France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

[CARIIS]

What is the actual breakdown in terms of nationalities of the 7?

 

[CARIIS]

Firast reponder interview

there were 400 first responders


they started taking off their belts to stop bleeding

feels guilty did not save more

while at the same time he wanted world to know that, for the most part , those that died had not suffered...........................SKY news

 

[FindHG]

OSM/BCH Bataclan Concert hall
SA/BCH
?

BA/SA's big brother blew up on Ave Voltaire

BH stadium finger print Greece iffy docs

Those arrested in France for over all security considerations.
SA known AA grew up together same area.
AA friends with all the attackers. [Exceptionally genocidal, former drug dealer/bar tender, ring leader]
2 frnds called to collect SA in Paris.
SA called a group of friends for a ride. Car seen crossing in France at 3 am Saturday morning then crossed back 9 am into Belge Sat morning.
Electronic Comm btw AA and one of the attackers
Suspects: Belg. of 7 taken in custody this weekend in Mlnbk, 5 others were released. Among, those released was the main fugative/attacker/terrorist/'s brother.
2 were members of a terrorist group, two men in car.
Belg alert level up, upcoming soccer match with Spain cancelled for now
20 Corpses still not identified, some for lack of ID's
via Pierre Benazet, in Brussels

http://www.france24.com/en/ (paraphrased, appx)



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ackage-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

 

[CARIIS]

Explained: How long it takes Syrian refugees to enter U.S.
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/explained-how-long-it-takes-syrian-refugees-to-enter-us

While it is true that the majority of refugees seen in news reports making the dangerous journey to enter Europe by boat are male, they are not representative of the population that would be applying to enter the U.S. According to the United Nations, the majority of the total registered Syrian refugee population is either female or under 18.

An Amnesty International specialist told Politifact that women and children at risk, torture victims, and people with serious medical conditions are the top priorities for consideration by the refugee screening process. Politifact ruled that Trump's claim that the refugees are "mostly male" is false.

IMO
it is so not ok for any of us USA France Britain you know what I mean to stop letting or picking people who can live there

Here, we have plenty of "residents" who do bad things. By that I mean this like generalzed "cluster" of nationialities being blocked.

Use the trillions of bucks spent on intelgience more effectivly instead of blockking ....that is not democracy IMO , sounds like Hitler to me moo

 

[CARIIS]

France 24

Poignant tale:

A father went to Syria (did not catch date) to try and find his son. He finally did. Dad tried and tried to get his son to come back with him to France. He refused.

Well, in time (Friday to be exact) he did return - he was one of three at the concert ...........

 

[CARIIS]

TV producer in France , who had combat training saved 4....PBS people were yelling at her to help them .....

Just struck me I wonder if they planned on the 13th for a reason?? Friday? .............

 

[Tadpole12]

DW
16.11.2015
Anti-immigration group PEGIDA holds first rally since Paris attacks

"Thousands of people have gathered in the German city of Dresden for the weekly rally of "anti-Islamization" group PEGIDA. It comes as German leaders warn against using the Paris attacks to incite anti-refugee sentiment."Monday's rally by the group, whose name stands for "Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the Occident" in German, took place in front of one of Dresden's major landmarks, the Semperoper.Durchgezählt, a student research group that estimates attendance at large events, put the number of participants at between 9,000 and 12,000, comparable with PEGIDA rallies in the last three weeks. Some observers had reckoned with a larger rally following Friday's terror attacks in Paris.
In January, more than 20,000 people attended a PEGIDA demonstration following the deadly attack by Islamists on staff at the French satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo" in Paris.
A large counterdemonstration by some 1,000 protesters opposed to PEGIDA's xenophobic stance also took place.
DW's Michaela Küfner was at the scene reporting for DW News, and faced calls of "lying press" from the PEGIDA supporters."

 

[CARIIS]

CNN France has the largest population of those of the Muslim faith over 4 million.....

575,000 are in SYria now

 

[bluesneakers]

CNN France has the largest population of those of the Muslim faith over 4 million.....

575,000 are in SYria now

The largest in Europe? The largest for a non-Muslim country? Egypt has 80 million.

 

[CARIIS]

Those pictures of children and babies seeking refuge broke my heart. Thank you for that link. That photo of the Syrian refugee twins (toddlers) was especially poignant.

How anyone could look at any human, especially a child, in need and say "nope, sorry, I already helped sone guy this year" is beyond me.

Patrick Pelloux, an emergency room doctor and a former writer for Charlie Hebdo, the satirical magazine attacked by terrorists in January, was one of the first responders at the Paris attacks that took the lives of at least 127people on Friday, according to French media.
Pelloux said he spent the night working with Paris’ emergency medical services, French paper L’Express reports.

TIME

I comfort myself woth the reality that a lot of this is hot air from politicans - what happened after Jan attack - not much

What happened after Samy Hook? Batman slughter ? Nothing, couple more weeks it will all come back to money.

No country has the captial to do any of the stuff being tossed about

Next big story this will vansih just like Metro Jet vanished when this broke

Whatever is next will push this away


on and on it goes

Of course the only thing we all do is fire up our jets with bombs, makes many feel good, then the story goes away

 

[SophieRose]

France 24

Poignant tale:

A father went to Syria (did not catch date) to try and find his son. He finally did. Dad tried and tried to get his son to come back with him to France. He refused.

Well, in time (Friday to be exact) he did return - he was one of three at the concert ...........

I wouldn't call it poignant since the son was one of the gunmen at the concert.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...her-tried-extract-son-isis-syria-samy-amimour

The father of one of the gunmen who killed scores of concert-goers in Paris had tried unsuccessfully last year to bring his son back from Syria where he had joined Islamic State (Isis).

Mohamed Amimour, 67, spoke about his failed attempt to extract his son, Samy, from the control of Isis commanders, telling the French newspaper Le Monde afterwards how he had been greeted with coldness and “a distant sort of smile”.

 

[SophieRose]

The largest in Europe? The largest for a non-Muslim country? Egypt has 80 million.

Indonesia has over 200 million Muslims, larger than any other country in the world.

 

[bluesneakers]

What is the actual breakdown in terms of nationalities of the 7?

According to this five French (three of whom were living in Belgium) and one Syrian, and two unknown. Although I read somewhere else there was one Algerian.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/15/world/europe/manhunt-for-paris-attackers.html?_r=0

 

[CARIIS]

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The state of emergency measures are set out in a 1955 law and are designed to be used in “cases of imminent danger resulting from serious breaches of public order, or in case of events threatening, by their nature and gravity, public disaster”.
The measures give a number of exceptional powers to the authorities


......., including the right to set curfews, limit the movement of people and forbid mass gatherings, establish secure zones where people can be monitored and close public spaces such as theatres, bars, museums and other meeting places.

.....more powers to the security services and police,

right to conduct house searches at any time without judicial oversight, enforce house arrest and confiscate certain classes of weapons, even if people hold them legally....

....Time used before that
The last time France declared a state of emergency was during the 2005 riots in the Paris suburbs


December 1984 amid violence in New Caledonia, a French archipelago in the Pacific Ocean east of Australia.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151115-what-does-france-state-emergency-mean

 

[FindHG]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANCE_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Nov 17, 1:57 AM EST
FRANCE LAUNCHES NEW AIRSTRIKES ON RAQQA
strikes early Tuesday destroyed a command post and training camp, military

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/17/world/europe/ap-eu-france-syria.html?_r=0





Tourists venues opening again

The Square, now







Lit in Tricolors for
3 days



A park across the Bataclan this morning



La Belle Equipe this morning




http://www.france24.com/en/ livestream

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I still think France's banning of the burqa has a lot to do with why they've been so severely targeted. It's payback IMO.

 

[FindHG]

I still think France's banning of the burqa has a lot to do with why they've been so severely targeted. It's payback IMO.

I don't agree, with all due respect and though I honor your opinion. I think it's a hook in their indoctrination and separation from their national identity. It's essentially French and expected, since The Revolution, secularism is enshrined. Like a French Mecca of the mind, if you will. It's part of the French sense of individualism, the source for America's "pursuit of happiness" and sense of individuality, embodied in our Lady Liberty, as well.

 

[cottonweaver]

How much money have we spent on the TSA and how safe has it kept us? One guy tries to get on a plane with a bomb in his shoe and now ALL of us have to take off our shoes. Meanwhile the terrorists have moved on and odds are will never try another shoe bomb.

It's hard not to get cynical and discouraged, isn't it?

Linking to what you have all been saying on this point , I found this which seems to say that 6 months ago, French security services were granted sweeping new powers to monitor communications. Doubtless I am being too simplistic but it seems strange to me that these powers didn't yield better results in monitoring some of the French-based terrorists amongst them. Surely these dumb boy- murderers din't outwit them on the tech front? I ask this as here in UK we have a forthcoming bill that seeks similar powers.

June 2015 French government approved a controversial bill that gives the state sweeping new powers to spy on citizens. In response the United Nations committee for human rights warned that the surveillance powers granted to French intelligence agencies were “excessively broad”.
The Socialist government justified the bill, which allows intelligence agencies to tap phones and emails, and hack computers without permission from a judge, in the wake of terrorist attacks in Paris in January, including at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and a Jewish shop, which left 17 people dead.

It gives the country’s secret services the right to eavesdrop on the digital and mobile phone communications of anyone linked to a “terrorist” inquiry and install secret cameras and recording devices in private homes without requesting prior permission from a judge.

Intelligence agencies can also place “keylogger” devices on computers that record keystrokes in real time. Internet and phone service providers will be forced to install “black boxes” – complex algorithms – that will alert the authorities to suspicious behaviour online. The same companies will be forced to hand over information if asked....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/24/france-big-brother-surveillance-powers

 

[FindHG]

Russia: Plane brought down by homemade explosive device
AP
Nov. 17, 2015 3:59 AM EST

 

[cottonweaver]

So in the UK we are at "severe risk" of a terrorist attack and IMO there is no way, over here, that we could cope with a similar attack any better than the French security services, indeed things would be much worse.

In an earlier link I posted the number of armed police in the UK vs France. ( there are 40 times more armed officers in France than in the UK.)


This next article states very clearly that even that paltry number of armed police DO NOT have the right weapons to deal with automatic assault weapons. Whilst I am not "frightened" and it certainly will not change how I live my life, I think this is of serious concern - or should be to British posters here. And if you are a British poster who actually believes our Home Secretary when she says there aren't loads of Kalashnikovs circulating in the UK...... welll......!!!

What was striking about Paris was how effectively the well-armed French police went into action, preventing even greater carnage. Yet our officers have nothing like the same strength or weaponry.

The British police guns are no match. The two main weapons carried by the ARVs are the G-36C and the AR15 Defender, both high velocity, capable weapons, but inadequate for combating the newest breed of terrorist, since their calibre is only 5.56 millimetres and they cannot be fired automatically.
So in any head-on-confrontation with a Kalashnikov-wielding fanatic, the police officer is likely to be defeated. Experience from Afghanistan shows that, with this calibre, repeated hits are needed to put the target down – not easy with a single-shot rifle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-Police-Crime-Commissioner-KEVIN-HURLEY.html