• #761
Regarding Karen not looking like herself, I’ve been thinking about it. While the divorce was certainly a difficult chapter, I wouldn’t put it at the top of the list as the main reason for her appearance that day. Karen initiated the divorce, and it seems she had been preparing for it for quite some time. There also appears to have been a cooling‑off period in the marriage, so it likely didn’t strike her husband like a sudden thunderbolt. Still painful, of course, but not entirely unexpected.
Her new projects and activities in the village suggested she was looking ahead to an interesting future. That’s why I’m inclined to think her stress and paleness on that particular day might have been caused by something that threatened those future plans. Pure speculation, but perhaps her JFG told her he valued her as a close friend yet wasn’t considering marriage. If Karen leaned toward a more traditional outlook and didn’t want to remain just a “female friend,” that could have been emotionally difficult. Stress like that could easily make someone look pale or skip makeup altogether.
As for her age and health, we don’t know whether she had any medical appointments that day. It’s possible she had received worrying news. I’m also unsure whether she was competing in the wine contest or had her own wine exhibited. If she did, I imagine it would have been in small quantities, nothing that would threaten anyone’s market position. And I wouldn’t expect Karen, at this stage of life, to be preparing to enter the local wine market competitively. She seemed more like someone hoping for a pleasant retirement, perhaps with a bit of income from real estate or a small niche venture.
 
  • #762
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Here is the map showing the locations of the café, Karen’s farmhouse, and the bridge where the mysterious bag was found. The distance between Café Village and Les Chouettes is about 1.7km, and the distance from the bridge to the farmhouse is roughly the same, easily within walking range. The café and the bridge are even closer to one another, at roughly 800m apart. It means the killer didn’t need a car. Someone could easily move between these spots on foot without attracting attention. That widens the possibilities: it could have been someone local, someone walking home, or someone who knew the area well. Karen left the café, drove less than 2km, and was attacked almost immediately. The short distance helps explain how the timeline is so tight. If the bag found under the bridge is connected to the murder, the person who left it there didn’t have to travel far. They could have walked there in minutes. JMO
 
  • #763
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Here is the map showing the locations of the café, Karen’s farmhouse, and the bridge where the mysterious bag was found. The distance between Café Village and Les Chouettes is about 1.7km, and the distance from the bridge to the farmhouse is roughly the same, easily within walking range. The café and the bridge are even closer to one another, at roughly 800m apart. It means the killer didn’t need a car. Someone could easily move between these spots on foot without attracting attention. That widens the possibilities: it could have been someone local, someone walking home, or someone who knew the area well. Karen left the café, drove less than 2km, and was attacked almost immediately. The short distance helps explain how the timeline is so tight. If the bag found under the bridge is connected to the murder, the person who left it there didn’t have to travel far. They could have walked there in minutes. JMO

I do think early reports stated the event had been at the Cafe Village, but I think the wine tasting was not at the Cafe Village, it was held at JFG’s home, which is located “high in the hills above Trémolat last Tuesday evening, which had been attended by Mrs Carter.

I don’t know if we know where JFG’s home is located exactly, other than the above description.
 
  • #764
Such a mystery. I can only hope the police know more than we do. And that they have questioned anybody who may know something - including doctors and lawyers.
 
  • #765
Karen initiated the divorce, and it seems she had been preparing for it for quite some time.
I don't really know if someone mentioning that they did not think Karen looked as put-together as usual has any actual base nor anything to do with anyhing at all, but just saying that a long preparation for divorce does not really indicate it is any easier. It is more likely to indicate that the divorce is complex practically and/or emotionally. There is a huge stigma around divorce still, especially for a woman, and this is directly connected to women guilting themselves into staying in dysfunctional relationships.
This is something viewed very negatively
In my experience, life is rarely black and white, especially with interpersonal relationships.
The first thought that comes to mind, if it was a marriage “on paper only” and people were having parallel lives would be inheritance in case of a spouse dying.

We really don’t know why KC did not look herself. We know she was a cancer survivor.

In the case of a married couple, the surviving spouse inherits the common property.
This is an interesting aspect I had not thought about!
Even withouth an acute health problem, inheritance (especially of the French real estate) could play into that.
mysterious bag
Sorry, I have forgotten about the bag alltogether, do you have a link for the background?
 
  • #766
Rude? 🤔

I never say anything bad about myself
Others can do it much better hahaha 🤣

But honestly,
rude means using vulgar language
and I never do this.

I would say I was blunt.
And why not?

The divorce discussion is between TWO people.
It is private matter between husband and wife.

Period.

Karen and AC lived as a family loooong years.
They had several children together.
They brought them up together, educated them together.
He helped her establish French business.
Was a shoulder to cry on when she fought against cancer.
They formed a FAMILY.
They were together for decades, through sickness and health, good and bad times.

So ...
I think it is just a matter of RESPECT towards the husband and MUTUAL life shared
(despite talking divorce).

Imagine (generally speaking)
a lover in tow when discussions about private, intimate matters between spouses are proceeding.
What a nerve!

This is something viewed very negatively
(to put it mildly!!!!)
in the culture where I live.

But, it seems, some think it is normal.
Oh well.....
Cultural differences I guess.

By the way,
Didn't JF try to be discreet in the village???
(as was reported)
Cough, cough,
the whole village was bursting with gossip :rolleyes:

So
why didn't he try this time at place where husband's family was???
Isn't it humiliation?

And
let's not talk about ...ummm..."true love",
the alleged relationship was new,
and, after all,
the 70 year old pensioner was certain of his feelings also, not too much earlier.
That is why she was suspected by some of the "crime of jealous passion".
(again, as was reported).

JMO

I don't want to argue/bicker.
It is not my intention.
I was called Rude, so I answered this particular post and presented MY point of view.
I think any grace we lend to her ex partner in terms of him being considered a victim should also be extended to her current partner. In fact, probably more so actually.

We can’t be sure, but I don’t see it as him “tagging along” or him having a nerve, and making things awkward. I see him being a supportive and caring travelling companion, her partner in fact.

In this case, I suspect the dynamic is relevant to what happened to Karen so I think it’s important not to potentially reframe how things were without knowing the facts.

I have confidence this case may yet be solved, let’s hope.
 
  • #767
Such a mystery. I can only hope the police know more than we do. And that they have questioned anybody who may know something - including doctors and lawyers.
I hope they also have good collaboration with South African LE.
 
  • #768

Regarding Karen not wearing makeup that evening of the wine tasting and her murder, April 29, 2025 was a Tuesday. The Les Reines du Foot team held training every Thursday morning and Tuesday evening:

“Deux fois par semaine, le jeudi matin et le mardi soir, elles se retrouvent pour un entraînement d’une heure. « Qu’il y ait de la pluie, du vent, de la boue, on est là ! »”

(Acc to Google Translate: Twice a week—on Thursday mornings and Tuesday evenings—they meet up for a one-hour training session. "Whether there’s rain, wind, or mud, we’re there!") LINK

I know I have suggested this before, but maybe Karen went to her training before going to the wine tasting event, and was short on time to do her full makeup. No makeup can sometimes make someone look more wan, plus she could have been understandably tired from the sports practice. JMO

The Cafe Village schedule listed “entrainement foot” at 1900 hrs (7 pm). Not sure why it’s listed there, as the same article I linked above says the training session was at Calès (which isn’t that far from Tremolat; maybe 5 km (3 miles)?)

“Sur la pelouse grasse du terrain de Calès, situé entre Bergerac et Sarlat, en Dordogne, un entraînement de football comme n’importe quel autre a commencé, ce mardi d’automne.”

(Acc to Google Translate: On the lush turf of the Calès pitch—located between Bergerac and Sarlat, in the Dordogne—a football training session just like any other began this autumn Tuesday.)
Thanks for the info! Since the perp was lying in wait for her to return home I did wonder who else were aware enough of her plans that evening in order to plan her murder. If she attended training before the wine tasting though it is possible that she could have shared that information with one or more of her teammates. Definitely not trying to point fingers or make assumptions but I wonder over the course of the investigation if LE had learned about any interpersonal issues between Karen and any of the other football team members? Did anyone hold a grudge or was dislike or animosity between them? Was it related to their trip to SA, was there a change in their relationship since their return or SA or were arguments heard or known between them?


Also according to an article on the Times, after she parked her car, Karen got out, unlocked her front door and seemingly walked back to get dog before perp brutally assaulted and murdered her. The article implies during the course of these movements, it is seems likely that KC recognized and conversed with her killer shortly before they brutally attacked her. Is it possible that the perp was someone Karen was familiar or friends with? JMO, but it does seem to imply she trusted this person or at least felt safe and comfortable enough to leave her front door unlocked and open, making a second trip back to her car, and thus walk back towards their direction, and turn her back to them as she attempted to picked up her dog. If she felt nervous or unsafe around them or it saw an unexpected stranger waiting for her as she pulled in her car, wouldn’t she have more likely parked, grabbed her dog and attempt to reach her front door in one go instead of going back and forth to her vehicle?

Sadly, it seems IMO that by leaving the front door open, Karen maybe jad expected them to follow her back into the cottage, but not because they were a threat coming after her but because they were a good friend, neighbor, acquaintance or guest whom she warmly welcomed before. Tragically, if true, the perp was unworthy of the trust Karen bestowed upon them and misused it to viciously take away her life and rob her from her loved ones.
Maybe she needed money urgently?

Why did she open a separate new bank account all of a sudden?
Did she owe somebody?
Was she blackmailed?

The hospitality businesses is like a "well with no bottom" money-wise.
Constant repairs, renovations, decoration, staff to pay, insurance, taxes, etc, etc.

Maybe she thought a quick divorce would bring her some extra cash?

She seemed to be desperate.
Why?

I don't think the reason was a husband living far away.

After some time without living together
the divorce is granted automatically, without any problems.
In Law it is called
"Irretrievable breakdown of a marriage"

Which, in their situation, was obvious.
Living on 2 different continents.
(Not to mention an alleged lover glued to her even when she travelled to SA where husband and family live)

So why to hurry?
Why being soooo anxious that even strangers noticed???

🤔

JMO
I wonder if she was rushing the divorce because she was planning on buying a new house and wanted to be the sole owner, since she planned to retire in it, rather than it be property she would have to split or contend over in the divorce settlement, unlike the rentals? Maybe she planned to pay for the new home using the new French bank account as well, since it was only in her name and not shared with AC like her other possibly available bank accounts? Just a guess though

I can understand both perspectives for why people are and are not suspicious to AC. I guess too based on the article below, I can understand too that even though he admitted they were struggling to connect as since they were living countries apart, how the news about KC affair with JFG may have genuinely shocked him since the affair has only unfolded over the past few months, it appears he had spent the summer before in 2024 in Tremolet with Karen and thought things were going well and KC had answered they were just friends when he tried to talk to her about her relationship with JFG. I think too that after being married to someone for so long denial could have played a role, understandably.

I am definitely not saying I ruled in or out any theories regarding her spouse, it was just something else I considered.





 
  • #769
I think any grace we lend to her ex partner in terms of him being considered a victim should also be extended to her current partner. In fact, probably more so actually.

We can’t be sure, but I don’t see it as him “tagging along” or him having a nerve, and making things awkward. I see him being a supportive and caring travelling companion, her partner in fact.

In this case, I suspect the dynamic is relevant to what happened to Karen so I think it’s important not to potentially reframe how things were without knowing the facts.

I have confidence this case may yet be solved, let’s hope.
Well said ,HKP. An excellent post and I thoroughly agree with you.
 
  • #770
mysterious bag
Sorry, I have forgotten about the bag alltogether, do you have a link for the background?

-.-.-
Which bag, I'm also asking.
 
  • #771
Sorry, I have forgotten about the bag alltogether, do you have a link for the background?

-.-.-
Which bag, I'm also asking.

The Bag Under The Bridge. No update about that one since the first mentions.

A new article - main points:

Fourteen people had their saliva samples taken for comparison.

In mid-July, the police called in divers to fish out a mysterious bag below the Trémolat bridge.

M-L is unreachable. Calls to her phone go to voicemail, the gate to her residence is locked with a chain.

The mayor declined to comment, because he didn't like the previous article from this source. J-F also replied that he had nothing to say.

One local that was interviewed believes that Karen knew her killer. Villagers are vigilant and suspicious.


BBM
 
  • #772
The Bag Under The Bridge. No update about that one since the first mentions.



BBM
Thank you! I missed it at the time.
 
  • #773
Thanks for the info! Since the perp was lying in wait for her to return home I did wonder who else were aware enough of her plans that evening in order to plan her murder. If she attended training before the wine tasting though it is possible that she could have shared that information with one or more of her teammates. Definitely not trying to point fingers or make assumptions but I wonder over the course of the investigation if LE had learned about any interpersonal issues between Karen and any of the other football team members? Did anyone hold a grudge or was dislike or animosity between them? Was it related to their trip to SA, was there a change in their relationship since their return or SA or were arguments heard or known between them?


Also according to an article on the Times, after she parked her car, Karen got out, unlocked her front door and seemingly walked back to get dog before perp brutally assaulted and murdered her. The article implies during the course of these movements, it is seems likely that KC recognized and conversed with her killer shortly before they brutally attacked her. Is it possible that the perp was someone Karen was familiar or friends with? JMO, but it does seem to imply she trusted this person or at least felt safe and comfortable enough to leave her front door unlocked and open, making a second trip back to her car, and thus walk back towards their direction, and turn her back to them as she attempted to picked up her dog. If she felt nervous or unsafe around them or it saw an unexpected stranger waiting for her as she pulled in her car, wouldn’t she have more likely parked, grabbed her dog and attempt to reach her front door in one go instead of going back and forth to her vehicle?

Sadly, it seems IMO that by leaving the front door open, Karen maybe jad expected them to follow her back into the cottage, but not because they were a threat coming after her but because they were a good friend, neighbor, acquaintance or guest whom she warmly welcomed before. Tragically, if true, the perp was unworthy of the trust Karen bestowed upon them and misused it to viciously take away her life and rob her from her loved ones.

I wonder if she was rushing the divorce because she was planning on buying a new house and wanted to be the sole owner, since she planned to retire in it, rather than it be property she would have to split or contend over in the divorce settlement, unlike the rentals? Maybe she planned to pay for the new home using the new French bank account as well, since it was only in her name and not shared with AC like her other possibly available bank accounts? Just a guess though

I can understand both perspectives for why people are and are not suspicious to AC. I guess too based on the article below, I can understand too that even though he admitted they were struggling to connect as since they were living countries apart, how the news about KC affair with JFG may have genuinely shocked him since the affair has only unfolded over the past few months, it appears he had spent the summer before in 2024 in Tremolet with Karen and thought things were going well and KC had answered they were just friends when he tried to talk to her about her relationship with JFG. I think too that after being married to someone for so long denial could have played a role, understandably.

I am definitely not saying I ruled in or out any theories regarding her spouse, it was just something else I considered.






The team members were DNA checked,
AFAIR.
Also,
I remember reading that the bag under bridge seemed to have nothing to do with the case.

JMO
 
  • #774
Also according to an article on the Times, after she parked her car, Karen got out, unlocked her front door and seemingly walked back to get dog before perp brutally assaulted and murdered her. The article implies during the course of these movements, it is seems likely that KC recognized and conversed with her killer shortly before they brutally attacked her. Is it possible that the perp was someone Karen was familiar or friends with? JMO, but it does seem to imply she trusted this person or at least felt safe and comfortable enough to leave her front door unlocked and open, making a second trip back to her car, and thus walk back towards their direction, and turn her back to them as she attempted to picked up her dog. If she felt nervous or unsafe around them or it saw an unexpected stranger waiting for her as she pulled in her car, wouldn’t she have more likely parked, grabbed her dog and attempt to reach her front door in one go instead of going back and forth to her vehicle?
SBM. It was 10pm. Karen just got home. A familiar figure suddenly appeared in front of her. Even if they were a close neighbor, I'd be startled by their presence. What are they doing in my driveway (not on the road passing by) at this hour? If it was a friend, why wouldn't they call first? Where did they park? For anyone else, there would be no good reason to be there.
 
  • #775
The team members were DNA checked,
AFAIR.
Also,
I remember reading that the bag under bridge seemed to have nothing to do with the case.

JMO
Thanks for the info. I didn’t realize that like her neighbors in Tremolet, her teammates had their DNA tested and ruled out too. Though I did just catch up on more updates or news I might have missed on the case and that LE interviewed them again in November to assess if potentially anyone she met in SA during the Tour could be responsible for Karen’s assault and murder.

I am not sure though what you are referencing in regards to the bag though. I am not all caught up yet.



 
  • #776
SBM. It was 10pm. Karen just got home. A familiar figure suddenly appeared in front of her. Even if they were a close neighbor, I'd be startled by their presence. What are they doing in my driveway (not on the road passing by) at this hour? If it was a friend, why wouldn't they call first? Where did they park? For anyone else, there would be no good reason to be there.

I think that is why that moment stood out to me and the author. KC may have startled but she also walks to the her front door, unlocks and opens it and then walks back to her car, in the direction of the perp, to get her dog and turns her back on them for a moment to do so. IMO, likely KC wouldn’t have made two trips to the car and thereby walk back in the direction of the perp a second time, or turned her back on them, if she wasn’t familiar with them or felt safe or comfortable around whoever this individual was. I think of this particularly because it was late at night, dark out and her friends, AC and sister-in law have commented KC was known to be precautious and would have shouted for help if someone hadn’t known or expected had approached or scared her. As a result, they theorized it is possible she knew the person who awaited her and may have even been talking to them without realizing she was any danger before the attack occurred.

It also brings into question why didn’t the perp attack her as she was walked towards the front door or immediately after she got out of the car?

JMO/MOO
 
  • #777
I think that is why that moment stood out to me and the author. KC may have startled but she also walks to the her front door, unlocks and opens it and then walks back to her car, in the direction of the perp, to get her dog and turns her back on them for a moment to do so. IMO, likely KC wouldn’t have made two trips to the car and thereby walk back in the direction of the perp a second time, or turned her back on them, if she wasn’t familiar with them or felt safe or comfortable around whoever this individual was. I think of this particularly because it was late at night, dark out and her friends, AC and sister-in law have commented KC was known to be precautious and would have shouted for help if someone hadn’t known or expected had approached or scared her. As a result, they theorized it is possible she knew the person who awaited her and may have even been talking to them without realizing she was any danger before the attack occurred.

It also brings into question why didn’t the perp attack her as she was walked towards the front door or immediately after she got out of the car?

JMO/MOO

Maybe somebody came to resolve certain ultimatum
(one Karen was anxious about)
and not satisfied, attacked.

Just a THEORY!!!!!
Total Speculation!!!!

I still have several theories 🤔

JMO
 
  • #778
I think that is why that moment stood out to me and the author. KC may have startled but she also walks to the her front door, unlocks and opens it and then walks back to her car, in the direction of the perp, to get her dog and turns her back on them for a moment to do so. IMO, likely KC wouldn’t have made two trips to the car and thereby walk back in the direction of the perp a second time, or turned her back on them, if she wasn’t familiar with them or felt safe or comfortable around whoever this individual was. I think of this particularly because it was late at night, dark out and her friends, AC and sister-in law have commented KC was known to be precautious and would have shouted for help if someone hadn’t known or expected had approached or scared her. As a result, they theorized it is possible she knew the person who awaited her and may have even been talking to them without realizing she was any danger before the attack occurred.

It also brings into question why didn’t the perp attack her as she was walked towards the front door or immediately after she got out of the car?

JMO/MOO

I am not sure she saw him. He was standing in the shadow of the trees.
 
  • #779
I think that is why that moment stood out to me and the author. KC may have startled but she also walks to the her front door, unlocks and opens it and then walks back to her car, in the direction of the perp, to get her dog and turns her back on them for a moment to do so. IMO, likely KC wouldn’t have made two trips to the car and thereby walk back in the direction of the perp a second time, or turned her back on them, if she wasn’t familiar with them or felt safe or comfortable around whoever this individual was. I think of this particularly because it was late at night, dark out and her friends, AC and sister-in law have commented KC was known to be precautious and would have shouted for help if someone hadn’t known or expected had approached or scared her. As a result, they theorized it is possible she knew the person who awaited her and may have even been talking to them without realizing she was any danger before the attack occurred.

It also brings into question why didn’t the perp attack her as she was walked towards the front door or immediately after she got out of the car?

JMO/MOO
It was reported that she was retrieving a dog from the car's back seat when she was attacked. IMO she could have been pinned against the car without a chance to escape.
 
  • #780
Thanks for the info! Since the perp was lying in wait for her to return home I did wonder who else were aware enough of her plans that evening in order to plan her murder. If she attended training before the wine tasting though it is possible that she could have shared that information with one or more of her teammates. Definitely not trying to point fingers or make assumptions but I wonder over the course of the investigation if LE had learned about any interpersonal issues between Karen and any of the other football team members? Did anyone hold a grudge or was dislike or animosity between them? Was it related to their trip to SA, was there a change in their relationship since their return or SA or were arguments heard or known between them?


Also according to an article on the Times, after she parked her car, Karen got out, unlocked her front door and seemingly walked back to get dog before perp brutally assaulted and murdered her. The article implies during the course of these movements, it is seems likely that KC recognized and conversed with her killer shortly before they brutally attacked her. Is it possible that the perp was someone Karen was familiar or friends with? JMO, but it does seem to imply she trusted this person or at least felt safe and comfortable enough to leave her front door unlocked and open, making a second trip back to her car, and thus walk back towards their direction, and turn her back to them as she attempted to picked up her dog. If she felt nervous or unsafe around them or it saw an unexpected stranger waiting for her as she pulled in her car, wouldn’t she have more likely parked, grabbed her dog and attempt to reach her front door in one go instead of going back and forth to her vehicle?

Sadly, it seems IMO that by leaving the front door open, Karen maybe jad expected them to follow her back into the cottage, but not because they were a threat coming after her but because they were a good friend, neighbor, acquaintance or guest whom she warmly welcomed before. Tragically, if true, the perp was unworthy of the trust Karen bestowed upon them and misused it to viciously take away her life and rob her from her loved ones.

I wonder if she was rushing the divorce because she was planning on buying a new house and wanted to be the sole owner, since she planned to retire in it, rather than it be property she would have to split or contend over in the divorce settlement, unlike the rentals? Maybe she planned to pay for the new home using the new French bank account as well, since it was only in her name and not shared with AC like her other possibly available bank accounts? Just a guess though

I can understand both perspectives for why people are and are not suspicious to AC. I guess too based on the article below, I can understand too that even though he admitted they were struggling to connect as since they were living countries apart, how the news about KC affair with JFG may have genuinely shocked him since the affair has only unfolded over the past few months, it appears he had spent the summer before in 2024 in Tremolet with Karen and thought things were going well and KC had answered they were just friends when he tried to talk to her about her relationship with JFG. I think too that after being married to someone for so long denial could have played a role, understandably.

I am definitely not saying I ruled in or out any theories regarding her spouse, it was just something else I considered.






As the person, her husband does not seem murder-prone. No prior history of DV, rather, to the contrary.

This being said, we can't negate the possibility of someone next to him "taking matters into "their" hands". Out of "feeling sorry for poor AC who's manipulated".
 

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