GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020 #2

[branmuffin]

The sister of the man charged with gunning down Ahmaud Arbery said she posted pictures of the unarmed black jogger’s dead body online because she is “a true-crime fan,” according to a new report.

Lindsay McMichael, 30, admitted posting an unedited image of a blood-soaked Arbery lying on the street in Brunswick, Georgia, on Snapchat, but said she meant no harm, the Sun reported Monday.

“I had no nefarious or malicious intent when I posted that picture,” she told the outlet. “The thing is I’m a huge fan of true crime — I listen to four or five podcasts a week — I’m constantly watching that sort of thing.”

“It was more of a, ‘Holy s–t, I can’t believe this has happened,'” she added. “It was absolutely poor judgment.”

However, a lawyer for Arbery’s family called the image “deeply disturbing.”

“The picture Lindsay McMichael posted was very disturbing and very disturbing to the family,” attorney S. Lee Merritt told the Sun. “It actually fits the pattern of the McMichael family engaging in a weird, violent form of voyeurism.”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/siste...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

She forgot to mention the smiley emoji.

 

[sds71]

She forgot to mention the smiley emoji.

And the mugshot

 

[ilovewings]

She forgot to mention the smiley emoji.

Disgusting and ghoulish!!!!

 

[Matic]

I 'm not a runner either. But I do walk. Through neighbourhoods where I don't know a soul. And being an experienced gardener I admit I have walked onto private property to check out interesting plants. Never been shot, though

The houses are on lots anywhere between 60 and 100 feet apart. Definitely not expansive estates but wide enough to support driveways and classic ranch style houses and property on either side. Look at this house at 232 Satillo Dr. (the address of one of the witnesses).
https://www.trulia.com/p/ga/brunswick/232-satilla-dr-brunswick-ga-31523--2031824198 It's on .58 acres.

And this expired listing for 307 Burford Drive. https://www.trulia.com/p/ga/brunswick/307-burford-rd-brunswick-ga-31523--2031824874
It's listed as Roddie's house on the witness list. It's on a half acre lot. The house was sold on February 19, 2020. Was the sale TO Roddie? Or did Roddie sell the house 4 days before AA was murdered? Was it Roddie's fiance's house? I guess he'll explain all that at the trial, the same way GM will explain him listing 200 River Ridge Rd as his residence but insists he lives at 230 Satilla Dr. Anyhoo...

So my explanation for AA's lack of sounding an alarm is because he perceived (rightly) that he was in enemy territory. No point adding more fuel to the fire, so to speak. I'm mean if I were a black man running in a bucolic environment where all of a sudden a group of white men with guns starting chasing me down the street the last thing I would think about doing is possibly increasing the numbers.

We're all trying to get into AA's head. We have to though, because there are too many other heads plotting the trajectory of the trial. It's easy when the only witness who could refute your testimony is dead.

Once I was held up by a man with a gun. Taking a stroll in downtown Toronto on a lovely summer night late in the evening. My friend and I heard footsteps behind us moving fairly fast so we unconsciously moved closer together to let them pass. Except he didn't. He matched his footsteps to ours and then poked a gun in my ribs. I looked down and saw that gun and just didn't believe what was happening. Neither of us had any money with us, we didn't even have any identification. He asked for money and my friend in her agitated state turned her pockets inside out to illustrate the fact. And to this day, I don't know why we did it, but he asked us where we lived...and we TOLD him! Sure, we were 20 at the time and naive, I guess. There's no explanation for what we did but there is absolutely no excuse for an individual walking up to someone walking down a street and pointing a gun at them.

Interesting that you chose to "freeze" instead of "flight or fight". I mean, what could you do with a gun in your ribs? It's very possible that you and your friend could have easily been shot had you tried to defend yourself. Would have been impossible for a couple of young ladies Luke yourselves to try and overpower a man with his gun in your ribs.

And fleeing? This man didn't shoot you dead because you didn't have any money so its highly unlikely that he was a murderer, just wanted money.
So there is probably little chance he would just kill you because you both ran.
MOO

 

[Matic]

She forgot to mention the smiley emoji.

Facebook has a new self emoji, I think it was mentioned that she posted on snap chat.
So it's very possible snap chat could have to same new self emoji.

So if you make your emoji a happy, smiling person, then I think that emoji shows up no matter what your post is about.

If you were wishing your Freind to get well because they were I'll, it would still show a character of your emoji....smiling.
It's called "Bitmoji".

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitstrips.imoji&hl=en_US

 

[Hope4More]

The sister of the man charged with gunning down Ahmaud Arbery said she posted pictures of the unarmed black jogger’s dead body online because she is “a true-crime fan,” according to a new report.

Lindsay McMichael, 30, admitted posting an unedited image of a blood-soaked Arbery lying on the street in Brunswick, Georgia, on Snapchat, but said she meant no harm, the Sun reported Monday.

“I had no nefarious or malicious intent when I posted that picture,” she told the outlet. “The thing is I’m a huge fan of true crime — I listen to four or five podcasts a week — I’m constantly watching that sort of thing.”

“It was more of a, ‘Holy s–t, I can’t believe this has happened,'” she added. “It was absolutely poor judgment.”

However, a lawyer for Arbery’s family called the image “deeply disturbing.”

“The picture Lindsay McMichael posted was very disturbing and very disturbing to the family,” attorney S. Lee Merritt told the Sun. “It actually fits the pattern of the McMichael family engaging in a weird, violent form of voyeurism.”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/siste...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

What utter, contemptible BS. As is her story she had no idea what was happening until she heard a commotion & LE outside. She was there at her brother's house when TM and GM grabbed their guns and left, and within earshot of the sound of trucks chasing AA down, their screaming at AA, and then shots fired.

And BTW. Notice that there's yellow tape up in the photo, and first responders other than LE are there. If she did run right out as she said she did, the scene wouldn't look like it did in that photo.

Which means she didn't take the photo, but someone from the neighborhood did, between approximately 1:30-1:45PM, and she wasn't the only one who thought it swell to share, or, she took the photo when she says she gave LE a clean shirt for her poor misunderstood brother to wear to jail.

 

[skyedaze]

She forgot to mention the smiley emoji.

Just gross. What a sick family.
seriously

 

[sonicfanaticsmommy]

It's purely speculation that anyone ever pointed a gun at AA.

a gun was certainly pointed at him when three bullets from said gun hit him

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I think it is obvious that AA felt that he was facing a fight or flight decision for his life. If he was a white jogger being followed and hemmed in by white males in a truck, there wouldn't be the fear AA felt in stopping when they demanded it. We can't put ourselves in a young black man's mind. We haven't experienced his reality of life.

He knew he had stopped and trespassed at the house under construction and that was likely why they were hunting him down right afterward. He didn't steal anything, he didn't have stolen property with him, he was unarmed, but he felt that he had to grab the nozzle of Travis's shotgun because he feared for his life...there is no other reason for him to do this desperate act. Why didn't he just stop when the McMichaels demanded it? Maybe there is some history between them that caused AA to react the way he did. Hopefully we learn all the facts relevant to this case. jmo

There is a history of GM having been involved in at least one prosecution of AA.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Finally, we have some common ground!

Like you, I have never entered a home under construction and have never even thought about doing so.

Apparently unlike you, I have children who routinely jog / run through neighborhoods where they don't live as their Cross Country teams runs from their school. They run through very wealthy and working class areas. Nobody has ever deemed they "don't belong" and conducted surveillance on them etc.

Like you, I view trespass entry into a home under construction strange and would call police. Heck, I have reported young men afoot and loitering in an alley after a rash of bicycle / lawn tool thefts.

And now, the big question.....

Q. Would I load one of my weapons, get in a car, chase after, and repeatedly try to corner a trespasser who was obviously leaving the area?
A. Absolutely not.

I have always checked out new construction so I don't find it odd, but that's me. I'm constantly remodeling, updating or adding on much to my poor husband's chagrin.
Also, there is more video from the home owner that shows many people walking into the construction and looking around. I don't think any of them were chased.

 

[Matic]

a gun was certainly pointed at him when three bullets from said gun hit him

Actually, no. He wasn't hit with 3 bullets from said gun. He was either hit with shotgun slugs or buckshot. Not sure the coroner's report is that specific.

 

[skyedaze]

What utter, contemptible BS. As is her story she had no idea what was happening until she heard a commotion & LE outside. She was there at her brother's house when TM and GM grabbed their guns and left, and within earshot of the sound of trucks chasing AA down, their screaming at AA, and then shots fired.

And BTW. Notice that there's yellow tape up in the photo, and first responders other than LE are there. If she did run right out as she said she did, the scene wouldn't look like it did in that photo.

Which means she didn't take the photo, but someone from the neighborhood did, between approximately 1:30-1:45PM, and she wasn't the only one who thought it swell to share, or, she took the photo when she says she gave LE a clean shirt for her poor misunderstood brother to wear to jail.

or she ran out quickly like she said...and then went back in to get her phone to get the snap.

 

[Boxer]

I never claimed he lived 11 miles away and I never asked for proof that he doesn't live somewhere else. I think you're arguing with the wrong person.

IIRC Andybinga made the 11 mile claim.

 

[Boxer]

Directly said, and well said.

As you noted, one man has apparently converted from active participant to 'horrified bystander'. The GBI has said that they will "leave no stone unturned" in their investigation.

Though there could well be others with sudden conversions, additional criminal charges beyond the McMichaels could be difficult if those criminal charges are 'Party to' based.

My vague impression is that 'Party to' would need to be supported by proof of prior coordination and good knowledge that the principal actor was going to commit a crime afterwards.

In this case, proof of prior coordination might be readily available. But.... identifying a trespasser and calling the police is not a crime. Thus, direct proof might be needed that the other individuals knew that the McMichaels were probably going to commit a crime.

That level of proof maybe hard to show. A potential defense could then counter with: Ok, my client was only party to a hyper vigilant, but completely legal effort, to identify a certain trespasser and to call police. He had no knowledge that a crime would probably be committed afterwards....

MOO not hypervigilant. That suggests a high level of caution. This was an uncautious act, I would say it was an act of hyper-entitlement.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

On court tv they were discussing the other times Aubrey entered the house and he never took anything and they think he was stopping to get a drink of water because that is the only thing that worked at the house and he went in and came out running on the other videos they showed

I also read that and apparently they could hear what sounded like water running from a hose out back and recorded content shows AA going and coming to/from that direction.
Slain jogger Ahmaud Arbery may have stopped in house for drink of water: attorney
Ahmaud Arbery 'may have been looking for drink of water' as new footage shows 'frequent visitors' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Boxer]

What utter, contemptible BS. As is her story she had no idea what was happening until she heard a commotion & LE outside. She was there at her brother's house when TM and GM grabbed their guns and left, and within earshot of the sound of trucks chasing AA down, their screaming at AA, and then shots fired.

And BTW. Notice that there's yellow tape up in the photo, and first responders other than LE are there. If she did run right out as she said she did, the scene wouldn't look like it did in that photo.

Which means she didn't take the photo, but someone from the neighborhood did, between approximately 1:30-1:45PM, and she wasn't the only one who thought it swell to share, or, she took the photo when she says she gave LE a clean shirt for her poor misunderstood brother to wear to jail.

They let Travis change clothes on the way to the station?
Is that procedure?
Or another thing like suggesting a neighbor who is retired LE take care of your trespassing problems.

 

[sds71]

Personnel records obtained by the I-TEAM show that Glynn County police officer who enlisted a retired district attorney investigator help with unwanted visitors in the Satilla Shores neighborhood -- where Ahmaud Arbery was later shot and killed -- was reprimanded for his involvement in a previous highly-criticized case handled by Glynn County Police Department.

Officer Robert Rash was disciplined in 2018 for failing to arrest a fellow officer who he and other officers saw assault his estranged wife, and then try to break into her home, personnel records show.
Fellow officer, Lt. Robert “Corry” Sasser" also swung and slapped at the officers in the incident was captured on a body camera.

Officers on the scene, including Rash, failed to arrest Sasser for what then-police Chief John Powell later called “clear criminal violations."
“The oath that each officer on the scene and who work at this department has taken to uphold the laws of the United States and the state of Georgia does not have a caveat that states, unless the offender is a law enforcement officer,” wrote Powell.

The letter of reprimand also stated that officers were laughing and joking when the situation de-escalated and officers referred to Sasser as a lieutenant during the domestic violence call.

Sasser later killed his estranged wife, her male friend and himself.
[URL="https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2020/05/18/outside-police-chief-questions-glynn-county-officer-asking-homeowner-to-report-trespasser-to-neighbor/"]Glynn County officer who asked homeowner to report trespasser to neighbor was disciplined before[/URL]

 

[Boxer]

Personnel records obtained by the I-TEAM show that Glynn County police officer who enlisted a retired district attorney investigator help with unwanted visitors in the Satilla Shores neighborhood -- where Ahmaud Arbery was later shot and killed -- was reprimanded for his involvement in a previous highly-criticized case handled by Glynn County Police Department.

Officer Robert Rash was disciplined in 2018 for failing to arrest a fellow officer who he and other officers saw assault his estranged wife, and then try to break into her home, personnel records show.
Fellow officer, Lt. Robert “Corry” Sasser" also swung and slapped at the officers in the incident was captured on a body camera.

Officers on the scene, including Rash, failed to arrest Sasser for what then-police Chief John Powell later called “clear criminal violations."
“The oath that each officer on the scene and who work at this department has taken to uphold the laws of the United States and the state of Georgia does not have a caveat that states, unless the offender is a law enforcement officer,” wrote Powell.

The letter of reprimand also stated that officers were laughing and joking when the situation de-escalated and officers referred to Sasser as a lieutenant during the domestic violence call.

Sasser later killed his estranged wife, her male friend and himself.
Glynn County officer who asked homeowner to report trespasser to neighbor was disciplined before

Terrible

Why are these officers getting paychecks and retirements paid for by taxpayers money? They aren't protecting the public, only their good old boys.

 

[sds71]

@oliverlaughland
New bodycam video shows that Glynn county police department officers tried to taser Ahmaud Arbery in a 2017 incident. Arbery was accosted by officers who accused him of drug use, but found nothing on him.


The Glynn county police department was already facing local political pressure to disband before the Arbery shooting due to a string of recent corruption scandals.

In March the department’s police chief and three high ranking officers were indicted on perjury charges related to allegations they ignored evidence that an officer from the department was consorting with a local drug dealer.

The department was forced to disband a specialist narcotics department in 2019 after an investigator was found to have had sex with two confidential informants. The department found evidence of the misconduct in 2017 but failed to investigate. In 2018 the department lost certifications with two law enforcement bodies, the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police and the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement.
Police tried to tase Ahmaud Arbery in 2017 incident, video shows

 

[Hope4More]

IMO, depending on context and how the Dec 20 text from Robert Lee Rash to English is interpreted, it may help GM's defense.

With what we know now, saying that Rash "deputized" GM by sending it seems inaccurate, an overstatement, and misleading. If it can be proven that Rash discussed the trespassings with GM and asked for his assistance, that's deputizing. If Rash described the trespassings to GM as felonies and asked for his assistance, that's not only deputizing, but perhaps a case for GM's defense to argue he had the requisite first hand probable cause to pursue AA.

On the other hand, if all that happened was that Rash and GM casually spoke about the trespasses, as Rash did with a large number of peeps in the neighborhood, and GM told Rash to pass along to English that he'd be happy to keep a look out on E's property, how exactly is that "deputizing" GM?

There is any case no defense argument to be made that Rash "deputized" GM to use force against AA, which is the heart of the matter. IMO.