France - Karen Carter, 65, stabbed to death, Dordogne, 29 April 2025

[Charlot123]

Around the time of the crime? Street maps are not updated very often.

Yes, you are right. They might be very lucky, though.

My feeling is that the assailant was not at the cafe. They knew that Karen would be coming home eventually, and probably, alone (because she and J-F were discreet).
The assailant knew that if they arrived together, there was a way to hide or even explain the assailant’s presence (some shortcuts between houses?). Maybe they used to stand in the darkness and observed the couple in the house before, getting more and more upset?

On the other hand,

- KC and J-F G were a “known item” in the village, yet they were “discreet”. What was their concern? Someone must have been, and I am not sure it was M-L.

- J-F must have been concerned about something, to start immediately when KC did not answer. What was he so much afraid of? Were there any threats? Pen-poison letters? Some calls?

 

[Charlot123]

While Karen was certainly attractive, I think age does count in whether such a woman would likely be the same kind of target as very young women often are: such as the 21 year olds Kohberger was stalking, that men collect bikini pics of, who used to be called pinups...

And while romantic rejection hurts, I can't believe it was the first time anyone in this age cohort had been rejected in a love affair - especially one that hadn't progressed to any form of commitment.

I think it's possible the multiple stab wounds could have been to ensure she wouldn't survive...

Jmo

I think they mean, of BK’s personality type, not age.

I can see it being a BK type, only in mid-40es, more social and with good sense of humor. But still, obsessive and grievance collector. But also, more agile. It is a frontal attack, and KC is a soccer player. In pictures, she looks neither small nor weak. She could run away or yell. So, the person does have a good reaction time and on the other hand, they do not expect Karen to be scared. Someone with very good dexterity.

I doubt that the person was dressed in a latex costume, tbh. Just because there was a risk. But one thing would look the same on everyone, football shoes. Maybe Les Reignes had the same style and the company, with identical soles? It could be one of the team or the people around the team, the coaches, or the people who travel with them. Could be a family member or someone could even buy an identical pair.

About the age. It factors in the speed of the relationship (J-F was 73, he could be moving “faster” in terms of time).

Would it be an issue, say, if five years ago, during COVID, KC was 60, and caught the eye of someone who was forty years of age? No one knew who’d survive the pandemic…. But it could be so that KC saw no future in starting a relationship, and the person felt differently.

I can imagine the person being younger, not too tall but very strong.

 

[miss marble]

I don't blame his for his testiness. It says he spoke to the reporter "outside his house," which sounds like he was ambushed as he was leaving or returning home. If the reporter was skulking around his home hoping for an interview, then I'd say the article has a lot of gall to call his statement "unprompted."

As for what he did or didn't say about Karen, I doubt the article provided his full statement, just a small bit of it. At the very least, I'd imagine he read the reporter the riot act for invading his privacy, but that's not mentioned in the article either.

In any case, I doubt he did it unless there's more to his relationship with Karen. Killing someone just because they are the romantic interest of your sister's unrequited love would be

I agree that the media can be annoyingly intrusive, but I remember that he previously did an interview with a Telegraph reporter and made a point of telling them that 'everyone knew that his sister was madly in love with JF-G'

His quote from this article :-

My sister did not murder Dordogne love rival

Released pensioner had told village of her affections for British mother’s lover but had been wrongly accused, sibling says

www.telegraph.co.uk

"She went around Tremolat saying I'm in love, I don't have a husband anymore. I'm in love"

"She was easy prey for the journalists, the prosecutor, it was easy. She told everyone in Tremolat , I love Jean-Francois'

I'm not sure I would appreciate my sibling talking about me like that to the media. He also makes a huge point of everyone knowing.

He also mentions in the article that his sister fled to Paris, so a bit strange he now says he doesn't know where she is.

And regarding motive, I agree that he is an unlikely perpetrator...although he may have been hoping that her relationship with a rich business man could help the rest of the family (he is ex fire service and his sister an ex carer so unlikely to be very well off)

Also had a thought that maybe he had a crush on Karen and he was put out that she was more interested in JF-G?

All just my theories and opinion.

 

[Skigh]

I agree that the media can be annoyingly intrusive, but I remember that he previously did an interview with a Telegraph reporter and made a point of telling them that 'everyone knew that his sister was madly in love with JF-G'

His quote from this article :-

My sister did not murder Dordogne love rival

Released pensioner had told village of her affections for British mother’s lover but had been wrongly accused, sibling says

www.telegraph.co.uk

"She went around Tremolat saying I'm in love, I don't have a husband anymore. I'm in love"

"She was easy prey for the journalists, the prosecutor, it was easy. She told everyone in Tremolat , I love Jean-Francois'

I'm not sure I would appreciate my sibling talking about me like that to the media. He also makes a huge point of everyone knowing.

He also mentions in the article that his sister fled to Paris, so a bit strange he now says he doesn't know where she is.

And regarding motive, I agree that he is an unlikely perpetrator...although he may have been hoping that her relationship with a rich business man could help the rest of the family (he is ex fire service and his sister an ex carer so unlikely to be very well off)

Also had a thought that maybe he had a crush on Karen and he was put out that she was more interested in JF-G?

All just my theories and opinion.

Maybe she was in the early stages of dementia. As an ex fire fighter he would receive a pension which would provide him with enough money to live without needing help from a rich business man.
I would presume as an astute business man he would make sure his financial affairs were in order . I am not sure of the details ,but I have English friends who have lived for decades in France and they say inheritance laws are very strict in France and money has to be passed on to blood relatives.

 

[Dotta]

He also mentions in the article that his sister fled to Paris, so a bit strange he now says he doesn't know where she is.

Pardon?

This woman didn't FLEE.

She is a free person,
and can travel wherever fancy takes her.

People in EU can travel without hassle to 27 countries within Europe.

So...
Who can prohibit her
to go not only to Paris,
but Madrid, Rome or even Prague or Kraków?

The answer is simple:

Nobody.

JMO

 

[miss marble]

Pardon?

This woman didn't FLEE.

She is a free person,
and can travel wherever fancy takes her.

People in EU can travel without hassle to 27 countries within Europe.

So...
Who can prohibit her
to go not only to Paris,
but Madrid, Rome or even Prague or Kraków?

The answer is simple:

Nobody.

JMO

Yes you're quite right, I was repeating the article which used the term rather dramatically.
Although it would look a bit strange if she decided to go abroad to be fair!

 

[whitelilac]

I still wonder about the possibility of a complete unknown, a person who did work in her home. Someone who felt she was an entitled intruder or who had the hots for her. Someone who may have lurked hidden around her property previously, waiting for an opportunity while his rage increased.

 

[indicolite22]

Yes you're quite right, I was repeating the article which used the term rather dramatically.
Although it would look a bit strange if she decided to go abroad to be fair!

The article is quoting her brother saying that M-L had not returned home after her release from custody but went to Paris and is staying there due to the "awful mood in the village". This does sound like fleeing. Perhaps she felt she was being judged or didn't feel safe. In a Telegraph article the brother also stated that his sister was "in a very, very bad way" and wouldn't get over the accusations against her.

 

[Charlot123]

The article is quoting her brother saying that M-L had not returned home after her release from custody but went to Paris and is staying there due to the "awful mood in the village". This does sound like fleeing. Perhaps she felt she was being judged or didn't feel safe. In a Telegraph article the brother also stated that his sister was "in a very, very bad way" and wouldn't get over the accusations against her.

She might be feeling deeply ashamed. To add, we don’t know how soon she was detained. If in the mid-day, when the police started interviewing witnesses, it is one story. If it happened in the morning, though, then, IMHO, there could have been only one source of information about ML’s interest in J-F. If so, it must have hurt her.

Maybe she was in the early stages of dementia. As an ex fire fighter he would receive a pension which would provide him with enough money to live without needing help from a rich business man.
I would presume as an astute business man he would make sure his financial affairs were in order . I am not sure of the details ,but I have English friends who have lived for decades in France and they say inheritance laws are very strict in France and money has to be passed on to blood relatives.

She’s an amateur genealogist. While it is not telling per se, I’d venture to hazard a guess that her cognition is probably OK. Perhaps, she is slightly naive and took J-F’s gallantry for something serious?

Either way, living in 600+ commune has its drawbacks. We can see it as every article provides us with diverging views and stories.

 

[Mayb]

She might be feeling deeply ashamed. To add, we don’t know how soon she was detained. If in the mid-day, when the police started interviewing witnesses, it is one story. If it happened in the morning, though, then, IMHO, there could have been only one source of information about ML’s interest in J-F. If so, it must have hurt her.


She’s an amateur genealogist. While it is not telling per se, I’d venture to hazard a guess that her cognition is probably OK. Perhaps, she is slightly naive and took J-F’s gallantry for something serious?

Either way, living in 600+ commune has its drawbacks. We can see it as every article provides us with diverging views and stories.

Yes, I can see that living in a small village would have its drawbacks viz gossip. Damaging gossip as is apparently currently seen in M-L's uncomfortable situation. Some caused by M-L.

Initially, with Karen moving there, there might have been interested-in-Karen gossip. Successful in business, she appeared to be working towards having an independent life. It's been suggested she planned to live by herself in a new home in the village.

Karen, as a friendly confident resident participating in village activities - and,
being attractive to boot, was possibly a subject of interest. Would have stood out.

Karen did not appear to be setting up home with J-F; I suggest a good friendship was there and it was their business.

Tremolat's hitherto village environment has now sadly been turned on its head by fear !

For the sake of M-L and every worried villager and Karen's family let's hope police can reach resolution soon and calm things.

Very very sad. RIP Karen

 

[Tealgrove]

A divorce looming. An affair. A potential love triangle (woman who was arrested and then released). A small village where everybody knows everybody and everybody’s business.

It’s so salacious. It could’ve almost be a “Murder She Wrote” episode.

But Karen was running a business of sorts. She was renting out the property, negotiating to buy a cottage, helping out at the cafe.

Did she have some bad business dealings? Could her murder not be related to personal relationships?

Just thinking about other reasons for this murder. Who would benefit financially from her death?

MOO