France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #3

[cottonweaver]

ISIL leaders have stated explicitly who they think are most vulnerable to being exploited to join. Yes, the mentally ill and outcasts of every variety are on that list.

Yes I know, I posted this morning or yesterday in relation to the make-up of the ISIS Raqqa front line, and use of cannon fodder.
Additionally ISIS had stated they had different approaches for Europe vs US attacks , the former to be committed fighter- returners, the latter to be non-fighters and the typical deluded. Only two reasons I am speculating on this before the full facts are revealed:
As it is WS and I would normally comment on a crime case and speculate about a "perpetrator", I think there is a possibility they are equally desperate over here in Europe - anyone will do, maybe the others are less willing?
Secondly, when I read the exclusive by her brother, there is no way that you could profile someone like the female bomber - she is not close to any obvious stereotype - so these are hard to track/predict.

 

[Hope4More]

And yet I wonder, who determines what is construed as "mob passions"?

Our founding fathers did. Mob passions are the strongly felt immediate sentiments of many on any issue.

Checks and balances, my friend. A House of Reps designed to respond most readily to those passions, a more sonorous and deliberative Senate intended to put the brakes on.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

The problem isn't Muslims, it's ISIS and terrorism, by marginalising Syrian refugees (the people fleeing these #$&*^'s we're playing right into their hands. The more young, messed up, semi-criminal, disenfranchised Muslim men who feel like they have no future due to xenophobia, the more recruits for ISIS. Simple.

Yes, what you presented is a simple math equation, Mrs G....so here goes it:

1 (Muslim men) + 2 (terrorists) = 3 Radicalized Muslim jihadist terrorist. Simple and with all of the integers of your statement in totu.

Any business analyst looking at that equation & risk analysis would not assign the risk (aka would not take ownership of the risk--they would walk away).

Second, for anyone who thinks that they couldn't go from bleeding heart humanitarian to staunch conservative in 60 seconds hasn't endured a terroristic catastrophe in your "backyard" yet. How do you know your philosophical ideals wouldn't change---you sure? How do you know that other's viewpoints may be more valid--you sure?

Risk analysis & critical thinking would serve the world best right now, IMHO. Be insightful.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Our founding fathers did. Mob passions are the strongly felt immediate sentiments of many on any issue.

Checks and balances, my friend. A House of Reps designed to respond most readily to those passions, a more sonorous and deliberative Senate intended to put the brakes on.

What I am objecting to is the use of "mob passions" because it is subjective, my friend.
In other words.....the Brits may have felt the American Revolutionists had "mob passion" if we want to stroll memory lane.

 

[Hope4More]

Our states are under attack, by the Federal Gov't forcing them to take foreigners inside their boundaries. It seems to be debatable whether or not the governors can keep out these "refugees". I don't know how it will turn out but I applaud them for trying. I also wonder if "states rights" died with the end of the Civil War. I hope not.

:cow:

Tried to sit on my hands but it hurt my butt.

I'm a historian, and of American political history. States rights vs. a centralized federal government. We Americans have been arguing about this since before we became our own country.

Viva tradition!

 

[Momoffourboys]

Snip

Aitboulachcen’s decision to detonate her device follows a slight shift in Isis commands. In 2010 then-leader Omar al-Baghdadi said women could not carry out suicide attacks, but his decree appeared to have been rolled back by the terror group’s later leaders, who said in October it was acceptable for a woman to blow themselves up if they were raided in their own home.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sts-first-female-suicide-bomber-a6740401.html

Who would believe...a decree to give a woman the right to blow herself up.

 

[Trident]

Our founding fathers did. Mob passions are the strongly felt immediate sentiments of many on any issue.

Checks and balances, my friend. A House of Reps designed to respond most readily to those passions, a more sonorous and deliberative Senate intended to put the brakes on.

Checks and balances, I remember those. Isn't that how we used to do things in this country? Now I believe all of that has changed and we are ruled by Executive Order. Right?

:cow:

 

[Hope4More]

What I am objecting to is the use of "mob passions" because it is subjective, my friend.
In other words.....the Brits may have felt the American Revolutionists had "mob passion" if we want to stroll memory lane.

Oh, I'm sure that's how the Brits saw it, lol.

And yes, very little isn't subjective, which I find marvelous, but understand many do not.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes, what you presented is a simple math equation, Mrs G....so here goes it:

1 (Muslim men) + 2 (terrorists) = 3 Radicalized Muslim jihadist terrorist. Simple and with all of the integers of your statement in totu.

Any business analyst looking at that equation & risk analysis would not assign the risk (aka would not take ownership of the risk--they would walk away).

Second, for anyone who thinks that they couldn't go from bleeding heart humanitarian to staunch conservative in 60 seconds hasn't endured a terroristic catastrophe in your "backyard" yet. How do you know your philosophical ideals wouldn't change---you sure? How do you know that other's viewpoints may be more valid--you sure?

Risk analysis & critical thinking would serve the world best right now, IMHO. Be insightful.

BBM: Lost someone I know in the Bali attacks actually, not that that's relevant.

I just think we're blaming the same people who are suffering the most consequences from the rise of ISIS, I think that we should put more resources into making sure we know exactly who we are letting in, as I don't want to see a refugee replaced with an extremist anymore than anyone else does, god forbid we could bring someone over to one of our countries who turns out to be a threat to us, but to punish the innocent and already victimised is not only unfair, but unjust.

 

[cottonweaver]

20 mins ago- Salah Abdeslam

Belgian media: terror alert raised after possible sighting of fugitive suspect
Reports in Belgian media claim Salah Abdeslam, the last of the suspected Paris attackers still believed to be at large, has been sighted in Brussels.
According to Het Laatste Nieuws, a Brussels newspaper, police have been warned that Abdeslam was spotted "on foot wandering the capital".
That resulted in the terror alert level being raised to four, the highest level. HLN claims that snipers are in position should Abdeslam resurface.

Again, wandering around on foot.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html

 

[leah]

Checks and balances, I remember those. Isn't that how we used to do things in this country? Now I believe all of that has changed and we are ruled by Executive Order. Right?

:cow:

I don't really think any of them will or want to work together. There isn't a high percentage of voters that think highly of Congress.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

:gaah::gaah:

20 mins ago- Salah Abdeslam



Again, wandering around on foot.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html

No worries...sleep well

 

[Hope4More]

Checks and balances, I remember those. Isn't that how we used to do things in this country? Now I believe all of that has changed and we are ruled by Executive Order. Right?

:cow:

Yay! (?) A political discussion?

There is nothing new about presidents issuing executive orders. The volume of EO's is newish and increasing, which is very much a reflection of a gridlocked deadlocked government, not of ideology.

I'm no fan of any president ruling by decree. I'm very partial to real democratic rule (small d). Like so many other things, seems to be a little bit broken down for the meanwhile.

All the more reason for us not to succumb to more fear and insanity. IMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

BBM: Lost someone I know in the Bali attacks actually, not that that's relevant.

I just think we're blaming the same people who are suffering the most consequences from the rise of ISIS, I think that we should put more resources into making sure we know exactly who we are letting in, as I don't want to see a refugee replaced with an extremist anymore than anyone else does, god forbid we could bring someone over to one of our countries who turns out to be a threat to us, but to punish the innocent and already victimised is not only unfair, but unjust.

ITA About not blaming innocents. However, some of us do not trust our government to protect us. We feel our safety is jeopardized due to time constraints and our economic situation.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes, what you presented is a simple math equation, Mrs G....so here goes it:

1 (Muslim men) + 2 (terrorists) = 3 Radicalized Muslim jihadist terrorist. Simple and with all of the integers of your statement in totu.

Any business analyst looking at that equation & risk analysis would not assign the risk (aka would not take ownership of the risk--they would walk away).

Second, for anyone who thinks that they couldn't go from bleeding heart humanitarian to staunch conservative in 60 seconds hasn't endured a terroristic catastrophe in your "backyard" yet. How do you know your philosophical ideals wouldn't change---you sure? How do you know that other's viewpoints may be more valid--you sure?

Risk analysis & critical thinking would serve the world best right now, IMHO. Be insightful.

BIB I have Honey...
but I can't agree with your 1+2 calculation. It just isn't that simple.
Just one example :That's like saying during 25 years of IRA bombings, that every Catholic I knew or met , I suspected - but I didn't.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't really think any of them will or want to work together. There isn't a high percentage of voters that think highly of Congress.

You're right. It's all a big show and I think everyone is frustrated with Congress right now, on all sides of the aisle. If they would get it together maybe something could get done. They're the ones who hold things up and then blame Obama. His veto record is low, but the Republicans and right wing media have voters convinced he's the Veto King. :facepalm:

eta: But I hope he vetoes this bill. Let his record increase by one, I'm cool with that.

 

[CARIIS]

took a break....................then oh oh I need to know what is happeningm and then I go so what you think somehtng uplifting could be on, .....and then I think I have to see if they are doing more bad things, then I think if they are, do I wat to do this again, then I think I must, then I think do I really want to do this some more, then I think , I guess I have t. Then I think ah tired. Then I think but what ........

bit ia going to.................with trepation , fear

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its pooping.......................

 

[cottonweaver]

:gaah::gaah:

No worries...sleep well

[SUB][/SUB]

Don't get what you're saying.

Are theses emojis expressing the frustration that I have pasted a Belgian news report about a key fugitive or because I have highlighted that he is wandering around on foot?

 

[Friday Fan]

Yes, what you presented is a simple math equation, Mrs G....so here goes it:

1 (Muslim men) + 2 (terrorists) = 3 Radicalized Muslim jihadist terrorist. Simple and with all of the integers of your statement in totu.

Any business analyst looking at that equation & risk analysis would not assign the risk (aka would not take ownership of the risk--they would walk away).

Second, for anyone who thinks that they couldn't go from bleeding heart humanitarian to staunch conservative in 60 seconds hasn't endured a terroristic catastrophe in your "backyard" yet. How do you know your philosophical ideals wouldn't change---you sure? How do you know that other's viewpoints may be more valid--you sure?

Risk analysis & critical thinking would serve the world best right now, IMHO. Be insightful.

So because Turkish Muslims killed my family members (genocide) that means Arab Muslims will kill the remaining family members? How is it that I am alive? This is a fact - the Arabs helped the survivors after they escaped from Turkey. Why didn't they just decide to kill Christians? The Arabs in Syria were under Turkish rule and could have gotten killed for helping them. They took a risk.

 

[Momoffourboys]

ISIS attacks in Paris, Beirut, Iraq, in the past weeks, and about two weeks ago against a Russian airliner in the Sinai are all spectacular attacks against regional countries and international powers under the guise of ISIS’s “Storm” operation.

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Thus, ISIS’s Storm is found in the group’s recent statements that, I believe, were not taken seriously by intelligence officials or analysts of ISIS. This lack of reading and analysis is tragic and cannot be repeated again. Electronic monitoring may not have picked up any traffic regarding potential attacks. It may be that ISIS is using better encrypted messaging platforms or had possibly gone back to the old way of face to face communications. Drone attacks to target ISIS leaders is not going to deter ISIS one iota.

Let’s be clear: the recent release of two ISIS messages to the world show the group’s intent. ISIS’s Russian language “Soon Very Soon” video clearly showed threats to Russia and to Europe:

These are our words
In your major cities
We will corner you.
You won’t be able to escape.
Nor spread your corruption.
You will live a life of humiliation
Only from now on.
In the hereafter,
Hellfire awaits you.

Hellfire is an important word: In connotes the end times, part of ISIS’s horrific apocalyptic outlook. The ISIS claim on the Paris attacks specifically target the UK and other countries in the same violent language including Rome.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...8/The-ISIS-Storm-and-policy-implications.html