GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[MikeF]

I'm not surprised we get 2 different accounts of his speed from an Elite NFL athlete and from another family member. NFL Safeties are generally Fast fast. In the cousin's opinion AA, even if considered fast by normal standards, would be likely considered slow. All IMO

Agreed.

 

[ilovewings]

Actually it was his uncle that said it.



The killing of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black jogger in Georgia, explained[/QUOTE

Actually it was his uncle that said it.



The killing of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black jogger in Georgia, explained

Here is the sentence that cause me extreme anger and profound sadness for a needless death:
they followed him because THEY BELIEVED HE WAS A SUSPSECT in 2 burglaries in the Satilla Shores Area

THE BELIEVED- THEY BELIEVED

on what freaking basis did THEY BELIVE?
they chased a man for FOUR MINUTES BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED?

I cannot get over it- they had not one scintilla of evidence- what the heck- how outrageous-- and who the h---are they to have chased this poor man and shot him to death???

It is so outrageous as to be incomprehensible

It is heart breaking.

 

[sds71]

@bridgetteANjax

More video showing the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery is out there according to his family attorney. It will not be released to the public.
@ActionNewsJax at 5:00

 

[firebird]

@bridgetteANjax

More video showing the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery is out there according to his family attorney. It will not be released to the public.
@ActionNewsJax at 5:00

If it helped the prosecution, they'd release it, imo.

 

[Hope4More]

@bridgetteANjax

More video showing the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery is out there according to his family attorney. It will not be released to the public.
@ActionNewsJax at 5:00

I can't find any verification of this as fact, including on the SM of both family attorneys. Both those attorneys have basically speculated before that more video exists, but not stated definitively that it does. At least, not that I've seen. Any additional links?

 

[Hope4More]

If it helped the prosecution, they'd release it, imo.

Doesn't it seem to you it would be silly (ok, absurd)
for AA family attorneys to be the only ones speaking (if they are) about additional/new video of the shooting itself if that's so?

Plus, additional video of the shooting itself would have to provide a view of TM's first shot at AA to add anything to what is known. And such a view wouldn't change anything for the defense legally, unless it showed TM putting his gun down before AA charged him (maybe not even then), or if it provided audio of TM telling AA he just wanted to talk things over. jmo

 

[sds71]

I can't find any verification of this as fact, including on the SM of both family attorneys. Both those attorneys have basically speculated before that more video exists, but not stated definitively that it does. At least, not that I've seen. Any additional links?

Merritt also said the video showing Arbery’s death is longer than the version publicly released, though he did not disclose any more about the video. He said the district attorney asked him to not discuss what it showed.
Arbery family attorneys continue calling for arrest of man who filmed Arbery’s death

 

[sds71]

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Other videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case will not be released until trial or when the investigation into Arbery’s death is finished.
Action News Jax learned another video showing a second angle in the Arbery’s shooting was taken, according to Arbery family attorney Lee Merritt.

More videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case show the fatal shooting at different angles, according to attorney

 

[firebird]

Doesn't it seem to you it would be silly (ok, absurd)
for AA family attorneys to be the only ones speaking (if they are) about additional/new video of the shooting itself if that's so?

Plus, additional video of the shooting itself would have to provide a view of TM's first shot at AA to add anything to what is known. And such a view wouldn't change anything for the defense legally, unless it showed TM putting his gun down before AA charged him (maybe not even then), or if it provided audio of TM telling AA he just wanted to talk things over. jmo

No. They know it's there, and they know they'll try to spin it as favorably as possible when it all comes out. They also know the prosecution can't release it, so they're trying to embed a narrative in peoples' minds before they see the actual video. I've seen these two lawyers in action enough to know their mo. jmo

 

[sds71]

Nice guy gets results dealing with crooks:

"I try to treat everybody with respect," McMichael said. "Regardless of whether they're the worst kind of criminal, I find I can get what I want out of [people] if I treat them with respect. Even the worst kind of criminal is still a person."
"The thing that takes up most of my time is trying to find people. I hunt people for a living," McMichael said. "People that don't want to come to court will try to avoid me."
If they had executed the guy when it first happened I would have certainly been there," McMichael said.
Now, he's not so sure.
"Part of me wants to and another part of me would rather not see somebody die. I'm sure that when the time comes it will be a difficult decision for me to make. In all likelihood I will go to give myself some closure."
Nice guy gets results dealing with crooks

 

[Cryptic]

As Mr. Gough, Esquire knows, lie detector tests are meaningless. Well, other than going that route as a cheap & transparent media ploy.

Roddy could use a more competent attorney, IMO. Gough's current defense argument amounts to this: Roddy wasn't involved with or aware of the neighborhood's collective or individual Catch the Trespasser efforts.

Well said. I think amore effective presentation would be something like:

My client knew that GM was retired law enforcement-and knew that he had recently been "re-deputized" to respond to trespassers.

My client then impulsively joined the chase only after GM had repeatedly pointed out the trespasser and called for him to be detained. In joining the chase, my client sincerely believed that he was under the direction of a police officer.

My client was not armed and made one attempt to trap AA (at GM's direct command- of course). My client then was shocked at GM's needless escalation and dropped back.

He was then horrified at the actions that GM and TM later took. My client is now eager to talk to the DA. She should call my office immediately....

 

[Hope4More]

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Other videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case will not be released until trial or when the investigation into Arbery’s death is finished.
Action News Jax learned another video showing a second angle in the Arbery’s shooting was taken, according to Arbery family attorney Lee Merritt.

More videos in the Ahmaud Arbery case show the fatal shooting at different angles, according to attorney

Thanks for the link. I watched Merritt speak. I don't trust Fox as a news source so skipped the rest (it didn't help their credibility to get it wrong in their
little snippet of written story that AA was actually tazed).

I'll believe there is actually new video of the shooting itself, when sources for the State say so, or at trial, whichever comes first.

Especially since I don't see how another, real-time video of the shooting itself could have been taken, at least, not with a clear, front of the truck view. There were no vehicles in front of GM's truck to be seen in Roddy's video, nor witnesses standing out on lawns, and no witnesses interviewed by LE (initially) who lived on either Buford or Holmes. GM was using his phone on a 911 call, and TM's hands were full of shotgun. Even if Roddy could have made 2 videos- say, with a dashcam as well as on his phone, the pov's wouldn't capture in front of GM's truck.

So who and how another video? Color me sceptical. ETA: the only person I can imagine taking additional video of some part of the pursuit would be Perez. Given that he was in his car and driving around/on the roads involved for the entire time (1:05PM till about 1:22PM (or slightly later), it's possible he video-taped some part of something. But...neither he or his SUV are visible in Roddy's video.

 

[casesensitive]

The attempted police taser video from three years ago shows that Ahmaud has the courage and conviction to stick up for his rights when he hasn't done anything wrong. Although he voiced his indignation, he complied to police commands. The stunned, fearful look on his face (matched by mine) when he realized that the cop had actually fired the defective taser while his arms were outstretched would leave him with another emotional scar of experienced injustice.

I'm pretty sure that he felt that he didn't have to comply to orders to "stop" from what he perceived were white racist vigilantes when he again, had done nothing wrong. Unfortunately, he may not have realized that they were armed and would leave their truck to confront him with a shotgun, in broad daylight, on a residential street. In that moment, I don't doubt that AA felt fear for his life and self-survival kicked in to disarm the person. It was a logical reaction that he couldn't trust not being shot even if he complied. MOO

ETA to add video of failed taser attempt

Exclusive: Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows | Ahmaud Arbery | The Guardian

 

[Nadi]

Nice guy gets results dealing with crooks:

"I try to treat everybody with respect," McMichael said. "Regardless of whether they're the worst kind of criminal, I find I can get what I want out of [people] if I treat them with respect. Even the worst kind of criminal is still a person."
"The thing that takes up most of my time is trying to find people. I hunt people for a living," McMichael said. "People that don't want to come to court will try to avoid me."
If they had executed the guy when it first happened I would have certainly been there," McMichael said.
Now, he's not so sure.
"Part of me wants to and another part of me would rather not see somebody die. I'm sure that when the time comes it will be a difficult decision for me to make. In all likelihood I will go to give myself some closure."
Nice guy gets results dealing with crooks

That didn't age well.

 

[Hope4More]

Well said. I think amore effective presentation would be something like:

My client knew that GM was retired law enforcement-and knew that he had recently been "re-deputized" to respond to trespassers.

My client then impulsively joined the chase only after GM had repeatedly pointed out the trespasser and called for him to be detained. In joining the chase, my client sincerely believed that he was under the direction of a police officer.

My client was not armed and made one attempt to trap AA (at GM's direct command- of course). My client then was shocked at GM's needless escalation and dropped back.

He was then horrified at the actions that GM and TM later took. My client is now eager to talk to the DA. She should call my office immediately....

I'll be your co-counsel for Roddy's defense.

Slight adjustments to your presentation:

1. About Roddy's knowledge of GM - perfect.
2. About how/why he joined in the chase:

My client was in his front yard, was alerted to something amiss by the sound of yelling, so was immediately on guard. GM shouted something at him as he sped by, TM driving, but he couldn't tell what was going on. Being unsure, he didn't call 911, but did get in his truck. He was pulling out and about to head in the direction they had gone in, when somehow he got in the middle of things, and as he found out afterwards, accidentally blocked AA from running in that direction.

3. My client heard and saw what seemed like escalation by GM and TM, but still didn't understand what was happening. So, he followed GM and TM, but dropped back. He decided to begin video-taping what was going on when he saw the MMs speed past and get in front of AA.

Truthfully, my client became concerned that the MMs had pulled him into a dangerous situation, so the videotaping was to protect himself as well as to capture what was going on.

He was shocked to round the bend and see TM outside the truck, in the middle of the road, with his shotgun, and to see GM standing up in back of the truck, also armed.

He swerved his truck to the side to try to avoid putting himself in danger or contributing to the confusion in what was already a bad situation that was quickly getting worse.


My client, like everyone who has seen his video, was horrified by what came next and what he saw. He wishes he had called 911 the first instant he saw AA being chased by the MMs, and will always regret that he didn't, even if that might not have changed the outcome, given how quickly everything happened.

He is of course eager to cooperate with the DA in any way he can. Not just to clear his own name, but because he fully agrees there must be justice done in this case for AA, and for his family.

(Am I hired?)

 

[MikeF]

Imo. I'm pretty sure GM did know who it was. GM was involved as a DA investigator in his felony gun conviction a few years earlier.

In your opinion do you think if the police got there before MM's, that they just would of let him go after he was caught for trespassing IF AA was on probation?

I don't think so. They would have probably called his probation officer and went to jail IF he was on probation.

I've tried to find information on that conviction is there a link? Thanks.

 

[Matic]

I've tried to find information on that conviction is there a link? Thanks.

Not sure where to find the actual court documents. I mentioned it was 2018, but it was 2017 when he was convicted of shoplifting a 65 in flat screen.

It's in the thread somewhere. Possibly #1.

 

[MikeF]

Not sure where to find the actual court documents. I mentioned it was 2018, but it was 2017 when he was convicted of shoplifting a 65 in flat screen.

It's in the thread somewhere. Possibly #1.

Thanks I was able to backtrack a bit, saw the TV stuff but then hit a dead link (maybe a deleted post?) so couldn't find the conviction link. Hopefully someone else can toss up the link. Thanks though.

 

[Falling Down]

LE harassing and trying to use force against AA because of suspected drug use (based entirely on where AA parked his car that AM) gets more ironic by the day.

I was pulled over in my hometown late one night, after I'd stopped by a store.

Similar situation, I "looked like a drug dealer", as if that's a valid reason to pull someone over. I later complained to the PD, and was brushed off. Luckily nothing came of it, like planting drugs or what have you.

Some years later the chief of police, and several cops within that PD, were thrown in prison for all manner of illegal activities, imagine some of the worst things a PD can do to violate the public trust, they did it. The PD in that town of 100K had to be cleaned up, then it took some time for trust to be restored.

I have a sneaking suspicion a wound has been opened in Brunswick County, GA. There will be a major investigation of LE there in the wake of this case, by GBI and maybe even the U.S. DoJ.

 

[Falling Down]

Echoing your statement - And he shouldn't have backed down . He was unarmed, they were armed, and they were not law enforcement. He was being threatened. Put your own young adult child (son, daughter, regardless of skin color) in that situation. Would you really expect your kid to just submit to whatever a bunch of armed men want? I was taught to never allow myself to be taken to another location. They had guns and vehicles - who knows what they had in mind? Is that the culture we want - highwaymen get to have their way because they are armed? And do we really want highwaymen chasing any of us down...just because? Is that defensible?

I felt like I was watching an old episode of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom when I first watched the video.