France - Maëlys De Araujo, 9, found deceased, Pont-de-Beauvoisin, 27 Aug 2017 #2

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Disparition de Lucas Tronche : les questions qui demeurent après la découverte d'ossements dans le Gard

Disappearance of Lucas Tronche: questions that remain after the discovery of bones in the Gard

The prosecutor of the Republic of Nimes Eric Maurel said Wednesday 23 June that bones, clothes and a bag similar to that of Lucas Tronche, were found in Bagnols-sur-Cèze, 1 km from the home of the teenager of 15 years who vanished in 2015. Analysis is underway and many questions remain.

Years of searching, annual gatherings in the commune and perhaps finally an end to this sad story. On Wednesday 23 June, six years and three months after the disappearance of Lucas Tronche, 15 years of age in the commune of Bagnols-sur-Cèze in the Gard, the Nîmes public prosecutor Eric Maurel announced on Thursday that "bones, a bag and scraps of clothing (...) "strongly resembling" those worn by the teenager on the day of his disappearance had been found on "steep rocky slopes on a cliff about a kilometre from the young man's home."

"The discovery of a body that could be that of Lucas seems to us to put an end to these six years of searching but also of hope,"
the parents of Lucas reacted at the end of the day on Twitter. "Today is the time for silence. This silence, once deafening, is necessary to allow us to gather ourselves, to try to calm ourselves and to continue without him. Analyses have been requested but many questions remain.

On Wednesday 18 March 2015, 15-year-old Lucas Tronche was due to attend a swimming lesson at the municipal pool. He told his older brother, Valentin, 17, that he would meet him at the bus stop. When Valentin did not see him arrive, he texted his brother: "Where are you? The text message sent at 5.27pm went unanswered.

Afterwards, an appeal for witnesses was launched and numerous searches carried out by the police and citizens were unsuccessful. "We had 3,000 volunteers for 15 days after the disappearance of Lucas," according to Jean-Yves Chapelet, the mayor of Bagnols-sur-Cèze, when contacted by LCI.

"Searches were carried out at the top and bottom of the 60-metre-high cliff, but the place where the bones, bag and bits of clothing were found is impossible to access other than by abseiling. That's why we called in the firemen from the Gard, the Groupe de reconnaissance et d'intervention en milieu périlleux, [the Group for Reconnaissance and Intervention in Dangerous Environments] to go there. One of these specialists then saw the backpack," the public prosecutor explained.

Why did they return to this area on Wednesday 24 June? The Lucas Tronche case has been in the hands of a new investigating judge for several months. "This investigating judge decided to fill in the small white spots that remained in the search area, given that these areas were the most difficult to access. The search began almost a week ago. Cliff after cliff was systematically checked by the fire brigade. We had been working horizontally, but this time it was vertical, i.e. areas where only experienced specialists can access," the magistrate detailed on BFM this Friday morning.

On Friday 25 June, the prosecutor added that in addition to the backpack, the debris of clothing and bones, "new elements had been discovered" and "also seem to have belonged to Lucas Tronche. He had not wished to say more at the end of the morning but after leaks in the media, the magistrate finally gave details at the end of the afternoon.

"Beyond the bones, knowing that new bones themselves have been discovered, a jacket has been found. It is now almost certain that this jacket is that of Lucas Tronche. A watch was also discovered very recently and it is almost certain that it is the watch of Lucas Tronche," Eric Maurel said. A backpack was also found, and if there was still some uncertainty about this backpack, it is increasingly likely that it is that of Lucas Tronche. Finally, tennis shoes were found, but there is still some ambiguity as to whether these shoes are those worn by Lucas Tronche. The mother of Lucas Tronche has not formally recognised them but they have not been formally ruled out either. Forensic examinations and genetic samples will make it possible to be certain that the bones found are indeed those of Lucas Tronche.

"We are going to wait for genetic comparisons with forensic and scientific analyses to ensure that the bones found are indeed those of Lucas Tronche. We hope to have these results as soon as possible," the Nîmes public prosecutor told the press.

For the moment, all hypotheses are being considered: that of a death after an accidental fall, that of a suicide, but also the possible intervention of a third party leading to a voluntary or involuntary homicide. "In view of the items that have been found and pending the forensic examinations, it is impossible to favour one hypothesis over another. Was it an accidental fall? The naturet of the terrain makes it possible to envisage this," according to Eric Maurel on Friday afternoon. "If there was an encounter with a third party, either deliberate or accidental, with a third party who pushed Lucas Tronche into the void, we can't rule it out. The only thing I can say, but it's a personal assessment, is that the nature of the terrain makes it difficult to imagine that someone could have carried the body from the bottom of the cliff to the highest point."

Lucas' brother, Valentin Tronche, testified for the first time on Monday 7 June in the programme "Appel à témoins" on M6. He said: "I tell myself that he had planned that he did not want to go swimming and that he wanted to do something that he had not told anyone about." A hypothesis that has not been confirmed at this time. On Wednesday, the Nîmes prosecutor said that the findings had "no connection" with the M6 programme. "This search had indeed been planned for a long time," he repeated.


BBM


From another source:

'A phone that might belong to Lucas' has been found.
The backpack did not contain a towel nor swimming trunks.

Disparition de Lucas Tronche : un téléphone retrouvé et de nouveaux indices
 
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Disparition de Lucas Tronche dans le Gard : un téléphone portable a été retrouvé

Investigations are continuing at the site where bones were found that could be those of Lucas Tronche.

A source close to the investigation has now confirmed that the search teams, mobilised on this steep cliff where bones and shreds of clothing were found, have discovered a mobile phone. It could well be that of the young Lucas Tronche, missing since 18 March 2015, in Bagnols-sur-Cèze.

The investigators also indicate that they have discovered only a few bones, still far from constituting a skeleton. They have not yet found the skull, in particular. They are still waiting for the results of the DNA analysis which should be known shortly.

The search for new findings that could explain the circumstances of the tragedy, is continuing at the site.


BBM

It was said in the description of the disappearance that Lucas left the house without his swimming wear. So no wonder that his trunks and towel were not in the backpack. There is no mystery here.

It was also said that he was wearing white trainers. IMO the shoes that were found likely are his too.


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  • #303
Well if they found the phone - I'm sure that will tell them it IS Lucas...
 
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Well if they found the phone - I'm sure that will tell them it IS Lucas...

It probably will...
IMO it is a miracle that they found anything at all after six years. This is the search area, and these tiny red figures on ropes do the searching. Incredible...

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Disparition de Lucas Tronche : le mystère sur le point d'être résolu, de nouvelles questions émergent


There are still a certain number of questions to which the Nîmes judge, Deborah Cohen, ~ we do not know the trigger that made her undertake searches at this location ~ will have the heavy task of providing answers: she will have to determine if the teenager from Bagnols was the victim of a bad encounter, an accidental fall or chose to commit suicide.

An investigation which is already "complex", according to the prosecutor of the Republic of Nimes, Eric Maurel on Friday morning

A question also arises in Bagnols-sur-Cèze: why have we waited six years and three months to launch these final searches with specialised teams, when a police dog had marked the very night of the disappearance, in March 2015, at the location of the tragedy, when hundreds of volunteers, relatives, and even the legionnaires of the 1st Regiment of Laudun had searched the area?

What about the silhouette seen on the heights by a witness, the same day?


BBM


If there are indeed indications that Lucas was at this location on the day that he disappeared, then he probably died the same day. This would end speculations that he had been roaming in the area for days or even weeks.

IMO it is a strange spot to commit suicide, because you cannot be sure, the slopes are not straight and chances are that you end up in the bushes, alive and badly wounded with nowhere to go.
 
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Boy that is some cliff. I'd have to say considered what you just said about the slopes not being straight & all - I think he probably slipped - accident.

Did anyone mention if he was depressed or anything? If not - accident.
 
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Gard. Disparition : c'est bien le téléphone portable de Lucas Tronche qui a été retrouvé


On Friday, new searches were carried out on the very steep falaise of Bagnols-sur-Cèze, in the Gard, after the discovery of human bones and other objects belonging to Lucas Tronche, the high school student who has been missing since March 2015. A mobile phone in poor condition was found and handed over to the police officers of the Territorial Directorate of the Judicial Police -DTPJ- of Montpellier, in charge of the investigation, as reported by Métropolitain. This Monday, the prosecutor of the Republic of Nimes, Eric Maurel revealed that it is indeed the mobile phone of the teenager.

Furthermore, the device has been formally identified by the parents of Lucas Tronche.

On Thursday and Friday, in addition to the bones scattered over a large area on a cliff located 1 km as the crow flies from the family home, the searches recovered a jacket, the remains of a watch, a backpack, and shreds of clothing belonging to the high school student. His family did not recognise a pair of trainers as having belonged to him, or at least as being the ones he was wearing on the night of his disappearance. But, as the damage to the telephone attests, for six years the elements have been passing over the area. The conclusions of the forensic and genetic expertise from a DNA trace isolated intact on the backpack will be known in a few days, or weeks, and hopefully unravel the mystery of the disappearance of Lucas Tronche.


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Affaire Lucas Tronche : l'analyse ADN des ossements confirme qu'il s'agit bien du corps de l'adolescent


Lucas Tronche case: DNA analysis of bones confirms these are the remains of the teenager


Bones were discovered a fortnight ago in Bagnols-sur-Cèze. The DNA analysis confirms, according to M6, that it is indeed the body of Lucas Tronche, the teenager reported missing since March 2015.

On Thursday 24 June last, in the morning, "bones that may be of human origin, debris of clothing and a bag similar to that of Lucas Tronche" were found in the town of Bagnols-sur-Cèze, on rocky cliffs. Forensic and possibly genetic examinations of the bones have been carried out. According to M6, the DNA expertise confirms that it is indeed the body of the teenager who has been missing since March 2015 when he was supposed to go to a swimming lesson.


It is now up to the investigators to try to determine the precise circumstances of this tragedy.


BBM
 
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Lucas Tronche : après les révélations de l'ADN, les recherches se focalisent autour du portable et du crâne


"Today comes the time of silence. This silence, once deafening, is necessary to allow us to gather ourselves, to try to calm ourselves and to go on without him. We will never forget our beloved Lucas," they said in a statement. This Thursday, the only statements came from the association Retrouvons Lucas: "We thank you for respecting the wish of withdrawal and silence of the parents of Lucas in these particularly painful moments.

The certainty of Lucas' death does not seal the end of the investigation conducted by the police of the Montpellier territorial directorate of the judicial police and the central office for the fight against violence against people (OCRVP).

On this rocky cliff several dozen metres high, located 800 m from the family home, the searches have not stopped. They continued all week, on the most difficult areas to explore. "The Grimp fire brigade has finished exploring the most inaccessible places," said a source close to the investigation. "We are continuing on site, after having had the area cleared of brush by the town's technical services".

A painstaking search, that has not achieved its objective, will continue for several more days. The investigators want to reconstruct the skeleton of the missing young man, whose remains have been scattered by the weather and animals. Forensic scientists can examine the bones for possible ante-mortem injuries and perhaps explain some of what happened to the teenager. But for now, the teen's skull remains missing.

The other hope lies in the examination of Lucas' phone, also found at the scene at the end of June. This iPhone has been entrusted by the investigating judge to a private expert, who will try to extract any data stored on it, if time and weather have not damaged it too much.

"Its contents could be very interesting if we manage to recover photos, text messages, and possible conversation threads on messaging applications."

This could reveal whether Lucas was meeting anyone on 18 March 2015, which would open up new avenues for the investigation.

The contents of his backpack, "very degraded and very damaged", did not provide anything new.

"We would like to understand, and the hypothesis of an accident seems the most likely," admitted an investigator. "Even if we may never know what happened.



BBM
 
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Every now and then I look up a name on Niner's list to see if there is any news about the missing person.

Monique Thibert

Monique Thibert, 62, councillor of Hauteville, suddenly disappeared during a hike on 2 June 2015. However, the facts did not occur on our territory, but in the Grand Morgon massif, in the Hautes Alpes. Monique was a bit ahead of the group she was part of, and the alert was given very quickly. Despite the deployment of a very vast search operation on a clearly identified territory, she was never found. Tuesday around 14:30-15:00. She was hiking in the commune of Crots (Hautes Alpes) when she was lost from sight by her friends during the descent of the Grand Morgon, sector of the relay and the Barn. Crots, where Monique Thibert disappeared, is 200 kms south of Chambéry. She lived in Hauteville Lompnes, in the Bugey area, (where Anne-Charlotte Poncin disappeared), 70 kms north of Chambéry.
Family at 4/27/18 Lyon meeting.
2/12/20: NL has been ruled as suspect in this case.

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Apparently, no one ever mentions Nordahl Lelandais anymore in the disappearance of Monique Thibert and one wonders why she ever made the list as a possible victim:


Disparus de Boscodon : la découverte d'ossements et d'une basket continue d'alimenter le mystère

In the small village of Crots, located in the heart of the Parpaillon massif, between the Serre-Ponçon lake and the Boscodon forest, a certain psychosis has set in following the disappearances, according to Benedikte Bégué, director of Mont'Âne, a hiking centre. "Not so long ago, a tourist asked me outright if this was where people were disappearing," she says. And she continues: "Actually, it's not so much the tourists who are worried, but the locals. Many people don't dare to go into the forest to walk or pick mushrooms anymore!

In the space of 25 years, six people have disappeared in the forest of Boscodon. Four have never been found. They are Monique Thibert (2015), Marie Christine Camus (2016), Cédric Delahaie (2020) and Laurence Klamm (2020). The latter, aged 60, was a "local" woman and an experienced walker who regularly hiked with her husband, a mountain guide.

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BBM



Meanwhile, the remains of Cédric Delahaie have been found and identified. Mid-July another skeleton was found in the Boscodon woods, believed to be a female skeleton. Result of the autopsie and DNA are pending.
 
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I'll change my notes on Monique's connection to NL - has he been ruled out? I just re-read my notes - and I don't understand "why" she would be included in his victims list.

And dang - thought I'd come here & see a date for hearing for NL. Oh well! :)
 
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I'll change my notes on Monique's connection to NL - has he been ruled out? I just re-read my notes - and I don't understand "why" she would be included in his victims list.

And dang - thought I'd come here & see a date for hearing for NL. Oh well! :)

It is in your own notes that NL has been ruled out in her case. I was a bit surprised to read it, perhaps the Big CPG (copypaste ghost) has struck again?
Still it is really strange that whoever it was ever saw a connection with NL.

A friendly warning: I may post more about other alleged victims, so don't be disappointed if there is no date for a hearing..... :p
 
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@ZaZara - okay - I won't get anxious when I see a post here! :D

I shall correct my notes that NL has nothing to do with Monique missing.

I think I'll just take her off completely - or should I just leave it on my list?
 
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@ZaZara - okay - I won't get anxious when I see a post here! :D

I shall correct my notes that NL has nothing to do with Monique missing.

I think I'll just take her off completely - or should I just leave it on my list?


I checked, and indeed both Monique Thibert and Kevin Fauvel were excluded as victims from NL. You have listed them both as such, well done! No need for correction. No need to get anxious, take a break and have a cuppa!

IMO leave her on the list. Leave them both. It is good to see the developments. Even if NL wasn't involved, we would like to see these cases solved! Would be tough on the families if they were told it wasn't Lelandais, so bye!

BTW I'm still not convinced that little Maëlys and Arthur Noyer were his only victims. Maybe yes, maybe no.
 
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Okay - will leave them on the list. I too am not convinced that Maelys & Noyer are his only victims either....
 
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Forêt de Boscodon: les ossements retrouvés en juillet sont ceux de deux femmes disparues

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This Wednesday he forensic examinations made it possible to determine that the bones found in July were those of Marie-Christine Camus and Laurence Klamm.

New bones had been discovered on 12 and 19 July in the forest of Boscodon and the Morgon massif. After forensic examination, they have been identified, according to the prosecutor of Gap on Wednesday.

The first belonged to Marie-Christine Camus, missing since December 25, 2016. As regards this discovery, the investigation is continuing "within the framework of a judicial inquiry entrusted to the investigating judge of Gap following a civil party's request," Florent Crouhy said in a statement.

The second skeleton found is that of Laurence Klamm, who has been missing since late November 2020. "This preliminary investigation, as well as the one into the discovery of the lifeless body of Mr Cedric Delahaie, did not allow us to determine the exact circumstances of the deaths, but no suspicious elements were found. The hypotheses of an accident or suicide are therefore still favoured," the Gap prosecutor emphasised.

The bones and shoe of Cédric Delahaie, a hiker who has been missing since autumn 2020, were also discovered in July near the town of Crots.

In total, six people have disappeared without explanation in the Boscodon forest over the last twenty-five years.


BBM


Monique Thibert remains missing.

According to lawyer Bernard Boulloud:

'...., since 8 April 2020 for the disappearance of Marie-Christine Camus and 18 January last for that of Monique Thibert, the Dean of the Investigating Judges of Gap has opened a judicial investigation against X - following a complaint by each of the two families that I am assisting - for "arrest, kidnapping, sequestration or arbitrary detention," with the establishment of a civil party.'

Disparus des Hautes-Alpes : l'avocat de Montpellier et des familles reçus par le procureur
 
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Nord-Isère. L’émouvant message de la maman de la petite Maëlys quatre ans après sa disparition

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A slideshow of photos showing the tender memories of a dark-haired girl with laughing eyes. Topped by her mother's words of love and anger. Four years ago, to the day, Maëlys de Araujo was kidnapped during a wedding in Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère), then murdered. Her mother, this Friday afternoon, posted a message on Facebook in which she pays tribute to the girl: "4 years my chicken that you were torn from life by this monster at the dawn of your 9 years. You were my ray of sunshine and a part of my heart was extinguished that horrible day. I miss the way you looked at me, your tenderness, your love, your humour, your joy of living, everything that made you my child, my daughter, my pride.

She also expressed her expectation of the trial of Nordahl Lelandais, without ever mentioning his name. Accused of the abduction and murder of the girl, he will be tried for it from 31 January to 11 February 2022, by the Assize Court of Isère, in Grenoble.


BBM



RIP Maëlys
 
  • #317
Isère. Échirolles : une battue sur les traces de Nicolas et Malik, dix ans après…

A search for Nicolas and Malik, ten years after...

Nine and eleven years respectively since the disappearance of Malik Boutvillain and Nicolas Suppo, 70 police officers have combed the Frange-Verte in an attempt to find improbable traces or clues that could help their investigations.

A search was organised in the Frange-Verte park, where the two people from Echirolles used to visit regularly before their mysterious disappearance.

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BBM


The rest of the article from June 2 is behind a paywall. No news from a later date, IMO the search yielded nothing.
 
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Mort de Lucas Tronche dans le Gard : cette nouvelle hypothèse qui pourrait expliquer la cause de son décès

The mystery about the circumstances of the death of the 16-year-old teenager may never be solved. He disappeared on 18 March 2015 and his remains were found on 24 June on the steep side of a cliff less than a kilometre from the family home.

Since the discovery of Lucas' remains, police officers from the Montpellier Criminal Investigation Department and the Central Office for the Repression of Violence against Persons (OCRVP) have been trying to unravel the details of the tragedy.

According to information gathered by Midi Libre, the analysis of Lucas Tronche's phone, found on 26 June last on the cliff where the remains of the teenager had been discovered two days previously, has not provided the investigators with any information. "Nothing in this partial examination allows us to know more about that day: no date, no meeting, no threat or particular project," a well-informed source told Midi Libre.

A new hypothesis is being studied: that of an accident that occurred while trying to take a selfie. "From the top of the cliff, you can see their house. Did he fall while trying to take a picture of himself, with the house in the background? The absence of any photo in Lucas' iPhone does not allow this hypothesis to be validated "even if we cannot exclude that Lucas could have fallen before switching his phone back on."

The 16-year-old had disappeared on 18 March 2015, at around 5pm, after deciding not to go with his older brother to their weekly pool session. His brother said that in the afternoon Lucas had appeared to be busy on his phone, which he then switched off at 5.16pm.

The body of the teenager was not found until six years later, during a search carried out at the request of the investigating judge in Nîmes, Déborah Cohen, by firefighters, who went abseiling down the 80-metre-high cliff, located about a kilometre from the family home.


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  • #319
Maëlys - Nordahl Lelandais case: An extraordinary trial developed

Jan. 10, 2022
The former soldier was already sentenced to 20 years in prison last May for the murder of Arthur Noyer.

Grenoble Court is preparing for an extraordinary trial. Nordahl LelandaisIzir will appear in court at the end of January, “before the murder of Mailis de Aravzo”, who abducted an eight-year-old child who was murdered on March 38, 2017.
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In the same summer of 2017, a former military dog handler is under investigation for sexually abusing two of his five- and six-year-old cousins and for possessing and recording child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.
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The Grenoble trial promises to be even more so His actions And the age of the victim, coupled with his opaque personality and reputation. According to Pascal Verne, the first chairman of the Grenoble Court of Appeals, “the main challenge of the existence of the media” is that there are already more than 130 journalists for about thirty media outlets.
[.....]
The trial is scheduled for three weeks (January 31 to February 18). “You have no idea how an ear goes. (…) For safety, we wanted to count three weeks, even if it was already over,” Ms Verne explains.


Sorry about the "weird" English in this paper....
 
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