GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[Matic]

Why would it be gone?

It's not being shown on any msm. Where is it, who has it. Were the media giving the entire 3 minute video and chose to only show 5 seconds of it?

Or was the video edited and only 5 seconds was giving to the media?

Regardless, there is almost 3 minutes of video that either the media or DA doesn't want anyone to see.

 

[Matic]

Most people I know who own guns do know the serial number--not off the top of their head but have it written down. Not having a record of your gun's serial number means that it can't get back to you if stolen and recovered by police. Additionally, depending on the state you may have a civil liability if the gun is used in a crime. GA doesn't require reporting.

People don't record the serial number of every, single piece of electronic equipment in there dwellings either. How would a person get his stuff back if he cannot prove its his if it's stolen?

Sure it's not as important as a firearm, but same principle.

 

[kaen]

People don't record the serial number of every, single piece of electronic equipment in there dwellings either. How would a person get his stuff back if he cannot prove its his if it's stolen?

Sure it's not as important as a firearm, but same principle.

Many people fill out the warranty card for their TVs and major appliances on line and can get access. I have been robbed and been able to give serial numbers for the items lost with a serial number. A family member was cleaned out of items while at work one day. They didn't have all serial numbers to the instruments stolen (as some didn't have serial numbers) but the ones that did have numbers were found and returned from pawn shops and from online sales outlets of used instruments. Further, the non-serial numbered items were returned as well being that they were part of the police report. If it is stolen and found getting items back is very possible. Also, keeping lists and records make it easier to claim on your renter's or home owner's insurance.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

People don't record the serial number of every, single piece of electronic equipment in there dwellings either. How would a person get his stuff back if he cannot prove its his if it's stolen?

Sure it's not as important as a firearm, but same principle.

Well electronics cannot fire projectiles that can kill someone,so that's a moot point. MOO

 

[Boxer]

It's not being shown on any msm. Where is it, who has it. Were the media giving the entire 3 minute video and chose to only show 5 seconds of it?

Or was the video edited and only 5 seconds was giving to the media?

Regardless, there is almost 3 minutes of video that either the media or DA doesn't want anyone to see.

If it was exonerating I doubt the DAs and GBI would not have used it in their investigations.

 

[Hope4More]

I wonder what these new details could be that Sheffield wants to have a preliminary hearing over. Apparently it's something that he wonders if the trial should even proceed. Very interesting.

Preliminary hearing because in GA that is the first step in trying to win with a stand your ground defense.

Defense is allowed to present their case that the defendant(s) be given immunity from prosecution because their use of force was justifiable. Stand your ground. If granted immunity, the case essentially ends right there.

Presenting this kind of pretrial motion for immunity is standard in stand your ground cases. IMO, in this circumstance attys for the MMs have about zero percent chance of winning on the motion.

 

[Matic]

Preliminary hearing because in GA that is the first step in trying to win with a stand your ground defense.

Defense is allowed to present their case that the defendant(s) be given immunity from prosecution because their use of force was justifiable. Stand your ground. If granted immunity, the case essentially ends right there.

Presenting this kind of pretrial motion for immunity is standard in stand your ground cases. IMO, in this circumstance attys for the MMs have about zero percent chance of winning on the motion.

Thank you.

 

[Hope4More]

A FWIW. Perhaps part of the confusion about who made the 911 calls on the 23rd. LE's call detail records identify one of the calls as "coming back to Travis M."

The call they are referring to is the 911 call made at 1:14. TM was obviously not the one making the call. His hands were full of shotgun. It was GM making the call, using his son's phone.

The call details also clearly list the address of who made the first call that day to LE. Though described here & there as a non-emergency line call rather than a 911 call, the recording and transcript of what's been described everywhere as the first 911 call is identical to the content of the 1:08 call written up in the call detail logs.

Last, there were only 2 calls to LE that day about AA before he was killed.

 

[Tbone144]

There's a few reasons I don't have mine recorded as of today.

I don't live in a high crime area.

Good luck getting onto the 1st few feet of my property, then getting into the house.
If you get in the house, good luck finding any guns.

My CC gun is on me 90% of the time, even at home. (CWP holder for over 30 years) That's how I was trained. You wear it so much that you don't even know you have it on.

It's never, ever left in any of my vehicles under any circumstances.

By now, I know what businesses in my area who do and don't support my 2nd amendment right to carry.
Those establishments who don't allow me to carry, don't get my business.

That being said, as I mentioned earlier..Ill make time soon to record them all.

Before Hurricane Harvey, DH went through and took pictures of all the serial numbers for insurance purposes just in case. Not so much theft, we didn’t leave the property but in case we flooded. Quick and easy as long as you have Cloud Backup.
I use my safe when at hospitals, medical facilities, sporting events, etc..none of which I’m using now. Otherwise I agree on general businesses.
You never leave it unattended unless it’s locked up or in a place no one else has access to it. Leaving it in a locked car, much less unlocked shows poor etiquette on TM part. I’m more concerned about that than the lack of knowledge of the serial number.

Edited to remove my quip on TM. Not necessary and not fair.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Re: Firearm Serial Numbers - I still don't see how that has any bearing whatsover in this case, but if it really does it should be noted that TM is not legally required to have the serial number recorded. I don't care if you think he should, it's not a legal requirement. Maybe he chews with his mouth open too? I don't care.

 

[Boxer]

Preliminary hearing because in GA that is the first step in trying to win with a stand your ground defense.

Defense is allowed to present their case that the defendant(s) be given immunity from prosecution because their use of force was justifiable. Stand your ground. If granted immunity, the case essentially ends right there.

Presenting this kind of pretrial motion for immunity is standard in stand your ground cases. IMO, in this circumstance attys for the MMs have about zero percent chance of winning on the motion.

Can you chase someone down, get out of your vehicle with a shotgun then invoke stand your ground?
MOO Arbery had more right to stand his ground.

Would like to know what was said, just "Stop, I want to talk to you?"
Or did Travis say "I am placing you in citizens arrest for trespassing and burglary."

 

[BeckyF]

So what is your reason as to what happened to the gun?

Was there no gun at all?
Did they hide the gun and file a false report to make it look like there were more thefts in the neighborhood than there really was?

I see no reason why you would lie and say a gun was stolen that didn't exit or fabricate a story for other reasons.

LE have had plenty of time now and probably turned that house upside down. No news about any gun found.

There was no gun. No police report filed. No proof of ownership. There was no gun.

 

[sds71]

More video from English. It shows a couple entering the house as well.
Ahmaud Arbery case: Security footage shows visits to construction site

 

[Cryptic]

Would like to know what was said, just "Stop, I want to talk to you?"
Or did Travis say "I am placing you in citizens arrest for trespassing and burglary."

Citizens cannot make arrests for trespassing in Georgia and there was no burglary.

Thus, I dont think it would have made a difference. In the end, any attempt to detain AA once he had obviously ended his trespass was illegal.

Illegal arrests by police cannot be resisted as there is a concept of presumed 'good faith' extended to the police officer. Rather the legality of the arrest must be disputed later.

I don't know if illegal arrests by citizens can be legally resisted. My guess is that they can as the McMichaels intended to make a citizens arrest, AA resisted, and the McMichaels have been arrested.

 

[tlcya]

Laura and Frank Hogue, a husband and wife criminal defense team based in Macon, said they have been hired to represent 64-year-old Gregory McMichael.

"So often the public accepts a narrative-driven by an incomplete set of facts, one that vilifies a good person, based on a rush to judgment, which has happened in this case," Laura Hogue said in a statement Thursday.

"We agree with the attorneys for Travis McMichael that the justice system affords all citizens the presumption of innocence and that there shouldn't be a rush to judgment or stereotyping," attorneys for Arbery's parents said in an emailed statement. "We only wish that their client, Travis McMichael, had provided that same presumption of innocence to Ahmaud Arbery before chasing and killing him."

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BBM Thank you! That was exactly my thought on reading the vilification of my client stuff from the defense attorneys. It struck me as extremely tone deaf JMO

 

[tlcya]

In February 2019, the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council (POST) issued McMichael a suspension order for "failure to maintain training for the year 2018." At that point McMichael lost his powers of arrest.

In a "Memorandum of Understanding" signed by McMichael, his boss at the time, District Attorney Jackie Johnson, wrote that McMichael "will not engage in any activity that would be construed as being law enforcement in nature," and, "To that end, Mr. McMichael will not carry a firearm or badge, nor will he operate any vehicle in the motor pool outfitted with lights, siren or police radio equipment."
Gregory McMichael, ex-police officer charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery, had service weapon suspended in 2019

 

[scapa]

Laura and Frank Hogue, a husband and wife criminal defense team based in Macon, said they have been hired to represent 64-year-old Gregory McMichael.

"So often the public accepts a narrative-driven by an incomplete set of facts, one that vilifies a good person, based on a rush to judgment, which has happened in this case," Laura Hogue said in a statement Thursday.

"We agree with the attorneys for Travis McMichael that the justice system affords all citizens the presumption of innocence and that there shouldn't be a rush to judgment or stereotyping," attorneys for Arbery's parents said in an emailed statement. "We only wish that their client, Travis McMichael, had provided that same presumption of innocence to Ahmaud Arbery before chasing and killing him."

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BBM Thank you! That was exactly my thought on reading the vilification of my client stuff from the defense attorneys. It struck me as extremely tone deaf JMO

Ugh. I remember Franklin Hogue from the Stephen McDaniel and Donnie Rowe cases. Drama, showboating and long, silvery locks now guaranteed. Justice, maybe.

 

[Boxer]

How strange. The defense for the Ms is that there is a rush to judge them.
So they agree what they were doing was wrong?
Or is a rush to judgement only wrong when directed at people like GM and TM.

 

[watergirl62]

Ugh. I remember Franklin Hogue from the Stephen McDaniel and Donnie Rowe cases. Drama, showboating and long, silvery locks now guaranteed. Justice, maybe.

I had to go look up Hogue. I was visualizing Bruce Harvey, who defended Tex McIver.

 

[firebird]

More video from English. It shows a couple entering the house as well.
Ahmaud Arbery case: Security footage shows visits to construction site

Jumping off your post so the link is in mine, too. The AJC seems to think the prior videos of a tresspasser on English's property also show AA. I think there was some disagreement about this here. How strange, especially for a person who doesn't live in a neighborhood, to repeatedly enter a house under construction to do nothing but wander around. jmo

From the link:

Security camera footage from a home under construction in the neighborhood where Ahmaud Arbery was shot to death in February shows a person who appears to be the same young man entering the property several times since last fall.