France - Five shot, four dead in French Alps, may have int'l ramifications #1

[~n/t~]

I thought I read that grandmother was picked up from Reading, wasn't there another daughter studying in London, perhaps she was visiting her or did she live in UK.
It's quite frustrating how little we are being told.

At this point we don't even know if she was the grandmother. The little 4 year old said she didn't know her that well which is quite puzzling. I realize it could be because grandma perhaps didn't visit that often being from another country but still wouldn't a child say yes, that's my nana?

I think they're holding back a lot of information. Could be for the childrens safety.

 

[rotterdam]

Were they actually "with" another family or simply parked next to them at the camp?

I believe the killer did want the entire family killed. Would love to know exactly what the father was worth.
Does anyone know if the wife's father is alive, I haven't seen any mention of him.
One would assume that if the entire family were killed, apart from wife's mother, that the wife's mother would have inherited their estate.

I'm sure the cellphones will provide a wealth of information if this was a planned meeting, but I lean towards the car being bugged, would be so easy to lie in wait for them knowing they were on a quiet very narrow road.

One thing that confuses me, has there been any mention of the family's car passing the cyclist or was it coming from the opposite direction.

Wife's father apparently died in May.
"Mrs Al-Allaf lived alone after the death of her husband in May and they said she ‘longed’ to spend more time with her daughter and grandchildren".

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-animosity-victim-brother.html#ixzz261AtQZkW
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ome/search.html?s=&authornamef=Stephen+Wright

 

[~n/t~]

I am going back to that scenario as well.

When scientists are killed by political factions because they worked on secret projects, etc, I have never seen the entire family slaughtered on Holiday. They usually take out the scientist only. Why kill a 7 yr old girl?

You can get spies to kill 'enemy' scientists or other spies, but they generally won't slaughter innocent women and children.

True, there are terrorists which will do this. But this attack did not have those same hallmarks. It seems more like an execution style paid hit.

The only person who would want the ENTIRE family gone would be someone who wanted an inheritance and needed the other family wiped clean. imo

I still maintain that the 7 year old child was not a target. I'm still skeptical about a lot of things being released to the press at this point. They could be releasing whatever they want for specific reasons. The truth, half truth or fabrication.


:moo:

 

[wfgodot]

I have no idea what a terrorist-style hit OR a professional paid hit would "look like," and that the latter has been fodder for tabloid headlines does not necessarily make it true. As for information, I think we've been given quite a bit of it actually; public prosecutor Eric Maillaud, at his press conferences, has been - I think - quite forthcoming. Do we know everything the gendarmerie knows? Hope not.

 

[rotterdam]

I have no idea what a terrorist-style hit OR a professional paid hit would "look like," and that the latter has been fodder for tabloid headlines does not necessarily make it true. As for information, I think we've been given quite a bit of it actually; public prosecutor Eric Maillaud, at his press conferences, has been - I think - quite forthcoming. Do we know everything the gendarmerie knows? Hope not.

I agree. We have been giving plenty of info. There are so many possibilities now. The brother could very well be completely innocent with all the new info released. Inheritance taxes are terrible in UK IIRC hence the delay of will probate by Saad.
After escaping Saddam's brutal regime, you would expect much adversity to violence by the family. Besides, arguments over money/wills happen in many families and generally do not result in a massacre.
The EADS connection is also very troublesome. This is one intriguing tragic massacre.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

What would be the benefit of keeping only one child alive?,i know someone mentioned inheritance.
Now for the shooter to have been told to keep 1 child alive i would presume they would also know about the sister?,was that why the 4 yr old wasnt sought out in the car and shot?.
Why was the older sister shot?,a stray bullet i can buy,but the reports have been pretty specific in saying the girl was Beaten about the head and not hit by a vehicle etc..

 

[rotterdam]

seven year old out of coma
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ies-home.html?openGraphAuthor=/home/search.ht

 

[rotterdam]

What would be the benefit of keeping only one child alive?,i know someone mentioned inheritance.
Now for the shooter to have been told to keep 1 child alive i would presume they would also know about the sister?,was that why the 4 yr old wasnt sought out in the car and shot?.
Why was the older sister shot?,a stray bullet i can buy,but the reports have been pretty specific in saying the girl was Beaten about the head and not hit by a vehicle etc..

If there is any truth to the inheritance story, remember that a close family member could expect custody of the minors and therefor control over the inheritance $$$$ for quite some years.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Custody!,thanks rotterdam,i could not for the life of me think of that word but that is what i was thinking when i posted but brain farted n died...

 

[rotterdam]

Alps shootings: how French press buried the story (Guardian)
Murder of British family and French cyclist seen by Gallic press
as small story despite hitting front pages in UK newspapers

May be in France but surely not in other western European countries. The Netherlands has it as its top international news and so do other countries in the area.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2664...-moorden-in-Annecy-wordt-lang-en-lastig.dhtml

 

[sherlockh]

New witness.

The new witness last night revealed that the family had arrived at an isolated mountain car park at least an hour before they were killed. He also said there was no sign of any other vehicle following the family, suggesting they had arranged to meet the killer or were victims of a random attack.

Laurent Fillion-Robin, 38, was doing building work on a house in Chevaline when he saw the family's red BMW approaching. He said he saw the car between 2.30pm and 3pm. The shooting was reported to police at 3.58pm by a former RAF serviceman who was cycling past.

"I saw an English car coming up the road from the village," said Mr Fillion-Robin, who has not yet been interviewed by police. "There were no other cars with it. I did not see or hear any other cars pass by that afternoon."

The house is the final property before the road climbs 3km to the car park in a national park above Lake Annecy.

Police have revealed that the Iraq-born Mr Hilli, 50, his dentist wife Ikbal, 47, his Swedish mother-in-law Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, and a cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, 45, were each shot two times in the head and that 25 bullets were fired in the attack.

Mr Fillion-Robin said: "I didn't hear any shooting. You do hear shooting from the hunters sometimes but I didn't hear anything that afternoon. Perhaps they had a silencer."

The builder, who lives in a nearby village, said it was "bizarre" for the family to have gone to the car park. "It is not the sort of place that families with young children or older people would go to," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ch-alps-shooting/story-fnb64oi6-1226470712911

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Its still appearing on my homepage as news and is updated regularly..

 

[ScotsPaddy]

So does that road dead end or carry on?.

 

[jjenny]

I agree. We have been giving plenty of info. There are so many possibilities now. The brother could very well be completely innocent with all the new info released. Inheritance taxes are terrible in UK IIRC hence the delay of will probate by Saad.
After escaping Saddam's brutal regime, you would expect much adversity to violence by the family. Besides, arguments over money/wills happen in many families and generally do not result in a massacre.
The EADS connection is also very troublesome. This is one intriguing tragic massacre.

Arguments over money don't always result in massacre-but sometimes they do. Just watched "Power, privilege and Justice" where one brother ordered a hit on another brother and that brother's family over money.

 

[Swamp Fox Trot]

I have heard of Colombian drug lords ordering entire families wiped out. Who else does this type of thing? There is also a possibility the assassins were not expecting children to be there and they improvised.

 

[rotterdam]

Custody!,thanks rotterdam,i could not for the life of me think of that word but that is what i was thinking when i posted but brain farted n died...

No wonder, this case has so many complicated international angles. And so many investigators dedicated to it. A family feud or simple robbery surely would not have included a search of the family home.
Just fascinating. And not a high grade surgical assassination a la Mossad either. Actually kind of sloppy. High hopes that they will get it all sorted out.
Will make it a tad bit easier for the girls when grown up if they catch the culprits.
Definitely future book/movie material.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

I have heard of Colombian drug lords ordering entire families wiped out. Who else does this type of thing? There is also a possibility the assassins were not expecting children to be there and they improvised.

And the columbians have a far reach.

 

[jjenny]

And the columbians have a far reach.

But there has to be some reason for columbian drug lords to order wipe out of entire family. From the description of this family I see nothing to suggest that they were involved in a drug trade.

 

[wfgodot]

If this were a hit arranged by family - why do it in France? Sure, it would distance it from the perp(s), but the uncertainty of the thing would add several degrees of difficulty not present in England, where family routine would be easy to establish.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

rotterdam,i really think it would help in a family fued robbery case to search the family home.
There could be emails,maybe some threatening mail,large sums of money or drugs in a safe,hand written notes by the father about something or maybe to look at his business dealings?.
Also what countries did he work in?,i ask because i have a family member who runs a successfull company(100% legitimate) and was expanding into Russia which meant he had no choice but to have certain dealings with the Mafia.