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IMO and as an American...I don't believe they will be heavily vetted. How on earth is that possible given the time frame?

ITA. And until the POTUS and it's Administration with total transparency presents an unredacted copy of the actual vetting and security checks (which has not been provided) that they are using to ensure the safety of Americans I am opposed to any refugees entering our country.

AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN: Congress has Passed a bi-partisan Bill to improve screening of refugees with VETO-PROOF MAJORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will NEVER understand why our Prez took to insulting and berating the people of his nation for wanting to STOP, OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE, IMPROVE, and THEN CONTINUE with a refugee program when the security of his citizens and nation could be further compromised.
 
  • #242
Syrians flown to the US will be the most heavily vetted group of people currently allowed into the US, according to the State Department. (from the article) I want to believe that, but if I say I totally think this will happen, I'm sure people will laugh. And even if there will be heavily vetted, people always fall through the cracks. At the same time, no matter what security, whatever vetting, if someone has the mind to do terrible harm, the person/people will find a way. Feel like I'm riding a roller coaster, moments of a bleeding heart, moments of a conservative, and then moments of being in the middle of both. I can't help but keep wondering, where are all these people in desperate need go? And when there is a place to home them, what crackpot is going to do something awful to a group of people, because there is no tolerance or understanding?

What about the ones coming here via other countries like the five they just caught in Honduras. They had stolen Greek passports and were coming through Mexico. When asked all they replied was "refugee".
 
  • #243
couple of eye witnesses told sky news they saw the ringleader (so called "mastermind") drinking whisky, beer and smoking joints on the street outside the St Denis flat after the attacks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-street-drinking-whisky-bottle-attacks.html


Anyone who has read up on Isil knows this is entirely consistent with who the the members of this org are. Isil is NOT a fundamentalist Muslim organization and never was. They've coopted religious language and symbols for recruitment purposes, and they've deliberately targeted the religious, disaffected, and idealistic young for the same reason.

ISIL recruitment lit can be easily found online, as can organizational docs spelling out their goals.

What's going on is about many things, but it most definitely is not and will not become principally a clash between religions --unless we in the West fall into the trap of making it that.
 
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Anyone who has read up on Isil knows this is entirely consistent with who the the members of this org are. Isil is NOT a fundamentalist Muslim organization and never was. They've coopted religious language and symbols for recruitment purposes, and they've deliberately targeted the religious, disaffected, and idealistic young for the same reason.

ISIL recruitment lit can be easily found online, as can organizational docs spelling out their goals.

What's going on is about many things, but it most definitely is not and will not become principally a clash between religions --unless we in the West fall into the trap of making it that.

"It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them,"

-- Iraqi writer Faisal Saeed Al Mutar

why the word choice 'religious'?
 
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I've been wondering why that tyrant Assad complains, but doesn't seem to be able to control ISIS. Is he inept? Does he "need western help"?

Wikipedia tells me he is playing a game of "hey westerners don't look at me, lookie over there" to distract from his civil war. I'm interpreting that he is allowing ISIS to flourish because it actually benefits him. (I didn't cut paste about his oil connections with ISIS - just TMI)

Also note the last paragraph that Turkey, (our lovely NATO ally) Saudi Arabia and Qatar are backing al-Qaeda based al-Nusra front.

I have no words for this ME clusterf*ck.

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Excerpt from Bashar al-Assad's Wikipedia:


The UK’s Ambassador to the United Nations Mark Lyall Grant concluded at the outset of the American-led coalition intervention in Syria that "ISIS is a monster that the Frankenstein of Assad has largely created".[175]

French President Francois Hollande stated regarding the airstrikes, "Assad cannot be a partner in the fight against terrorism, he is the de facto ally of jihadists".[176]

Analyst Noah Bonsey of the International Crisis Group has suggested that ISIL are politically expedient for Assad, as "the threat of ISIS provides a way out [for Assad] because the regime believes that over time the U.S. and other countries backing the opposition will eventually conclude that the regime is a necessary partner on the ground in confronting this jihadi threat", while Robin Wright of the Middle East studies at the Wilson Center has stated "the outside world’s decision to focus on ISIS has ironically lessened the pressure on Assad. And he’s getting away literally with murder on a daily basis".[177]

In May 2015, Mario About Zeid of the Carnegie Middle East Center stated that the recent Hezbollah offensive "has exposed the reality of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Qalamoun; that it is operated by the Syrian regime's intelligence", after ISIL in the region engaged in probing attacks against FSA units at the outset of the fighting.[178]

On 1 June 2015, the United States stated that the Assad regime was "making air-strikes in support" of an ISIL advance on Syrian opposition positions north of Aleppo.[179]

Referring to the same ISIL offensive, the president of the Syrian National Coalition Khaled Koja accused Assad of acting "as an air force for ISIS",[180]
with the Defence Minister of the SNC Salim Idris stating that approximately 180 Assad regime officers were serving in ISIS and coordinating the group's attacks with the Syrian Arab Army.[181]

Christopher Kozak of the Institute for the Study of War states that "Assad sees the defeat of ISIS in the long term and prioritizes in the more short-and medium-term, trying to cripple the more mainline Syrian opposition [...] ISIS is a threat that lots of people can rally around and even if the regime trades … territory that was in rebel hands over to ISIS control, that weakens the opposition, which has more legitimacy [than ISIS]".[182]

A media consultant who works directly for Assad threatened the Druze community in Suwayda with allowing ISIL to attack them if they refused to let their sons join the Syrian Arab Army; the Druze continued to refuse to be associated with the Assad regime, and ISIL attacks subsequently occurred soon after in northern Suwayda.[183]

As of 2015, Assad's regional main opponents, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are openly backing the Army of Conquest, an umbrella rebel group that reportedly includes an al-Qaeda linked al-Nusra Front and another Salafi coalition known as Ahrar ash-Sham.[184][185][186] In the course of the conflict, ISIL has repeatedly massacred pro-government Alawite civilians and executed captured Syrian Alawite soldiers.[187][188] ISIL, al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front and affiliated jihadist groups reportedly took the lead in an offensive on Alawite villages in Latakia Governorate of Syria in August 2013.[187][189]

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
 
  • #246
Don't know if this has been posted yet:

"Turning on President Barack Obama and other Democratic leaders, a significant chunk of the House Democratic caucus sided with Republicans in an effort to effectively stifle the flow of Syrian refugees into the US.

On Thursday, 47 House Democrats voted in favor of a bill authored by Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas). The bill passed, 289-137, giving it just enough to overcome a threatened veto from President Barack Obama.

The legislation bars Iraqi and Syrian refugees from being admitted to the US until the FBI director and the Director of National Intelligence certify to Congress that each refugee does not pose a national-security threat."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-just-delivered-huge-blow-193742129.html
 
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Hoping that establishments where gay people frequent are being extra cautious and hanging tightly to their identification, imo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html
"Bombing suspect "seen in gay bars in Brussels"

According to a report in Le Libre, Salah Abdeslam was seen in gay bars in Brussels in October. Police reportedly believe he may have been identifying targets for an attack or alternatively seeking to steal ID cards and documents."
 
  • #249
ISIS certainly is threatening a lot of countries.

It will be their downfall using the Internet !!
 
  • #250
Hoping that establishments where gay people frequent are being extra cautious and hanging tightly to their identification, imo.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ance-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html
"Bombing suspect "seen in gay bars in Brussels"

According to a report in Le Libre, Salah Abdeslam was seen in gay bars in Brussels in October. Police reportedly believe he may have been identifying targets for an attack or alternatively seeking to steal ID cards and documents."

....or maybe he was gay. Just sayin'.
 
  • #251
Don't know if this has been posted yet:

"Turning on President Barack Obama and other Democratic leaders, a significant chunk of the House Democratic caucus sided with Republicans in an effort to effectively stifle the flow of Syrian refugees into the US.

On Thursday, 47 House Democrats voted in favor of a bill authored by Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas). The bill passed, 289-137, giving it just enough to overcome a threatened veto from President Barack Obama.

The legislation bars Iraqi and Syrian refugees from being admitted to the US until the FBI director and the Director of National Intelligence certify to Congress that each refugee does not pose a national-security threat."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-just-delivered-huge-blow-193742129.html

Now it has to go to the Senate.
 
  • #252
What about the ones coming here via other countries like the five they just caught in Honduras. They had stolen Greek passports and were coming through Mexico. When asked all they replied was "refugee".

And thankfully the Hondurans where able to thwart the plan. Should the US just stop helping or aiding people in need? That's not going to happen, nor should it.
 
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Enter the Dragon.

Beijing responds to the execution of Fan Jinghui by the Islamic State

BEIJING has responded angrily to the execution of one of its citizens by the Islamic State, and has vowed to avenge him.

A statement from the Chinese foreign ministry said the execution of Fan Jinghui, a 50-year-old freelance consultant, by the terror group was a “savage act devoid of humanity” and vowed to “bring the criminals to justice.”

“The Chinese government will resolutely oppose all forms of terrorism, resolutely strike at any violent terrorist criminal activities that defy the bottom lines of human culture.”

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...e/news-story/72c46e8e0f2869fec2ed34544c3eaa5d
 
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