GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[momrids6]

I can. But I take my training, rights, and responsibilities seriously.

So can I , and so do I. Most here as well.

 

[Hope4More]

Channel 2 investigative reporter Mark Winne has confirmed that Greg McMichael leaked the video to a radio station, starting the avalanche of attention that landed him in jail on murder charges with his son.
EXCLUSIVE: Man charged in Ahmaud Arbery murder leaked original video of the shooting

Says just about everything that GM thought the video's release would help him.

Kinda wonder how it came to be in his possession, though, given Roddy recorded it on his cell phone. Not to mention it was evidence. Also wonder about the suggestion by AA family's attorney that the video might have been edited/cut.

 

[sds71]

@Brittm_tv
I just confirmed that a Glynn County police officer told the owner of the construction site to call Greg McMichael "...day or night when you get action on your camera." This was on Dec. 20

 

[Hope4More]

@Brittm_tv
I just confirmed that a Glynn County police officer told the owner of the construction site to call Greg McMichael "...day or night when you get action on your camera." This was on Dec. 20

Oh my, Mr. " I don't know GM" English. And WTH, a GCounty LEO instructing English to call a private citizen for assistance, not LE, if he saw a trespasser on his CCTV.

 

[casesensitive]

Oh my, Mr. " I don't know GM" English. And WTH, a GCounty LEO instructing English to call a private citizen for assistance, not LE, if he saw a trespasser on his CCTV.

An actual text message screen shot of the text from Glynn County PD to Larry English is seen on TMZ.
"Your neighbor Greg McMichael is a Retired Investigator from the DA's office. He said please call him day or night when you get action on your camera. His number is-------."

 

[branmuffin]

Yea, it was discussed earlier.
I doubt the police would go door to door asking for any footage regarding a stolen gun.
As another poster said, there is a huge rash of vehicle break ins in almost ever state.

I hear about them on a weekly basis and my town is pretty small.

That's probably true about vehicle break ins but it appears it wasn't a 'thing' in this neighbourhood. As a matter of fact, the MMs have always seemed to inflate and conflate the number of thefts and break ins in the community when advising the GCPD of a suspected trespasser.

There was no rash of theft or break ins. The only thing that got stolen from October 2019 to Feb 23 2020 was one thing: Travis McMichael's weapon.

It's interesting that you would assume that the stolen weapon is going to end up in a crack house or used in a string of robberies suggesting it was a complete stranger, a real criminal, not some person who lives in that sleepy little community who may have committed a crime of opportunity.

It's quite possible that gun is resting comfortably in a house just down the street from where TM lives because he has a habit of being sloppy when it comes to weapons.

 

[branmuffin]

I think number might get lost but with a little effort I think he could get it for the police report. And he locked his truck.

According to Georgia law a weapon must be in a locked compartment in your vehicle, not just a locked vehicle. I'm surprised GM didn't know that being a cop/investigator for 30 years. Oh wait a minute, THAT law came into effect May 14, 2008 and we know GM didn't think he needed to keep up on laws, weapons, training from 2006.

 

[branmuffin]

There's a few reasons I don't have mine recorded as of today.

I don't live in a high crime area.

Good luck getting onto the 1st few feet of my property, then getting into the house.
If you get in the house, good luck finding any guns.

My CC gun is on me 90% of the time, even at home. (CWP holder for over 30 years) That's how I was trained. You wear it so much that you don't even know you have it on.

It's never, ever left in any of my vehicles under any circumstances.

By now, I know what businesses in my area who do and don't support my 2nd amendment right to carry.
Those establishments who don't allow me to carry, don't get my business.

That being said, as I mentioned earlier..Ill make time soon to record them all.

What happens in the first few feet of your property?

 

[branmuffin]

I would also.
Especially what's on that 02:50 seconds of video that's missing from the camera footage inside the house.

If it even exists anymore.

Today on CNN I saw several clips of other people coming on to the property. Twice it was two young boys about ten on bicycles and another time at night two adults , one male on female. Yet GM and TM are totally bent out of shape by an unknown black man doing exactly the same thing. Which begs the question, Why weren't they concerned about it? Because according to Diego Perez he advised English anytime he sees activity on his security cameras let him know and he'd go down and check it out. Which begs another question, if English sent him the video and Perez recognized the individuals then why wasn't he concerned about it and what did he say to English after he checked it out.

 

[kaen]

English has said he didn't know McMichael. The police have said tons of stuff.
But, it seems like this officer was encouraging English to get a neighbor to take care of the issue. That is what these murderers did. No wonder McMichael leaked the video. When will the lies and covering of the truth stop?



From AJC (Police enlisted suspect’s help months before Arbery shooting):

“Greg is retired Law Enforcement and also a Retired Investigator from the DA’s office,” Officer Robert Rash texted English on Dec. 20, offering McMichael’s phone number. “He said please call him day or night when you get action on your camera.”


This shows a Dec. 20 text from Glynn County officer Robert Rash to Satilla Shores property owner Larry English. English was having trouble, starting last fall, with people entering the property at night. The officer said neighbor Greg McMichael, a former law enforcement officer, was willing to help. English told police nothing was ever taken from the property. (Source: Elizabeth Graddy, English's attorney)
Photo: (Larry English's attorney)
The text raises concerns about why an officer would encourage a citizen to contact a former officer if an actual police call for service was needed, said LaGrange Police Chief Lou Dekmar, a past president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.“I’m not aware of any accepted policy for referring someone that requires a police response to delegate that response to a former law enforcement officer who happens to live in the neighborhood,” said Dekmar.Dekmar said it also gives the perception that McMichael had a relationship with the local law enforcement community tasked with investigating the shooting. It adds to the questions of why the GBI wasn’t called in immediately after the shooting, he said.“If it’s not a real conflict, it’s certainly a significant perception of one,” he said.

Rash had no comment on Friday when contacted about the text, referring questions to his department. Jay Wiggins, Glynn County’s interim police chief, didn’t return a message seeking comment.

 

[branmuffin]

A FWIW. Perhaps part of the confusion about who made the 911 calls on the 23rd. LE's call detail records identify one of the calls as "coming back to Travis M."

The call they are referring to is the 911 call made at 1:14. TM was obviously not the one making the call. His hands were full of shotgun. It was GM making the call, using his son's phone.

The call details also clearly list the address of who made the first call that day to LE. Though described here & there as a non-emergency line call rather than a 911 call, the recording and transcript of what's been described everywhere as the first 911 call is identical to the content of the 1:08 call written up in the call detail logs.

Last, there were only 2 calls to LE that day about AA before he was killed.

I don't think it was GM, either. I think it was another person who shows up on the 'witness' list even though they didn't actually witness the murder.

 

[SharonNeedles]

According to Georgia law a weapon must be in a locked compartment in your vehicle, not just a locked vehicle. I'm surprised GM didn't know that being a cop/investigator for 30 years. Oh wait a minute, THAT law came into effect May 14, 2008 and we know GM didn't think he needed to keep up on laws, weapons, training from 2006.

So this information is not correct?

Georgia Concealed Carry Gun Laws & WCL: USCCA CCW Reciprocity Map

CARRY IN VEHICLE?
Can you carry a concealed handgun in a vehicle in Georgia?

Yes, any person not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun may carry a weapon openly or concealed without a permit in his or her own vehicle (owned or rented). In a vehicle you do not own, you must have the permission of the person who has legal control of the vehicle.

 

[Falling Down]

McMichael’s personnel file, which stretches back to the year he was employed by the Brunswick district attorney’s office, also gives insights into his general performance as an employee and other training he received on the job.
For example, the records indicate McMichael completed only one training course in the use of de-escalation tactics, but completed four courses devoted to “understanding Islamist terrorism” and another on “introduction to terrorism”.
His annual reviews from superiors present a mixed track record and his overall performance is never rated above “good”. One November 2000 review notes: “Needs to improve his organization and prioritization of his workload.” Multiple reports describe a lack of organizational skills.
McMichaels file:
McMichael Personnel File_Redacted.pdf

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

Again I ask as I did in the last thread, how did he get the job to begin with?

 

[Hope4More]

I don't think it was GM, either. I think it was another person who shows up on the 'witness' list even though they didn't actually witness the murder.

The second 911 call was made on TM's phone. In the death video, GM can be seen holding a phone. An exclamation of "Travis!" can be heard clearly on the 911 call (and on the video) just as TM and AA encounter each other and the first shot is fired. And there aren't vehicles to be seen in front of GM's truck. I'm sticking with GM making the 2nd call. I think we agree who made the 1st call.

BTW and an aside. Based on what TM's sister has said about returning home to live with her parents (plural); that she was with her mother and TM's son
watching TV when AA was shot; and that she was close enough to where AA was shot to be there in moments.....IMO the only place she could have been was at 230 Satilla Drive.

She said more than once that she had NO idea what was going on until she heard "shots and the commotion." If she was at 230 Satilla, that can't be true. I doubt she could have missed her father running in the front door, grabbing a gun and telling her brother to grab one too, and then the both of them running back out and peeling wheels in GM's truck in pursuit of AA.

If there's a trial, it wouldn't surprise me to see her on the stand as a (hostile) State witness.

 

[branmuffin]

Says just about everything that GM thought the video's release would help him.

Kinda wonder how it came to be in his possession, though, given Roddy recorded it on his cell phone. Not to mention it was evidence. Also wonder about the suggestion by AA family's attorney that the video might have been edited/cut.

I wouldn't be surprised if every 'witness' has a copy of it.

 

[Hope4More]

@Brittm_tv
I just confirmed that a Glynn County police officer told the owner of the construction site to call Greg McMichael "...day or night when you get action on your camera." This was on Dec. 20

That LEO, R. Rash, is the same officer who came to the scene on Feb 11, 2020, the time TM said he saw the repeat trespasser & was sure he had a gun. Rash wrote up a whole narrative about the incident, including the fact that he had personally made inquiries of many neighborhood peeps while on his daytime patrol, giving/showing them the description English had provided of a misdemeanor, never took anything trespasser.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

There's a few reasons I don't have mine recorded as of today.

I don't live in a high crime area.

Good luck getting onto the 1st few feet of my property, then getting into the house.
If you get in the house, good luck finding any guns.

My CC gun is on me 90% of the time, even at home. (CWP holder for over 30 years) That's how I was trained. You wear it so much that you don't even know you have it on.

It's never, ever left in any of my vehicles under any circumstances.

By now, I know what businesses in my area who do and don't support my 2nd amendment right to carry.
Those establishments who don't allow me to carry, don't get my business.

That being said, as I mentioned earlier..Ill make time soon to record them all.

ok, this is MOO but I've been following this case from the first week's posts and was blindsided by today's vitriol. Holy cow I was only away from this thread for a day and a half and already it feels like it has whipsawed from extreme victim-blaming (TY to mods for fixing that) to the start of the new thread being a guns right argument that's generalized, and not related to the folks who have been arrested (sorry I have no idea if mods have addressed that yet). WTF people?!

Matic, thank you for speaking out as you have.

I come in here to catch up on what the heck is happening to poor AA's case and all of a sudden the tones of the thread make me feel like I am part of the problem because I live in a rural area and have 3 "unregistered, not state tracked" guns (a WW2 rifle, and Korean/Vietnam era rifle, and a handgun) that I inherited last year from my 83+-year-old dad who lived with my husband and me. My dad owned those guns LEGALLY for 50+ years here in FL. It was legal for him to own them without centralized registration. They never left his house. Concealed carry (even open carry) was not applicable to how my father handled those guns. When he aged and moved in with us, we bought a gun safe, and those arms were secured in the safe. When he died 2 years ago, I inherited them but they remain in that safe, untouched. I am in Florida but gun laws in GA are not too far off from FL's. I do firmly believe that if AA's shooter had a hand gun stolen from his unlocked truck in January, that he should be accountable for that negligence., and that he is probably a negligent dumbass.

However, that is not a condition that I see as simply fixed by an "anyone who doesn't register their guns is a criminal" type mandate. Again, MOO. I think poor AA was a victim of excessive force for an unjustified "citizens arrest" but that alone does not make every gun owner a felon or miscreant. Please stop insinuating as much.

 

[branmuffin]

The second 911 call was made on TM's phone. In the death video, GM can be seen holding a phone. An exclamation of "Travis!" can be heard clearly on the 911 call (and on the video) just as TM and AA encounter each other and the first shot is fired. And there aren't vehicles to be seen in front of GM's truck. I'm sticking with GM making the 2nd call. I think we agree who made the 1st call.

BTW and an aside. Based on what TM's sister has said about returning home to live with her parents (plural); that she was with her mother and TM's son
watching TV when AA was shot; and that she was close enough to where AA was shot to be there in moments.....IMO the only place she could have been was at 230 Satilla Drive.

She said more than once that she had NO idea what was going on until she heard "shots and the commotion." If she was at 230 Satilla, that can't be true. I doubt she could have missed her father running in the front door, grabbing a gun and telling her brother to grab one too, and then the both of them running back out and peeling wheels in GM's truck in pursuit of AA.

If there's a trial, it wouldn't surprise me to see her on the stand as a (hostile) State witness.

I'm a little confused regarding the addresses. On the witness list GM lists his address as 200 River Ridge Rd in Brunswick which is about 10 miles away from Satilla Shores and yet when talking about 230 Satilla Dr he continues to refer to it as his home.

Also, you said we can all agree who made the first call. I don't believe TM made the first call since he was supposedly in his home when GM ran in and told him to grab his gun because AA was running down the street.

 

[branmuffin]

So this information is not correct?

Georgia Concealed Carry Gun Laws & WCL: USCCA CCW Reciprocity Map

CARRY IN VEHICLE?
Can you carry a concealed handgun in a vehicle in Georgia?

Yes, any person not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun may carry a weapon openly or concealed without a permit in his or her own vehicle (owned or rented). In a vehicle you do not own, you must have the permission of the person who has legal control of the vehicle.

It appears to me that the law is referring to having a weapon in the vehicle while you're present in the vehicle.

 

[branmuffin]

According to GM's attorney there is more than one video of the shooting.