GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[Boxer]

Does TM really have any need to know the serial number at this point? He obviously didn’t turn it into insurance or fill out a police report, he’s not going to get reimbursed.

Yes.
His 9 millimeter is now apparently out there loose. A beat cop or gas station clerk might be glad for it being tracable.

 

[Boxer]

IMHO, it shows that he may not be a responsible gun owner.

I think number might get lost but with a little effort I think he could get it for the police report. And he locked his truck.

 

[sds71]

McMichael’s personnel file, which stretches back to the year he was employed by the Brunswick district attorney’s office, also gives insights into his general performance as an employee and other training he received on the job.
For example, the records indicate McMichael completed only one training course in the use of de-escalation tactics, but completed four courses devoted to “understanding Islamist terrorism” and another on “introduction to terrorism”.
His annual reviews from superiors present a mixed track record and his overall performance is never rated above “good”. One November 2000 review notes: “Needs to improve his organization and prioritization of his workload.” Multiple reports describe a lack of organizational skills.
McMichaels file:
McMichael Personnel File_Redacted.pdf

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

 

[MsBetsy]

McMichael’s personnel file, which stretches back to the year he was employed by the Brunswick district attorney’s office, also gives insights into his general performance as an employee and other training he received on the job.
For example, the records indicate McMichael completed only one training course in the use of de-escalation tactics, but completed four courses devoted to “understanding Islamist terrorism” and another on “introduction to terrorism”.
His annual reviews from superiors present a mixed track record and his overall performance is never rated above “good”. One November 2000 review notes: “Needs to improve his organization and prioritization of his workload.” Multiple reports describe a lack of organizational skills.
McMichaels file:
McMichael Personnel File_Redacted.pdf

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

For some reason I'm not surprised that he only completed one training course in the use of de-escalation tactics.

 

[jaxibear]

I think number might get lost but with a little effort I think he could get it for the police report. And he locked his truck.

Fair enough. At the very least, I hope people who are reading this and own firearms take the time to record the serial numbers. I know not everyone thinks of what could happen if their guns are stolen.

 

[sonicfanaticsmommy]

Travis McMichael did have direct knowledge of what he thought was a crime in progress. His 911 call establishes that without a doubt.

LISTEN: 911 Dispatcher Doesn’t Understand What Arbery Is ‘Doing Wrong’

Travis: There's a guy in a house right now. There's a house under construction.

911 Dispatcher: do you have your address or the other — that house's address?

Travis: Uh, right at 219 or 220 Satilla Drive.

911 Dispatcher: And you say someone's breaking into it right now?

Travis: No, it's all open and it's under construction and he's running right now. There he goes right now.

911 Dispatcher: OK. What is he doing?

Travis: He's running down the street.​

(Interference)

911 Dispatcher: OK. That's fine. I'll get them out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong.​

THIS is where the chain of events started, not with previous surveillance video that the McMichaels had never seen. They were surely aware that there had been crime in the neighborhood, and certainly Travis might have been influenced by his personal bias. But when this gets to trial the question isn’t going to be whether he had reasonable suspicion that a crime had occurred nor whether he was legally justified in pursuing - the question is going to be whether his specific actions were appropriate. They’re going to need to convince a jury that approaching their suspect was reasonable and that’s going to be a hard sell.

yeah, because it wasn’t reasonable. that’s why they were charged with murder when someone who isn’t their friend investigated what happened.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Does TM really have any need to know the serial number at this point? He obviously didn’t turn it into insurance or fill out a police report, he’s not going to get reimbursed.

Yes. Hello. That gun could be anywhere used in a murder,and now any murder committed by said gun will go unsolved. I honestly would not be surprised if it was used illegally before it got 'stolen'. Knowing where this investigation is at now. MOO.

 

[Matic]

Fair enough. At the very least, I hope people who are reading this and own firearms take the time to record the serial numbers. I know not everyone thinks of what could happen if their guns are stolen.

There's a few reasons I don't have mine recorded as of today.

I don't live in a high crime area.

Good luck getting onto the 1st few feet of my property, then getting into the house.
If you get in the house, good luck finding any guns.

My CC gun is on me 90% of the time, even at home. (CWP holder for over 30 years) That's how I was trained. You wear it so much that you don't even know you have it on.

It's never, ever left in any of my vehicles under any circumstances.

By now, I know what businesses in my area who do and don't support my 2nd amendment right to carry.
Those establishments who don't allow me to carry, don't get my business.

That being said, as I mentioned earlier..Ill make time soon to record them all.

 

[Boxer]

Travis McMichael did have direct knowledge of what he thought was a crime in progress. His 911 call establishes that without a doubt.

LISTEN: 911 Dispatcher Doesn’t Understand What Arbery Is ‘Doing Wrong’

Travis: There's a guy in a house right now. There's a house under construction.

911 Dispatcher: do you have your address or the other — that house's address?

Travis: Uh, right at 219 or 220 Satilla Drive.

911 Dispatcher: And you say someone's breaking into it right now?

Travis: No, it's all open and it's under construction and he's running right now. There he goes right now.

911 Dispatcher: OK. What is he doing?

Travis: He's running down the street.​

(Interference)

911 Dispatcher: OK. That's fine. I'll get them out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong.​

THIS is where the chain of events started, not with previous surveillance video that the McMichaels had never seen. They were surely aware that there had been crime in the neighborhood, and certainly Travis might have been influenced by his personal bias. But when this gets to trial the question isn’t going to be whether he had reasonable suspicion that a crime had occurred nor whether he was legally justified in pursuing - the question is going to be whether his specific actions were appropriate. They’re going to need to convince a jury that approaching their suspect was reasonable and that’s going to be a hard sell.

So Perez calls Travis and Travis calls 911. Then GM sees AA and says "there he goes, get a gun, lets go."
And off they go for tresspassing, which a life long cop does not remember isn't a felony. Nor does he think about the risk or downside for his son if it all goes sideways. GM had his young life, risk was not the same.

 

[Matic]

I'm curious about 2 things.

If some was at say Wal-Mart. They are walking around the store maybe around the jewelry section and no one is there.

If they snag up a couple items, like maybe $1000 worth of small stuff, put it in there pockets and continue around the store.

Easily caught on video but not by any staff.

What if they got spooked for some reason and managed to put it back. Also on video but not caught by staff.

Was a crime actually commited if the perps left the store empty handed and only employees who watched it happen on video know about it?

 

[Matic]

Here's an article on GM missing his training classes and his 2 heart attacks/clinical depression.

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

 

[Cryptic]

Was a crime actually commited if the perps left the store empty handed and only employees who watched it happen on video know about it?

It may depend on the state.

I believe that in my state, shoplifters must leave the store (defined as going beyond the registers) with out paying for the items. Simply pocketing items and later discarding them, is frowned upon, but not theft.

 

[Matic]

New article from TM's Lawyer.

Lawyer for Georgia man accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery says 'facts will come out'

 

[Hope4More]

It's astonishing that gun owners feel no need and aren't required to have serial numbers ready to produce if their guns are stolen.

That said, the fact TM couldn't produce a serial number is the least of what was hinky about the supposed theft of his gun.

It was supposedly his gun and his truck and it was he who left a gun in his truck. Supposedly. His father is not only ex-LE. He is ex-LE in the same county of responding LE to the supposed theft, who had been publically humiliated and had his badge taken away not once but twice for negligence.

If TM's gun was stolen (and I really doubt that it was), why wouldn't he take responsibility himself for the theft, rather than to allow his father to be embarassed at best by being reported to LE as the one so careless as to allow a gun to be stolen? In a neighborhood undergoing "a rash of break-ins and burglaries"?

 

[Boxer]

New article from TM's Lawyer.

Lawyer for Georgia man accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery says 'facts will come out'

I would like more facts to come out.
Here is one fact that probably won't change: Getting out of his truck with a shotgun to stop AA from proceeding down the street was foolish. TM called 911 and police were on the way.
The arriving police heard the shots. That is how close everyone's lives were to remaining normal.

 

[Matic]

It's astonishing that gun owners feel no need and aren't required to have serial numbers ready to produce if their guns are stolen.

That said, the fact TM couldn't produce a serial number is the least of what was hinky about the supposed theft of his gun.

It was supposedly his gun and his truck and it was he who left a gun in his truck. Supposedly. His father is not only ex-LE. He is ex-LE in the same county of responding LE to the supposed theft, who had been publically humiliated and had his badge taken away not once but twice for negligence.

If TM's gun was stolen (and I really doubt that it was), why wouldn't he take responsibility himself for the theft, rather than to allow his father to be embarassed at best by being reported to LE as the one so careless as to allow a gun to be stolen? In a neighborhood undergoing "a rash of break-ins and burglaries"?

So what is your reason as to what happened to the gun?

Was there no gun at all?
Did they hide the gun and file a false report to make it look like there were more thefts in the neighborhood than there really was?

I see no reason why you would lie and say a gun was stolen that didn't exit or fabricate a story for other reasons.

LE have had plenty of time now and probably turned that house upside down. No news about any gun found.

 

[Matic]

I would like more facts to come out.
Here is one fact that probably won't change: Getting out of his truck with a shotgun to stop AA from proceeding down the street was foolish. TM called 911 and police were on the way.
The arriving police heard the shots. That is how close everyone's lives were to remaining normal.

I would also.
Especially what's on that 02:50 seconds of video that's missing from the camera footage inside the house.

If it even exists anymore.

 

[Boxer]

I would also.
Especially what's on that 02:50 seconds of video that's missing from the camera footage inside the house.

If it even exists anymore.

Why would it be gone?

 

[kaen]

Do you know anyone with firearms?
Go ask them if you can see one. And then ask them if they know or can provide you with the serial #.

Most people I know who own guns do know the serial number--not off the top of their head but have it written down. Not having a record of your gun's serial number means that it can't get back to you if stolen and recovered by police. Additionally, depending on the state you may have a civil liability if the gun is used in a crime. GA doesn't require reporting.

 

[Matic]

I would like more facts to come out.
Here is one fact that probably won't change: Getting out of his truck with a shotgun to stop AA from proceeding down the street was foolish. TM called 911 and police were on the way.
The arriving police heard the shots. That is how close everyone's lives were to remaining normal.

I wonder what these new details could be that Sheffield wants to have a preliminary hearing over. Apparently it's something that he wonders if the trial should even proceed. Very interesting.