France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #3

[Trident]

You're right. It's all a big show and I think everyone is frustrated with Congress right now, on all sides of the aisle. If they would get it together maybe something could get done. They're the ones who hold things up and then blame Obama. His veto record is low, but the Republicans and right wing media have voters convinced he's the Veto King. :facepalm:

eta: But I hope he vetoes this bill. Let his record increase by one, I'm cool with that.

In the deathless words of Ralph Kramden, "I'm the King, Alice and you're nothing".

"Okay Ralph," Alice retorts, "You're the King over nothing".

Couldn't help myself, sorry :blushing:

 

[Momoffourboys]

This is what the female suicide bomber's family said about her.


Speaking to AFP before the police raid on their home, both her mother and her brother said they recognized her voice from the recording immediately.

“It’s brainwashing,” her mother said of her daughter’s radicalization over the past six months.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, her brother said she had suddenly become radicalized about six months ago and began wearing a full-faced veil or niqab.

“She was unstable, she created her own bubble. She wasn’t looking to study religion, I have never even seen her open a Koran,” he told AFP.

A source close to the investigation said a raid was carried out at her mother’s house in Aulnay-sous-Bois, a town northeast of Paris where Boulahcen had returned to live some six months ago.

“The whole neighborhood is completely cordoned off by police. They are letting no one enter or go out,” a resident of the town told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The woman lived at the home with her mother and other siblings until about three weeks ago.

“She decided to go and live with a friend in Drancy. On Wednesday I turned on my television and learned she had killed herself,” said her brother.

Drancy is a town a short drive away from Aulnay-sous-Bois.

It has cropped up in the investigation as the home of former bus driver Samy Amimour who blew himself up at a concert hall where he and two others killed 89 people.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...home-of-suspected-female-suicide-bomber-.html

 

[Tony1902]

I'm no American poster, and I see some slight mistakes in the description of the immigrant movement in Europe, but upon the whole, Obama captures the madness of the European 'system' (or better: complete lack of system) rather well.

Anyone who makes even the slightest attempt at selecting refugees in Jordan or Turkey does a better job than Mad Merkel and the Gutmensch Germans.

Indian Red, you make me choke on my rosé (French, in homage) 'mad Merkel & Gutmensch' love it..so glad you're here in the trenches for us, as always. But where's Zwiebel Herself? I worry, I do.

 

[Trident]

Me too. Who da thunk. Happy they pizzed Russia and China. This is becoming a Global fight.

I hope not, I'm not quite ready for WWIII, need more dehydrated food stuffs.

 

[cottonweaver]

ITA About not blaming innocents. However, some of us do not trust our government to protect us. We feel our safety is jeopardized due to time constraints and our economic situation.

BIB Mom, Do you believe this part of the article I linked to before?

But such a fear is misguided because the process of relocating refugees to America is very different from the way that refugees currently arrive in Europe. Syrians flown to the US will be the most heavily vetted group of people currently allowed into the US, according to the State Department.

Each candidate is vetted first by the UN’s refugee agency, and then separately by officials from the State Department, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Defense Department. The process takes between 18 months and two years.

It's somewhat similar to the UK vetting, but we don't get the 2 departments and the FBI equivalent.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/syrian-refugees-in-america-fact-from-fiction-congress

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

BIB I have Honey...
but I can't agree with your 1+2 calculation. It just isn't that simple.
Just one example :That's like saying during 25 years of IRA bombings, that every Catholic I knew or met , I suspected - but I didn't.

Ok so here is where it differs & please humor my analogy: if it's an Irish war (Northern Irish-Brit ruled vs Southern Irish wanting sovereignty) doesn't mean that other countries had to take in the Southern Irish during the time of the IRA bombings, right? Let's just say that Peruvian government felt it was the right thing to do so they propose to take in the Southern Irish who may or may not be bombers & are of a different religious/philosophical belief but maybe the Peruvian citizens were not going along with it? Let's just say that there's been some bombings from the IRA bombers who hide amongst the nice South Irish Catholics while in Peru? Who is right & who is wrong? Take them all in & how is one to know the good from the bad? There is no scientific measure of one's heart, intentions, or philosophies. Social Structuralists would say that risk is crazy to take on. (By the way, I don't think any country took in refugees within the past 75 years during the IRA wars from either Southern or Northern Ireland).

I say the leaders of countries must reflect what the people want & yet we don't get to vote so how is it measured? By executive order? I think not.

 

[Mindmatters]

Assad is probably handing it out to them.

I wouldn't doubt this at all, he has a documented history of using chemicals to destroy his people. Revolting whose actions, along with others, have led an entire nation displaced. I know it is not PC to say this but I think he should be tried for Murder, Attempted Murder, and War Crimes against the Syrian people.

 

[Momoffourboys]

BIB Mom, Do you believe this part of the article I linked to before?

It's somewhat similar to the UK vetting, but we don't get the 2 departments and the FBI equivalent.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/19/syrian-refugees-in-america-fact-from-fiction-congress

Not for a second. We don't have the resources. IMO

 

[Bravo]

I am ashamed that Canadians have resorted to hate crime. It hit me today as I was driving across my city I have not seen any of the Muslim Community out and about last several days. Areas where I typically see them. Makes me sad. For them. They have been here for several years.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I wouldn't doubt this at all, he has a documented history of using chemicals to destroy his people. Revolting whose actions, along with others, have led an entire nation displaced. I know it is not PC to say this but I think he should be tried for Murder, Attempted Murder, and War Crimes against the Syrian people.

Agreed. Also, it appears he benefits from this big mess.
He slaughtered thousands. Displaced even more. He is a terrorist. Yet, here we are.

 

[FLmom777]

You're right. It's all a big show and I think everyone is frustrated with Congress right now, on all sides of the aisle. If they would get it together maybe something could get done. They're the ones who hold things up and then blame Obama. His veto record is low, but the Republicans and right wing media have voters convinced he's the Veto King. :facepalm:

eta: But I hope he vetoes this bill. Let his record increase by one, I'm cool with that.

My understanding is that he can't veto it due to passage by two thirds majority. I absolutely hate support of this bill is being held as being against true refugees being granted admission. All it does is require proper diligence when vetting.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

[SUB][/SUB]

Don't get what you're saying.

Are theses emojis expressing the frustration that I have pasted a Belgian news report about a key fugitive or because I have highlighted that he is wandering around on foot?

Walking around on foot... Strolling around... You know

 

[bluesneakers]

My understanding is that he can't veto it due to passage by two thirds majority. I absolutely hate support of this bill is being held as being against true refugees being granted admission. All it does is require proper diligence when vetting.

I didn't do the math. Crap.

All it requires is proper diligence - I agree.

 

[Friday Fan]

I wouldn't doubt this at all, he has a documented history of using chemicals to destroy his people. Revolting whose actions, along with others, have led an entire nation displaced. I know it is not PC to say this but I think he should be tried for Murder, Attempted Murder, and War Crimes against the Syrian people.

During the Syrian Civil War, an inquiry by the United Nations human rights chief found evidence to implicate Assad in war crimes and crimes against humanity. So what you're saying is PC.

 

[Trident]

I didn't do the math. Crap.

All it requires is proper diligence - I agree.

"On Thursday, 47 House Democrats voted in favor of a bill authored by Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas). The bill passed, 289-137, giving it just enough to overcome a threatened veto from President Barack Obama."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-just-delivered-huge-blow-193742129.html

 

[cottonweaver]

Ok so here is where it differs & please humor my analogy: if it's an Irish war (Northern Irish-Brit ruled vs Southern Irish wanting sovereignty) doesn't mean that other countries had to take in the Southern Irish during the time of the IRA bombings, right? Let's just say that Peruvian government felt it was the right thing to do so they propose to take in the Southern Irish who may or may not be bombers & are of a different religious/philosophical belief but maybe the Peruvian citizens were not going along with it? Let's just say that there's been some bombings from the IRA bombers who hide amongst the nice South Irish Catholics while in Peru? Who is right & who is wrong? Take them all in & how is one to know the good from the bad? There is no scientific measure of one's heart, intentions, or philosophies. Social Structuralists would say that risk is crazy to take on. (By the way, I don't think any country took in refugees within the past 75 years during the IRA wars from either Southern or Northern Ireland).

I say the leaders of countries must reflect what the people want & yet we don't get to vote so how is it measured? By executive order? I think not.

BIB You cannot be serious? Or is this semantics re a classification refugees?

 

[ZaZara]

TERRORISTS ALLEGEDLY PLANNED TO DETONATE 5 BOMBS IN HANNOVER

HAZ.de
http://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-...r-am-Tag-des-Laenderspiels-um-Stadion-zuenden

Hannover. The head of the terrorist group that supposedly consists of five persons would be in possession of a German passport according to information from the French secret service. Another member of the group would be known as Faiz A.
A message from the French secret service to the German security authorities shows according to information received by HAZ that the group was planning a total of five bomb attacks. Accordingly, three bombs were planned to be detonated in the stadium. The explosives should be brought in either with a vehicle that has acces authorization to the stadium (an emergency vehicle of the police, an ambulance or a car of the Security Service) or a through member of the group with a valid ticket to the stadium.

More explosives were planned at the railway station and bus station

Another explosive device would allegedly be placed at a bus stop by the terrorists . Seven hours later, according to the report of the French liason, the only woman of the group was to ignite an explosive device on a not further designated station. The source described the procedure in detail: It should not be a suicide attack. The terrorist would take a train to the station, get out there, deposit the bomb and leave by another train from the scene. The information arrived about two hours before kick-off on Tuesday evening in hands of the German authorities. Half an hour later the friendly match against the Netherlands was canceled.


BBM

They still do not know if the threat was for real.


Federal Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière (CDU) canceled the game in Niedersachsenstadion on Tuesday night barely 90 minutes before kickoff. About half an hour earlier the notice of the French intelligence was received by the authorities. The letter was written in English and then had to be translated into German.

Europe..... open borders and no coordination, not even the basics.... :gaah:

 

[FindHG]

This is what the female suicide bomber's family said about her.


Speaking to AFP before the police raid on their home, both her mother and her brother said they recognized her voice from the recording immediately.

“It’s brainwashing,” her mother said of her daughter’s radicalization over the past six months.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, her brother said she had suddenly become radicalized about six months ago and began wearing a full-faced veil or niqab.

“She was unstable, she created her own bubble. She wasn’t looking to study religion, I have never even seen her open a Koran,” he told AFP.

A source close to the investigation said a raid was carried out at her mother’s house in Aulnay-sous-Bois, a town northeast of Paris where Boulahcen had returned to live some six months ago.

“The whole neighborhood is completely cordoned off by police. They are letting no one enter or go out,” a resident of the town told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The woman lived at the home with her mother and other siblings until about three weeks ago.

“She decided to go and live with a friend in Drancy. On Wednesday I turned on my television and learned she had killed herself,” said her brother.

Drancy is a town a short drive away from Aulnay-sous-Bois.

It has cropped up in the investigation as the home of former bus driver Samy Amimour who blew himself up at a concert hall where he and two others killed 89 people.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...home-of-suspected-female-suicide-bomber-.html

As sympathetic as I'd like to be to families caught in the cross hairs of suspicion, innocently, that sounds like the same surprised distancing the families of most unrepentant perps say at first.

They could have made a little call to LE considering the times we live in, during those six months, if not before about her cousin, perhaps?

"He's not my boyfriend." as your last words is more MJ than anything else, it seems to me. Maybe her family didn't approve of the relationship?


What factors could have possibly prevented them from making that call at that time, that would not hold true now for other families like them, who may have a whiff of members bent on killing innocents for Daesh? One of the terrorists, it was said in MSM, boasted of how he would blow **** up if he could while he ranted, and his friends laughed him off. That takes a mindset, not just radicalization.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

So because Turkish Muslims killed my family members (genocide) that means Arab Muslims will kill the remaining family members? How is it that I am alive? This is a fact - the Arabs helped the survivors after they escaped from Turkey. Why didn't they just decide to kill Christians? The Arabs in Syria were under Turkish rule and could have gotten killed for helping them. They took a risk.

First, my response was a direct & tongue-in-cheek reply to something Mrs. G posted. It in no way represents my perspective of a complicated situation.
Second, in your family's situation... not to be insensitive but I think the Arabs hated the Turks & thus spared your family's life.

The enemy of my enemy & all that good stuff...,

Glad you are here.

 

[cottonweaver]

Walking around on foot... Strolling around... You know

BIB No i really don't know , that is why I asked you- this is getting awfully cryptic.