GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[scapa]

I had to go look up Hogue. I was visualizing Bruce Harvey, who defended Tex McIver.

I may of course be misremembering, but as soon as I saw the name I had a flashback to those matching ponytails as McDaniel and he sat side by side in the courtroom.

It's an expensive hire for GM/TM.

 

[sds71]

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Newly obtained video shows a man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery at a home under construction in the Satilla Shores neighborhood.
The video taken around 9:33 p.m. on Dec. 17, 2019 appears to show Arbery walking from the home, then he starts jogging down the street.
Elizabeth Graddy, attorney for homeowner Larry English, said it appears the man may have been getting water on the property.
Graddy wrote there is a water source at the dock behind the house and a water source near the front of the house.Graddy writes that although the water sources don’t appear on camera, the man moves to and from their locations. Also in the video, Graddy says what sounds like water can be heard on the tape.

Property owners have previously stated nothing was stolen from the home.
VIDEO: Homeowner believes Ahmaud Arbery was getting water when visiting construction site

 

[watergirl62]

I may of course be misremembering, but as soon as I saw the name I had a flashback to those matching ponytails as McDaniel and he sat side by side in the courtroom.

It's an expensive hire for GM/TM.

No, you are remembering just fine. I was just flashing on a different Georgia attorney with a long ponytail.

I would be hiring an expensive lawyer too.

 

[Boxer]

MOO one thing that is strange to me, is that with people being caught on camera going in the construction site, most owners would put up no trespassing signs. I don't see any in the Perez Arbery video.

 

[sds71]

@TroyKless
Laura Hogue, in a press conference says there is more than one video of the Ahmaud Arbery shooting, and says there are issues with time and date stamps in some other video that has surfaced.
@FCN2go
“Greg McMichael did not commit murder...was not party to the crime” says Frank Hogue, one of the attorneys for Greg McMichael

 

[Hope4More]

Deleted. Duplicate info

 

[Matic]

More of the same on the corruption involving the Glynn county police dept.


Georgia police department at center of Arbery murder investigation has disturbing past filled with scandals, corruption

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Have at it. You might get an earful back telling you to mind your own business.

Wow. Seriously. We are talking about guns, not toys. So the safety and well being of others is my business. So getting an earful back does not bother me. What does bother me is negligence of gun owners. Thank You very much.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

We own guns. We are responsible gun owners, so yes, we have the serial numbers recorded and kept in a safe place.

Thank You. That is what responsible gun owners do.

 

[Boxer]

No, you are remembering just fine. I was just flashing on a different Georgia attorney with a long ponytail.

I would be hiring an expensive lawyer too.[/QUO

@TroyKless
Laura Hogue, in a press conference says there is more than one video of the Ahmaud Arbery shooting, and says there are issues with time and date stamps in some other video that has surfaced.
@FCN2go
“Greg McMichael did not commit murder...was not party to the crime” says Frank Hogue, one of the attorneys for Greg McMichael

If exonerating videos were available before, why were they not part of the investigation.

I interpret this as GM starting a seperate defense and leaving his son to take the charges.

 

[Matic]

MOO one thing that is strange to me, is that with people being caught on camera going in the construction site, most owners would put up no trespassing signs. I don't see any in the Perez Arbery video.

I don't see how a sign is going to keep people from trespassing. You should know that that is someone's lot and property and you have no right being there.

 

[Matic]

Wow. Seriously. We are talking about guns, not toys. So the safety and well being of others is my business. So getting an earful back does not bother me. What does bother me is negligence of gun owners. Thank You very much.

Your personal opinion does not supersede the law. The law is that a person who rightfully owns a firearm is not required by law to know off the top of there head or have documentation of the serial # of every firearm they own.

You're free to start a neighborhood petition to require all your neighbors to have documentation of the serial #'s of firearms that they own. Or maybe write your local congressman/woman to have the law changed.

It really has no bearing on this case, regardless.

 

[sds71]

https://law.georgia.gov/press-relea...on-date-set-man-convicted-glynn-county-murder
Execution Date Set For Man Convicted In Glynn County Murder
At around 12:15 a.m., Dr. Berman noticed that Beatty was mouthing words, apparently in an attempt to communicate. He notified Detective Greg McMichael, who was standing by, and McMichael came to her bedside. The Georgia Supreme Court, in Newland v. State, related what followed:
McMichael . . . asked the victim who had attacked her and read her lips to say the name, ‘Bob.’ He then sounded out the name, ‘Bob’ and asked the victim if this was correct. She nodded her head affirmatively. When asked the last name of her assailant, the victim mouthed a word McMichael could not understand. He then asked the victim if the name began with an ‘A.’ She shook her head negatively. McMichael proceeded in this manner through the alphabet until he asked about the letter ‘N.’ The victim ‘nodded her head vigorously’ and squeezed his hand. By this procedure McMichael was able to elicit affirmative shakes of the head from the victim to the letters, ‘N E W L A.’ McMichael then asked the victim if the last name was ‘Newland.’ The victim ‘nodded her head again very vigorously,’ and squeezed McMichael’s hand. 258 Ga. 172, 366 S.E.2d 689, 692-93 (Ga. 1988).

 

[DD8]

Guys, please move on from the serial # talk. Please?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Your personal opinion does not supersede the law. The law is that a person who rightfully owns a firearm is not required by law to know off the top of there head or have documentation of the serial # of every firearm they own.

You're free to start a neighborhood petition to require all your neighbors to have documentation of the serial #'s of firearms that they own. Or maybe write your local congressman/woman to have the law changed.

It really has no bearing on this case, regardless.

I never said they have to know it off the top of their head. But to have it written down,or recorded somewhere and kept in a safe place. So I may not supersede any laws as you say. Nor do The Mcmicheals. They had no right to chase Arbury down. Even if he did trespass
It was not their property,so stand your ground does not apply. It is null and void. MOO

 

[Hope4More]

@TroyKless
Laura Hogue, in a press conference says there is more than one video of the Ahmaud Arbery shooting, and says there are issues with time and date stamps in some other video that has surfaced.
@FCN2go
“Greg McMichael did not commit murder...was not party to the crime” says Frank Hogue, one of the attorneys for Greg McMichael

Time off on video.....

Lining up what's happening on the surveillance video from across the street with the 1st 911 call times, the surveillance video seems to be approximately 4 minutes fast. Not sure how that changes anything for the defendants.....

Watching the full 22 minutes of video again, I did see something new. There's only one vehicle that makes multiple trips caught on tape- a dark, boxy looking small car/van.

It's seen first at about 2:07.53 on the tape, driving (on Satilla Dr) past the building site towards the MMs. Just about one minute later, AA first comes into view. He's coming from the same direction as the boxy car. Given the layout of the Satilla Shores neighborhood; the fact that Satilla Drive is the main road through it and how few other roads there are; and that it's the road both AA and the boxy car would most likely take to enter the neighborhood, I'm thinking it would be very unlikely if the boxy car driver did NOT see AA, and heading in the direction of the construction site.

If the video time stamps are 4 minutes fast, that places boxy car in front of E's construction site at about 1:04.

Where is boxy car headed? It next appears around 2:22 (1:18 actual time), again driving in the same direction as before. Boxy has driven some portion of Satilla Drive's loop. Which means he either cut across Holmes Rd to return to Satilla Drive, or stayed on Satilla Drive throughout, which means he HAD to have passed the intersection of Holmes & Satilla, where a few yards away and precisely within the known timeframe, AA was being killed.

Boxy car turns up one final time on the video, around 2:25 (1:21). He's on Jones Rd, heading towards Satilla Drive. He zooms past where the fellow in overalls was seen on tape, near the trees, turning back onto Satilla, then quickly turns into a driveway.

Given where that driveway is located, it almost certainly belongs to Perez.

If so, that explains how Perez could have seen AA lying dead in the road, which he's said he did. The timing of his first drive past on Satilla also might explain how quickly TM, GM, and perhaps Roddie sprung into action. Perhaps Perez texted/called out an alert?

 

[Cryptic]

Do you understand that criminals who steal guns are not going to leave them on the firearm?

From what I have seen in regards to recovered weapons (not mine), thieves do not usually remove their serial numbers. I can think of several reasons for this:

- Weapons are made of steel, and removing a complete serial number from steel is fairly hard (though by no means impossible)

- Attempting to remove the serial number mars the weapon, and thus lowers re-sale value. Even gangsters probably prefer unblemished weapons.

-Most of the customers of stolen weapons don't really care if they have serial numbers as they either know or think that the odds of the weapon later being examined by the police are low.

 

[watergirl62]

If exonerating videos were available before, why were they not part of the investigation.

I interpret this as GM starting a seperate defense and leaving his son to take the charges.

According to the GEORGIA RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT RULE 1.7 CONFLICT OF INTEREST: GENERAL RULE

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(c) Client informed consent is not permissible if the representation:
(1) is prohibited by law or these Rules;
(2) includes the assertion of a claim by one client against another client represented by the lawyer in the same or substantially related proceeding; or
(3) involves circumstances rendering it reasonably unlikely that the lawyer will be able to provide adequate representation to one or more of the affected clients.
The maximum penalty for a violation of this Rule is disbarment.

Conflicts in Litigation
[7] Paragraph (c)(2) prohibits representation of opposing parties in the same or a similar proceeding including simultaneous representation of parties whose interests may conflict, such as co-plaintiffs or co-defendants. An impermissible conflict may exist by reason of substantial discrepancy in the parties’ testimony, incompatibility in positions in relation to an opposing party or the fact that there are substantially different possibilities of settlement of the claims or liabilities in question. Such conflicts can arise in criminal cases as well as civil. The potential for conflict of interest in representing multiple defendants in a criminal case is so grave that ordinarily a lawyer should decline to represent more than one co-defendant.

https://www.gabar.org/barrules/upload/grpc_newrules.pdf

 

[tlcya]

As far as TM and GM having separate counsel, I am not reading anything more into that. I would be shocked if they had the same counsel. That would be a total conflict as counsel must be able to effectively represent the interests of their client and TM and GM's interests will diverge at some point.

Shelby Danielsen
@NewsShelby

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@FCN2go
Attorney for Travis McMichael says they have “sweated blood together to do everything we can to fight for justice for everybody, for all segments of society.”
@FCN2go
Shelby Danielsen on Twitter

 

[zencompass]

The defendants will be well represented by these highly-successful and well-experienced lawyers.

Having these experienced lawyers will drastically reduce the possibilities of a "mistrial" or an appeal (based on poor representation by their attorneys), two scenarios which the Prosecution wants to avoid.

In my opinion, experienced lawyers help create a fair and just trial.


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