France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #3

[cottonweaver]

Anyway - Paris attacks

on the table for discussion French parliament:

"Further, controversial security measures are also being discussed, including placing under house arrest anyone considered a public threat; barring suspects from communicating with each other; and allowing police to carry out searches at any time without the prior approval of a judge."

You may be wondering, as I am, why those are seen as controversial.
I presume it must refer to citizen rights and definitions of harassment, or making them more embittered/dangerous ???

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-paris-attacks-ringleader-was-killed-in-raid

 

[Nana]

Anyway - Paris attacks

on the table for discussion French parliament:

"Further, controversial security measures are also being discussed, including placing under house arrest anyone considered a public threat; barring suspects from communicating with each other; and allowing police to carry out searches at any time without the prior approval of a judge."

You may be wondering, as I am, why those are seen as controversial.
I presume it must refer to citizen rights and definitions of harassment, or making them more embittered/dangerous ???

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-paris-attacks-ringleader-was-killed-in-raid

Maybe it's just me but, house arrest?
Like don't go out side? I see that working really well.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Mosques vandalised as US states reject Syria refugees

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...ors-block-syria-refugees-151117130527913.html

To the vandals....PSA....acting like a buffoon will not make the world a better place. It, also, will not help your cause. You just make us look ignorant, like terrorists.

 

[cottonweaver]

shocking stuff

the "mastermind" was linked, since spring 2015, to six plots planned for France BUT

France relied solely on its own intelligence, and got no information from other European countries that Abaaoud was in Europe and could possibly travel to France, until the attack happened, he said.

French PM says

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...igate-isis-mastermind-dead-st-denis-raid-live
negligent??

 

[Momoffourboys]

Sobering statistics! Not including 2015.

Cost of terror: $53 billion per year
Economic cost of terror reaches all-time record in 2014 with 61% rise; tourist industries suffer as deaths rise 80% to 32,658.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4727844,00.html

 

[Momoffourboys]

Meet the woman in the American flag hijab


http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34852817

 

[cottonweaver]

Maybe it's just me but, house arrest?
Like don't go out side? I see that working really well.

Even house arrest isn't exactly "what it says on the tin." They would still have the right to leave the house to go to work, to pray, to shop etc.
Mainly an evening curfew with an electronic tag for monitoring purposes.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Syria's President Bashar al-Assad has said a political process to end the country's bloody civil war cannot begin while it is occupied by "terrorists".

Mr Assad told Italian state television the timetable for elections "starts after starting to defeat terrorism".

It is unclear whether he was referring only to Islamic State (IS) militants or also to Western-backed rebels.

Last week, 19 countries - including Mr Assad's allies - set a deadline of 1 January for the start of peace talks.

They signed a UN statement that calls for a ceasefire to be agreed by 14 May 2016 and for free elections to be held a year later.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34867215

 

[leah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...age-Texas-mosque-following-Paris-attacks.html (Smart and kind little boy)

 

[cottonweaver]

'For a mum to bury her child is the hardest thing. Burying two is unthinkable': 'Beautiful' identical twins killed in Carillon bar massacre
Identical twins Charlotte and Emilie Meaud (pictured), 30, were among the 13 people killed in Le Carillon on Friday night
Today their widowed mother and brother are in the capital making arrangements for their bodies to be buried in their home town of Aixe sur Vienne in Limousin, western France

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lying-twins-killed-Carillon-bar-massacre.html

 

[cottonweaver]

Key points from PM Cazeneuve's speech

No intelligence was communicated to France from other European countries that Abdelhamid Abaaoud may have returned to Europe.
No information coming from European countries, where he could have transited before arriving in France, was given to us.
Information was only received a full three days after the attack from a national intelligence service “outside Europe” to inform the French that he may have been sighted in Greece.

BIB That's because none of them collected any, they just waved him through as he was a Euro passport holder!!

Cry, laugh or get angry?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...igate-isis-mastermind-dead-st-denis-raid-live

 

[FLmom777]

Not directing this post at you, just making a comment.
If our governments background checks watched nervously as terrorists suspects purchased guns and allowed it to happen, we have a major problem in our government.
If someone in the US gets tickets for dui they pull their licenses simple so what are they thinking?????

The government then tells us that the refugees are fully vetted and no threat. Yeah, I believe them totally. :thinking:

 

[Colin de France]

BIG LIST: All these terror attacks in U.S. covered up by feds

Dozens committed by Muslim immigrants in last 2 years

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/big-list...n-u-s-covered-up-by-feds/#BXVRO1qq4KmAEV5F.99

........muslim and islam radicalism have nothing in common.....it's this type of ultra right wing low level stirring which présents just as much a threat to peace as the terrorists themselves.......

 

[Momoffourboys]

This is how you fight them....hit them where it really hurts.

Russian warplanes disrupt ISIS oil sales channels; destroy 500 terrorist oil trucks in Syria

https://www.rt.com/news/322614-russian-warplanes-isis-oil-trucks/

 

[Mollyandme]

Exactly!!
We can't handle what we have!!! That is what concerns me.

This is what concerns me too. Some of these terrorists are already here, planning, plotting and waiting for the right moment to do something. Imo, resources need to be heavily put towards that rather than taking a gamble of letting even more Isis in right now gaining entrance under the guise of being a refugee.

It's really sad and I feel for the refugees. Two of the lost boys of Sudan lived with my family while they were in high school after seeing their families slaughtered and seeing many of their friends eaten by crocodiles while crossing a river. They drank their own urine and ate leaves to survive. They overcame horror upon horror and are the kindest, humble, most grateful people I know. I consider them brothers, both have masters degrees, families of their own, and one works for a large us government agency, so I know With the proper supports in place refugees can do well here, but this was over a decade ago and the situation different. Things have changed so much and I think it's reasonable to stall the process for the time being, not because they are Muslim, but because Isis is going to use them as a guise to come here. this article highlights exactly what you stated, "we can't handle what we already have!"

 

[ZaZara]

Gatestone Institute ‏@GatestoneInst

This #imam gave a sermon in #France on the day of the #ParisAttacks. What he said was chilling. http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5164.htm …

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5164.htm
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/5164.htm

"Anyone who hates a Muslim anywhere can affront him, sanction his killing, murder him, curse him, and so on. They even legislate laws as they see fit, and no one prevents this. As long as this has to do with the Muslims, you can legislate whatever law you want.

"According to scientific statistics, all the institutions in charge of human rights groups are Zionist. Yes. […] These groups strive to corrupt society, rather than empowering it and protecting its unity. They strive to fragment society.

[…]

"[They agree] to conduct dialogue with Muslims, but only with Muslims who have relinquished their conscience and identity. With them – with [French reformist sheikh Hassen] Chalghoumi and his ilk – they are willing to conduct dialogue. But when a Muslim, has a backbone, and an identity in which he takes pride and which he will not relinquish, they refuse to conduct dialogue with him. They don't want to conduct dialogue with a true Muslim. They conduct dialogue only with Muslim hypocrites, with Muslims who make a mockery of their own religion.

[…]

"We want our children to penetrate the political realm in the West. We want this. We dream of seeing our children become ministers and dignitaries, and even presidents. Why not? We want them to rule France one day, to rule Belgium, Germany, and Britain. Why not? This is possible. But don't confuse matters. You will never get [your children] there through the means of Islam. No. you must get them there through their [Western] rules, not yours. If you play by your own rules, you will never get there. Politics in these countries are based on these rules.


BBM

 

[catatonia]

Beijing has vowed to bring ISIS to justice after the group said it had executed two hostages, a Chinese and a Norwegian.

ISIS said it had killed the two men, identified as Chinese national Fan Jinghui and Norwegian citizen Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad in its English-language online magazine Dabiq.

China hasn't been an active participant in the fight against ISIS, but, in the wake of the killing, pledged to "enhance its counter-terrorism cooperation with the international community."

But experts say the chances of Chinese aircraft flying alongside Russian and U.S. planes in Syria and Iraq are slim to none.

"It seems most likely that the Chinese government will continue to stay on the sidelines," said Xie Tao, a professor at Beijing Foreign Studies University.

Xie said there are multiple reasons for that. First, he said by officially declaring war on ISIS, Chinese officials fear that could draw further scrutiny from the group, and perhaps increase the chances of a Paris-style attack in China.

He also pointed to the notion of precedent.

If the Chinese were to join the anti-ISIS coalition, it would be a historic step in their foreign policy, ignoring a decades-old policy of nonintervention and potentially giving other countries leverage when asking China to take sides in future conflicts.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/18/asia/isis-hostages-china-norway/

Looks like they really want to start off a war against the whole world.

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/18/asia/isis-hostages-china-norway/

Looks like they really want to start a war against the whole world.

IMO What they want is to divide the world. Looks like the strategy is failing. The world seems more united than before.

 

[leah]

I only remember one situation, and I was a little kid, and that was the Vietnamese, churches and groups were bringing them to the small cities around us and many into the city we lived. I didn't understand the fuss and gossip going on, and I also understand that people weren't afraid of terrorism, more, they didn't understand the culture, and how was it going to affect the lifestyle of the town's people. It sounds like people want to pick and choose who comes and who doesn't, which obviously the citizens have no choice, and if we do I'm not aware of it. I have no problem, after reading the vetting process, and yes, it could be all lies. But I do have family and friends that are dead set against it, I understand their fear, and it is easier to just walk away then to start arguments. I have never lived my life in fear, and never will, maybe I'm too dumb and naive, but it has worked for me all these years. But I'm more concerned with a mentally ill, or just plain evil person, picking up his gun/guns and shooting into a school, mall, theater, etc. If we stop taking refugees, where should we place them? I have no idea where all the refugees are suppose to go.

 

[cottonweaver]

Finally someone is saying it ...

Bernard Cazeneuve’s speech on how Abdelhamid Abaaoud travelled back to Europe from Syria, despite an international arrest warrant, left little room for doubt about his anger over missed opportunities to detain him.

Europe must “pull itself together”, he said. “We must act fast and firmly. Europe must do that, as it remembers the victims and their families.”

Cazeneuve urged European politicians to adopt the air passenger list (PNR), a reinforcement of external borders and stronger coordination to tackle arms trafficking.

He has requested an emergency EU interior ministers meeting on Friday

so if i was being simplistic, and he was the "mastermind" - the deaths of these 130 people - their blood on whose hands?
A load of EU politicians, national governments , or us the Euro electorate for electing them and trusting them?

I have then come back, full circle, to my original viewpoint when I started posting on the thread - when I knew bu**er all about this topic