The decision to conduct airstrikes was fueled by intelligence reports throughout the summer that Islamic State was recruiting Europeans for training who would then be sent back to Europe.

Note: Belgium has the largest "contingent of foreign fighters in Syria""


Father, brother of one of Paris suicide attackers placed in custody: sources
AFP
26 minutes ago


The father's house is located in the small town of Romilly-sur-Seine, some 130 kilometres (80 miles) east of Paris, while his brother's is south of Paris in the Essonne region.

The brother, who is 34, contacted the police on his own initiative and was then taken into custody.

The Frenchman confirmed as one of the attackers was known to police as being close to radical Islam but had never been linked to a terrorism enquiry, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said earlier Saturday.

He was identified via a severed fingertip.


In a somber, off-kilter Paris, mass murder leaves emptiness
By John Leicester, AP
Nov. 14, 2015 4:32 PM EST

"I'm scared," said Patricia Martinot, a cleaner, who still mustered the courage to take her dog, Dream, out for his morning walk and reported to work at dawn, traveling through unusually empty streets.

She looked battered, but not bowed.

"The TV has been on all night," Martinot said. "I haven't slept."

[...]

"I feel like we're descending back into the Middle Ages, that we're slipping back into religious war," said Combelle as he headed into the city center for band practice. "What really worries me are the political consequences and the military response that's going to lead us to war."

with more quotes from Parisians.

Music world in shock over Paris concert massacre
AFP By Anthony Lucas
1 hour ago

"Foo Fighters -- whose frontman Dave Grohl has collaborated with Eagles of Death Metal -- separately announced that the band was cutting short its world tour.

"In light of this senseless violence, the closing of borders, and international mourning, we can't continue right now. There is no other way to say it. This is crazy and it sucks," the band said in a statement."


A stunned Europe steps up security following Paris carnage
AP
Nov. 14, 2015 4:39 PM EST

In southern Germany, Bavarian finance minister Markus Soeder insisted the country needs to know who is entering and railed against cherished European borderless travel, citing the Paris attacks and the continent's migration crisis.

"The days of unchecked immigration and illegal entry can't continue," Soeder told the Welt am Sonntag weekly newspaper. "Paris changes everything."

And if Germany can't secure its borders, he said, "then Bavaria can take on this task."

 

[skibaboo]

Imagine is all we get to do

[video=youtube;4N3N1MlvVc4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4[/video]

 

[FLmom777]

For the first time in my life I am actually worried about what is to come.

 

[AliceInPain]

"We have to find out where they came from... and how they were financed," Francois Molins told reporters.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34823938

Oh really... European benefits are my guess.

 

[gregjrichards]

"I bumped into my old flame and saw him murdered by terrorists - but I was able to tell him I love him one last time: American woman who was shot in both legs and played dead to survive tells her story"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-dead-survive-tells-story.html#ixzz3rVnM1cQo

Sitting here in tears reading this my heart goes out to this lady and her former boyfriends family.