France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #2

[passionflower]

http://www.ibtimes.com/why-do-people-join-isis-psychology-terrorist-1680444

very good read about why people join terrorist groups...................
we have these idiots homegrown here........
add more idiots, low income and someone who wants to be 'somebody'
then we will have a huge disaster in our civilization

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/politics/isis-putin-obama/


ISIS brings Putin, Obama together


Thanks, ISIS!

 

[FindHG]

Paris Attacks: Profile of Key Suspect, Abdelhamid Abaaoud
Wall Street Journal

[video=youtube;GIjX4SC6HtI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIjX4SC6HtI[/video]

 

[Momoffourboys]

**warning! Graphic***

The Paris police riot shield with 27 holes: Astonishing picture reveals horror of the siege of the Bataclan as chilling details emerge of how terrorists used hostages as human shields in front of doors and windows

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ive-minutes-police-went-in.html#ixzz3rncls16D
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[gia2]

But on the other hand, people need to see the truth because with truth, comes knowledge. Reality is important.

Oh yes, definitely I agree seeing the reality is important. I just don't think you need to see uncensored images of inside the Bataclan for example. The censored images tell a very, very graphic story as it is. I'm not sure there is any need for images beyond that very vivid image to give a sense of the reality of the situation. I think the victim accounts tell a more vivid story than photos, but maybe more visual people would disagree.

As for the video of the alley, it certainly does give you a sense of reality of what was going on during the attacks. I found it so incredibly shocking but also insightful. I suppose in this context I don't know what purpose is served by me personally seeing it (other than speaking on here and gathering information about the events).

I suppose what I'm saying is there is a point where things are so graphic I don't think you gain much more 'reality' from seeing them. You can get the idea from images that are partially censored. JMO though, I see your point

 

[Mollyandme]

I will just say that anyone minizing the threat, the anxiety or the fear of the situation. Saying we should go on about our lives and not let these attacks change who we are and how we think....has never been under a direct threat of terrorism.

Their children have never been under lockdown in kindergarten.

It is a game changer. I assure you.

It definitely is a game changer. I posted this on the thread about the Russian airliner but when I was in elementary school a plane and helicopter crashed into each other mid air and landed in the front and back schoolyard during recess in April, so we were all outside. It was not a terrorist attack but the Initial collision sounded like a bomb and seeing fireballs plummeting out of the sky, gasoline, and everything else that comes with an air disaster was certainly game changing for myself at such a young age, and for all of the parents of us kids who rushed to the scene and all of the chaos that ensued. This was in the 90's and I am still afraid of flying. I fly a decent amount but not without anxiety medicine for the flight. The fear has gotten worse since I had kids. Looking back, something horrific can happen at any time, and we shouldn't live in fear everyday, but the threat, anxiety, and fear many are feeling definitely shouldn't be minimized.

Although my experience wasn't a terrorist attack by any means, I feel it's relevant to your post. Anytime there is a plane crash in the news, I am very sensitive to it and say I'm never flying again, but I still fly however not without medication.

I also fear that ISIS could target a school at recess or something. That thought really scares me.

 

[FindHG]

‘Let's go’ text found on binned mobile phone at Bataclan
FRANCE 24

"French authorities have found a mobile phone near the Bataclan concert hall with a map of the music venue and a text message on it saying words to the effect of “let’s go,” a source with knowledge of the investigations told Reuters on Tuesday."



England vs. France soccer match more than just a game
By MARK PHILLIPS CBS NEWS
November 17, 2015, 7:10 PM

"When is a game more than a game?

When the visiting team's anthem is the theme song of the night."
...

The challenge though, is how to turn that defiance into effective international action"



Students from France react to Paris attacks
WSAW-TV
Posted: Tue 6:50 PM, Nov 17, 2015

 

[Mollyandme]

I think the difference is porous might be compromised in some way, like by counterintelligence or insiders.

Just asked my husband this and he said "concrete Intel" is exactly as it sounds, in lay mans terms, "is gonna happen or is happening" and porous is "not definite". And there are many reasons why it could be not definite like as you said.

I was hoping my husband would elaborate for me more but that's all I got before he realized I was asking to put what he says on websleuths and was then informed that I spend way too much time on here. Ugh.

 

[CARIIS]

all this CBC listening and typing so , I know I know its hard to imagine how my sppeelling and or tping can get any worse - but hold tight !

Opens with a review of terrorist activities in last couple of weeks


Oct 31 they start with plane. I will put this in ,very carefully , linked on that thread the plane. It was annocned to the world by an individual who has nothing to do with aviation , is bascially a KGB dude , who attempted to assignate a collegue.

Russias aviaation agency (counterpart to our NTSB BEA etc etc has said nothing about residue. TNT is old, the notion that it takes weeks to disocver (!) well i shall proceed !

Oct turkey 120 killed

Nov 9 Afgantisitan 7 decapated

Nov 12 Beruit 43 dead 239 injuried

Nov 13 bagdad 26 killed 61 injured

Alquada desperatly wants to get back in the headlines

The attacts we just experienced, are not, in reality that complex enough for lone wolves to do it they got some guns , basic explosives, rented a car ....

Paris

ISIS movement with tenticles

Why France - overall vulnerabilty , in terms of location in europe.

These folks not really that sophisticated - basic stuff in terms of weapons

Isis does not increased bombings for their hatred for western

What if this becomes more regularu
public increased anger - are govts going to go to detention?

In reality, after Jan France did keep up a real police prescens - and still...... it had little impact can we really make ourselves safer ,

keep in mind that France did not respond , in terms of folks going to Syria and being aloud to come up into FRance and not be detain ()around 200) not all come back terrorists but.....

we will see a lot of stuff (physical stuff military precense)
in Europe

Snowden leaks how much spying are democratic nations (public) willing to accept?

Are we in sinister twilight ?

last month is enticing to folks who want to do this

What gonna happen for envormetal conferanc in couple weeks

europe a boundarless entity- will see if EU can remain as it is

interesting to see if Canada pulls out of SYria

voclano over in middle east now , no calming down antipated in near future -

[video=youtube;2yarMjFkPAs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yarMjFkPAs[/video]

 

[FLmom777]

Yeah. I remember the knee-jerk hysteria after 9/11, too. Everything was suspicious and everyone (well, who looked a certain way) was a terrorist.

My daughter and son-in-law always arrive early when they fly because he always gets extra scrutiny. He is of native American heritage and has a very dark beard. He always makes sure to shave immediately before they leave but they still see him as somebody to check.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Anonymous 'takes down 6000 Isil Twitter accounts" - 6 mins ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...enbeek-suspects-Syria-Raqqa-bombing-live.html

Who made this claim I wonder .. Anonymous?

“We report that more than 5,500 Twitter accounts of #ISIS are now #down!” the group said in a tweet.

Anonymous said it posted the accounts to an online forum, labelling them #daeshbags in a reference to Daesh, an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State.

In addition to being responsible for the closure of Twitter accounts, the activist group has reportedly begun leaking personal information of suspected extremists.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...t/news-story/20b3bf8ba6a0e59baf2ff9935f07cdb8

Looks like it, yes. So basically what they're saying they did is post a whole list of Twitter handles onto a site and got a whole lot of people to report them, to Twitter right?

So in reality Twitter took them down.

We don't even know if those accounts were in any way related to ISIS or not, we only have the word of 'Anonymous' who fed the media.

For a group called Anonymous they sure like attention.

Here's an informed bloggers view on this latest media push: http://jesterscourt.cc/2015/11/17/p...ment-media-folks-anonymous-are-suckering-you/

Anonymous and ISIS: http://jesterscourt.cc/2015/03/21/the-isis-online-propaganda-effort-observations/

 

[bluesneakers]

Just asked my husband this and he said "concrete Intel" is exactly as it sounds, in lay mans terms, "is gonna happen or is happening" and porous is "not definite". And there are many reasons why it could be not definite like as you said.

I was hoping my husband would elaborate for me more but that's all I got before he realized I was asking to put what he says on websleuths and was then informed that I spend way too much time on here. Ugh.

Think about it like this - a concrete wall is something you can't penetrate, but if the wall is porous then something can get through. Intelligence is not always about what is going or not going to happen. There is much more information being gathered.

 

[skibaboo]

I know - I have been trying to avoid some of the videos and graphic stuff. Trying to skip past the photos of the killers too - they aren't worth the focus really.

Did you feel better after watching some of the match skibaboo? I did, it was symbolic and therapeutic in some way. Shed some tears - moving to see all those French fans.....

I do a little yes, thank you. My DH spent a while prattling on about Cameron which irritated me though. I know it wasn't about the football tonight but it also was, a draw, or a win for France would have been nice. The atmosphere was great!

 

[CARIIS]

Brennan also said the United States had “strategic warning” about the terrorist attack in Paris, but did not provide details, other than to say it was “not a surprise.”. "It was not a surprise this attack was carried out," Brennan said. "We had strategic warning. We knew that planning by ISIL was underway."

..In his remarks, Brennan said the attacks should serve as a “wake-up call” for those misrepresenting what intelligence services do to protect innocent civilians.....

he believed the attack was planned over “several months.”

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/16/citing-paris-attack-cia-director-criticizes-surveillance-reform-efforts/

....lot of handwringing over the government’s role in the effort to try to uncover these terrorists.”....

....FBI and other law enforcement officials have pressed Congress about needing to access encrypted communications of potential criminals or terrorists that are concealed by smartphones and messaging apps. Privacy advocates and technologists worry that providing authorities with exceptional access to phones would be exploited by hackers and make the Internet more vulnerable to security breaches.

opponets : U.S. spies already have intrusive surveillance capabilities that put too much power in the government’s hands.

"not a one-off "

Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Business Insider on Saturday: "The fact that an attack this big occurred suggests to me an erosion in surveillance capabilities compared to magnitude of the threat...


.."A few years ago people hoped the age of mass-casualty incidents in Western states was gone because surveillance or interruptions from authorities could prevent attacks like this," Gartenstein-Ross said. "This has put a definitive end to those hopes......

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-brennan-paris-attacks-isis-2015-11

Never knew this NBC those at the stadium were prohibited from leaving for about an hour per NBC Cant find how i got there , but a another nbc reporter, that was at the game and in the press room while recording this video stated the same thing






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[dotr]

Paris Attacks: Profile of Key Suspect, Abdelhamid Abaaoud
Wall Street Journal

[video=youtube;GIjX4SC6HtI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIjX4SC6HtI[/video]

This might sound goofy, had posted about this before and removed it for that reason, but- have to say it again now..
It seems like a number of terrorists have a weird left eyebrow, ie.the part closest to the nose missing or oddly shaped.
speculation, imo

 

[CARIIS]

Nbc

They were rehearsing , for the following nights HBO special. Rehearsal stopped they briefed, went to their hotel and were held underround until their hotel was secured. Concert cancelled

[video=youtube;LtAqm2LjLm4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtAqm2LjLm4[/video]

 

[bluesneakers]

Brennan also said the United States had “strategic warning” about the terrorist attack in Paris, but did not provide details, other than to say it was “not a surprise.”.

..In his remarks, Brennan said the attacks should serve as a “wake-up call” for those misrepresenting what intelligence services do to protect innocent civilians.....

he believed the attack was planned over “several months.”

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/16/citing-paris-attack-cia-director-criticizes-surveillance-reform-efforts/

....lot of handwringing over the government’s role in the effort to try to uncover these terrorists.”....


....FBI and other law enforcement officials have pressed Congress about needing to access encrypted communications of potential criminals or terrorists that are concealed by smartphones and messaging apps. Privacy advocates and technologists worry that providing authorities with exceptional access to phones would be exploited by hackers and make the Internet more vulnerable to security breaches.

opponets : U.S. spies already have intrusive surveillance capabilities that put too much power in the government’s hands.

Never knew this NBC those at the stadium were prohibited from leaving for about an hour per NBC Cant find how i got there , but a another nbc reporter, that was at the game and in the press room while recording this video stated the same thing



...

Were there any results from the governors' handwringing?

 

[bluesneakers]

This might sound goofy, had posted about this before and removed it for that reason, but- have to say it again now..
It seems like a number of terrorists have a weird left eyebrow, ie.the part closest to the nose missing or oddly shaped.
speculation, imo

That's funny. My mom used to say it about a certain group of people (totally unrelated to terrorists) and after she said it I noticed it more and more often. I don't think it means anything.

 

[FindHG]

The inconvenient truth: There's no easy military answer to war on ISIS
By Nick Paton Walsh, CNN
Updated 7:04 pm et with great video
Tue November 17 15

"ISIS has metastasized into something many predicted, but most prayed would never happen: a nihilistic group of militants who have both a safe haven in an anarchic land, and cells in Europe able to attack civilian targets."

But how simple is it to fashion a longer term military plan?

1. There are very few 'good guys' to back

2. The Kurds? They aren't the solution to everything.

3. Turkey is part of the problem, even though it's in NATO

4. Obama's strategy sounds tired and compromised -- but it may be the best option

5. There needs to be a local solution for what is a regional proxy war"


Another car discovered in Montmatres used by two of the brothers used, who also rented apts



These two picked up SA and dropped him off, LE said they used their own car, were stopped three times not suspected with SA. They say they're not involved, been released.


French jihadi - FabCl 5: radio voice in declaration, 2?yrs prison '12 for Iraq Syria recruiting, went there '14, linked to MM Toulouse attacker'12, O?, SGlm Church (will add details)

http://www.france24.com/en/20151118-text-found-binned-mobile-phone-bataclan-encryption-paris-attacks

 

[dotr]

That's funny. My mom used to say it about a certain group of people (totally unrelated to terrorists) and after she said it I noticed it more and more often. I don't think it means anything.

Went looking for pics to demonstrate and frankly now sick to my stomach, the images that popped up are beyond comprehension.
But wondering now after reading this article if maybe the eyebrow thing is a grooming issue. imo.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/lo...have-tried-to-avoid-being-captured-or-killed/

"What does this say about the true nature of ISIS warriors?"
March 17, 2015

“On Monday, the Iraqi army arrested 20 male Islamic State members dressed as women in the northern city of Baquba, according to spokesman Ghalib al-Jubouri.”

In pictures originally posted on Instagram, the true identities of the Islamic militants can be seen beneath the robes and veils and even the bras. Some of the men went so far as to shave their beards and shape their eyebrows."
rbbm.