France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #3

[ATasteOfHoney]

I agree with what Obama said and I agree with

I think it's important for a rich and powerful country like ours to continue helping people who need it.

The quote about smugglers bothers me because people who can afford that are either not refugees or are refugees setting themselves up to be taken advantage of. Imagine saving up a fortune to save a family member and never knowing if he or she were killed or abused or sold into slavery. If that happens, imo, it's similar to what happens to people who hand their lives over to smugglers to come to America through Mexico, or to people trying to reach North America (and Australia) by boat. They're treated horribly and often turned away anyway.

Blue---I respectfully disagree with your perspective/opinions in their entirety.

And that's cool.

 

[Momoffourboys]

This one's for Steelman!!


Russian Heavy Bombers Are Hammering Syria — and It's Practice for Bigger Fights

This week, the Russian campaign in Syria took a new turn with the first-time use of all three types of Russian heavy bombers currently in service: the Tu-22M3 Backfire, Tu-160 Blackjack, and the venerable Tu-95 Bear. Two of the three Russian (née Soviet) bombers haven't played a major role in any military campaign since the 1980s, when then-Soviet Tu-22M Backfires were blowing the crap out of Afghanistan.

 

[Mindmatters]

Now it has to go to the Senate.

Yes, you are correct. I am wondering if the House Democrats that, in many ways defied POTUS and put their a$$es on the line, had a conversation with their colleagues in the Senate before casting their votes. I can't imagine they would take such a risk in the current political climate of DC without feeling pretty sure it was not in vein but who knows. Well on second thought, I guess the other problem is whether Harry Reid is willing to bring a vote to the floor--unfortunately Mr. Reid's specialty for 8 long years now, is refusing to bring any and all bills to the floor for vote if POTUS is against them.

I guess time will reveal all.

 

[Hope4More]

ISIS certainly is threatening a lot of countries.

It will be their downfall using the Internet !!

Glory times for ISIL. They assist in planning the brutal murders and maiming of hundreds in Paris, and every moment after can feel great satisfaction that their campaign to sow fear and discord has succeeded beyond their wildest imagination.

Wow. Half of the duly elected governors (FFS) in the great United States of America are doubling down on the fear factor thousands of miles away.

Yep, feed the beast.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Russia and China entering this fight is a game changer, I feel like the calvary has arrived.

 

[cottonweaver]

From, Niuewsblad , that's a German news source ( via The Daily Telegraph)

Witness: 'They looked as though they were on drugs'
"A man who lives near the Bataclan theatre claims to have seen the terrorists shortly before they carried out the attack.

He told Niuewsblad that he saw a group of men in a Polo parking it badly, so he approached. He says he tapped on the window to tell them off, and they stared at him as if they were on drugs. A police van then drove by ignoring the bad parking.
He claims that after the explosions at Stade de France, he tried to ring the police - 80 times - to alert them to the suspect car, but he could not get through because the lines were jammed. A few minutes later, he says, they left the car and entered the Bataclan."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html

Speculating only but......
so we have witnesses now suspecting drug use, syringes, heavy cannabis use, need to get out of it before attacking,
One brother who is alleged to have run off and wandered around Paris for 8 hours before getting out to Belgium
Then we have the female, who has "never opened a Koran" and is apparently messed up for all sorts of reasons and looks like she only got involved a month ago.....
Another brother who set off his vest bomb without managing to even get into a crowded place, ie. clueless/panicked

It's really beginning to look like that link I posted a couple of days ago where ISIS was saying in US at least they would hope to suck in the dispossessed and mentally ill losers.
What do posters think?

 

[Trident]

Glory times for ISIL. They assist in planning the brutal murders and maiming of hundreds in Paris, and every moment after can feel great satisfaction that their campaign to sow fear and discord has succeeded beyond their wildest imagination.

Wow. Half of the duly elected governors (FFS) in the great United States of America are doubling down on the fear factor thousands of miles away.

Yep, feed the beast.

I see it differently. I see stand up for your state and the people who voted for you.

I wish we could have a national referendum on this issue.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

From, Niuewsblad , that's a German news source ( via The Daily Telegraph)

Witness: 'They looked as though they were on drugs'
"A man who lives near the Bataclan theatre claims to have seen the terrorists shortly before they carried out the attack.

He told Niuewsblad that he saw a group of men in a Polo parking it badly, so he approached. He says he tapped on the window to tell them off, and they stared at him as if they were on drugs. A police van then drove by ignoring the bad parking.
He claims that after the explosions at Stade de France, he tried to ring the police - 80 times - to alert them to the suspect car, but he could not get through because the lines were jammed. A few minutes later, he says, they left the car and entered the Bataclan."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html

Speculating only but......
so we have witnesses now suspecting drug use, syringes, heavy cannabis use, need to get out of it before attacking,
One brother who is alleged to have run off and wandered around Paris for 8 hours before getting out to Belgium
Then we have the female, who has "never opened a Koran" and is apparently messed up for all sorts of reasons and looks like she only got involved a month ago.....
Another brother who set off his vest bomb without managing to even get into a crowded place, ie. clueless/panicked

It's really beginning to look like that link I posted a couple of days ago where ISIS was saying in US at least they would hope to suck in the dispossessed and mentally ill losers.
What do posters think?

The US closed it's institutions for the mentally ill in the 1980's.
Our social services for the mentally ill now is severely fractured or nonexistent.

 

[dotr]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...lamic-states-worst-nightmare/article27353020/

"When a member of Islamic State wakes up screaming in the night, terrified by a nightmare, it’s not images of beheadings or rape or mass slaughter that bedevil him. No, his personal hell is Canada – a pluralistic, tolerant Western society where Muslims and people of all faiths and none are welcomed and live together in peace. For terrorists who exploit religious hatred for their own ends, that’s real horror.

Since the Paris attacks, Canada has seen incidents that undermine those values. An arsonist set fire to a mosque in Peterborough, Ont.; two ****s assaulted and robbed a Muslim woman in Toronto, apparently because she was Muslim; racist graffiti has appeared on buildings; and some Muslims have reported being verbally harassed. Some say they feel so threatened that they are afraid to walk alone, especially at night.

One imagines that the people committing these vile acts of intolerance see themselves, perversely, as patriots. In fact, they are the unwitting dupes of IS, acting according to its script. Racist attacks that marginalize Muslims become the propaganda that IS uses to advance its idea that the world is one big, global religious war."

 

[Hope4More]

From, Niuewsblad , that's a German news source ( via The Daily Telegraph)

Witness: 'They looked as though they were on drugs'
"A man who lives near the Bataclan theatre claims to have seen the terrorists shortly before they carried out the attack.

He told Niuewsblad that he saw a group of men in a Polo parking it badly, so he approached. He says he tapped on the window to tell them off, and they stared at him as if they were on drugs. A police van then drove by ignoring the bad parking.
He claims that after the explosions at Stade de France, he tried to ring the police - 80 times - to alert them to the suspect car, but he could not get through because the lines were jammed. A few minutes later, he says, they left the car and entered the Bataclan."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html

Speculating only but......
so we have witnesses now suspecting drug use, syringes, heavy cannabis use, need to get out of it before attacking,
One brother who is alleged to have run off and wandered around Paris for 8 hours before getting out to Belgium
Then we have the female, who has "never opened a Koran" and is apparently messed up for all sorts of reasons and looks like she only got involved a month ago.....
Another brother who set off his vest bomb without managing to even get into a crowded place, ie. clueless/panicked

It's really beginning to look like that link I posted a couple of days ago where ISIS was saying in US at least they would hope to suck in the dispossessed and mentally ill losers.
What do posters think?

ISIL leaders have stated explicitly who they think are most vulnerable to being exploited to join. Yes, the mentally ill and outcasts of every variety are on that list.

 

[bluesneakers]

H.R. 4038: American SAFE Act of 2015

List of Representatives and how they voted.

 

[Hope4More]

I see it differently. I see stand up for your state and the people who voted for you.

I wish we could have a national referendum on this issue.

Our states are not under attack. And personally, I am incredibly grateful our founding fathers deliberately created a system of government designed to prevent mob passions from driving public policy and law.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The problem isn't Muslims, it's ISIS and terrorism, by marginalising Syrian refugees (the people fleeing these #$&*^'s we're playing right into their hands. The more young, messed up, semi-criminal, disenfranchised Muslim men who feel like they have no future due to xenophobia, the more recruits for ISIS. Simple.

 

[Mindmatters]

I see it differently. I see stand up for your state and the people who voted for you.

I wish we could have a national referendum on this issue.

Me too Trident, this and so many other issues! Personally, I think that many politicians. and news media, are in the way of Americans having an honest, civil and open discussion about the issues we face as a citzenry. It is much needed because the truth and solutions lie with the people, not politicians and "psuedo" journalists who are self-serving hacks that have failed miserably to honestly and honorably represent the people in this country.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Our states are not under attack. And personally, I am incredibly grateful our founding fathers deliberately created a system of government designed to prevent mob passions from driving public policy and law.

And yet I wonder, who determines what is construed as "mob passions"?

 

[Mindmatters]

Our states are not under attack. And personally, I am incredibly grateful our founding fathers deliberately created a system of government designed to prevent mob passions from driving public policy and law.

BBM--Hope, I am confused by your response to the OP, could you expound more fully on what you are saying. TIA

 

[Trident]

Our states are not under attack. And personally, I am incredibly grateful our founding fathers deliberately created a system of government designed to prevent mob passions from driving public policy and law.

Our states are under attack, by the Federal Gov't forcing them to take foreigners inside their boundaries. It seems to be debatable whether or not the governors can keep out these "refugees". I don't know how it will turn out but I applaud them for trying. I also wonder if "states rights" died with the end of the Civil War. I hope not.

:cow:

 

[cottonweaver]

The US closed it's institutions for the mentally ill in the 1980's.
Our social services for the mentally ill now is severely fractured or nonexistent.

Pretty much the same as the UK

All I meant was they appear ( as in IMO FWIW) different to the profile of Al Qaeda terrorists.
I am comparing to 7/7 bombers who were "home grown" but managed to kill 52, injure 700.

It looks more badly organised ( Le Stade attempts ) and some of the perpetrators appear less politically motivated/committed. Again, IDK, just speculating.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Erdogan accuses Assad's government of buying oil from Daesh

http://www.albawaba.com/news/erdogan-accuses-assads-government-buying-oil-daesh-770714

 

[Mindmatters]

Our states are under attack, by the Federal Gov't forcing them to take foreigners inside their boundaries. It seems to be debatable whether or not the governors can keep out these "refugees". I don't know how it will turn out but I applaud them for trying. I also wonder if "states rights" died with the end of the Civil War. I hope not.

:cow:

This is what I thought you were alluding to. State rights were an essential element when creating the Constitution, and there is a very good reason for this.

I stand STAUNCHLY in support of state's rights, as well as limiting the power and scope of the Federal Government.