GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #1

[Trident]

Well now I am 1000000% confused. Hopefully LE can read between the BS and
find the baby's killer/s! That should be all of our prayers. What a circus. And
I know no one wants their teenager to be a killer and / or go to prison for it.
I'm sure you'd be in denial about it and wish it were not true, but do you really
want that same teenager out free with the rest of your kids/ grandkids etc. if
YOUR lie got him off of a murder charge? Now YOU're responsible if he kills again.

Unfortunately, "that same teenager" won't be preying on his relatives or community.

My own opinion, of course.

 

[Trident]

If the 15 year old was in school where he should have been, I would believe he was not involved. Wonder what their excuse is for why he was not in school.

LOL, what a joke don'tcha know - he was going to turn his life around. Well, he did succeed.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

BBM This doesn't make any sense. Why would DE do that? Force a total strange to go with him to rob someone? Why would he want a second person around (who could be a witness) if he were going to commit a crime? I don't believe that happened.

The fact that it doesn't make sense at all could also mean there is a lot more to the story that we don't yet know about. Just a thought...

 

[iamnotagolem]

67% of statistics are made up. Using statistics in an argument make you 80% more believable.

 

[tlcya]

I agree with you on one point PIM. We don't know the whole story because one boy claims he was eating breakfast, or at school or something, I've lost track and the other claims he was forced by the boy who was eating breakfast to participate in killing a baby.

The problem is, at least one of them is lying and odds say both of them are.

There is LOTS left to the story IMO

the truth.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I will not be surprised if there are more arrests.

 

[tlcya]

If the 15 year old was in school where he should have been, I would believe he was not involved. Wonder what their excuse is for why he was not in school.

I am sure he was probably gonna go til that older "bad boy" DE forced him at gunpoint to go along on a robbery.

You watch.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I believe both of them are charged with murder.
Both as adults.

It's kinda confusing (to me)...this is how one article puts it:

"The case remains in juvenile court for now, but has the potential to be relocated so the teen is charged as an adult."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst.../Family-says-15-year-old-is-not-a-baby-killer

 

[tlcya]

I bet they have a video of the shooting. Quoting Glynn County police chief Matt Doering from The Brunswick News this morning.

"We know who fired the shot, specifically how, where and when the murder occurred, and the role each offender played," Doering said.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9FxYwU9qcyIWVdxZ0ZxNkx5MkU/edit?usp=sharing (part 1)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9FxYwU9qcyId1ByU3FaU3pKMVU/edit?usp=sharing (part 2)

They may even have gunshot residue evidence. All the finger pointing in the world won't help if they have a video.

yay NM I figured out I had to sign in to google, duh. I am usually always signed in so I could not figure out why the heck I couldn't get it to load.

Thanks much for these links Marina.

 

[jjenny]

It's kinda confusing (to me)...this is how one article puts it:

"The case remains in juvenile court for now, but has the potential to be relocated so the teen is charged as an adult."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst.../Family-says-15-year-old-is-not-a-baby-killer

This article claims he is being charged as an adult.

"BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A 15-year-old charged as an adult in the murder of a Brunswick baby made an appearance in court this morning."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...of-Brunswick-baby/isbhPFSz6UCYwnCGfAt0Ww.cspx

 

[noZme]

If the 15 year old was in school where he should have been, I would believe he was not involved. Wonder what their excuse is for why he was not in school.

he hadn't been in school for over a year... & the previous school was an alternative school. http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/crime/suspects-face-1st-court-hearings-in-baby-killing/nW3pY/

It was just a matter of time until Elkins stuck a gun in his pants & went out to show off for one of his buddies. It just so happened that this time was to impress his badness on a younger child. Somebody was going to be shot. Had it been a peer instead of a mother & defenseless baby, would we be talking about it? &, I do not believe either race & poverty were contributing factors.

About all I needed to know about Elkins, I learned from his facebook~ money crazy, worshipping, never going to even want to make an honest living & do some good in this world. I live in small town Georgia; I see it everyday; I know the facts.

I am sorry to say some are not redeemable, even at age 17. The bigger question is, what are we doing to keep children on the right track. Banging out an opinion on my laptop does nothing. But I do support & volunteer in programs aimed at interceeding before kids are too-far gone. We as a society, are in a mess!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I agree with you on one point PIM. We don't know the whole story because one boy claims he was eating breakfast, or at school or something, I've lost track and the other claims he was forced by the boy who was eating breakfast to participate in killing a baby.

The problem is, at least one of them is lying and odds say both of them are.

There is LOTS left to the story IMO

the truth.

No doubt there are definitely some lies swirling, and you gotta wonder why, too (beyond the immediate conclusions). Because if I were one of those teens facing life in prison or death, I'd be looking for any legitimate alibi I could find (ie. besides family members) to establish where I was. If so, there should be a bit more harmony of truth pouring at this point...they're in deep doo-doo.

The other factor is that the public defender claiming he's 1000% sure his client is innocent gives me (at least) pause. I'm well aware that legal counsel knows more about this case than I do, right now. Also aware that lawyers are pretty touchy about their reputation, and if DE is that 'obviously' innocent to him--well, then, he has his work cut out for him to defend that successfully, doesn't he.

 

[tlcya]

this articles states the younger teen is being charged as an adult. I am seeing conflicting info so I am wondering if the press is just as confused as we as to whether this kid has or has not been charged as an adult.

BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A 15-year-old charged as an adult in the murder of a Brunswick baby made an appearance in court this morning. D******** L*** is the younger of two teen suspects facing first degree murder charges.

L*** was in Magistrate Court in Glynn County to hear the formal charges read against him. His rights were also read to him. L*** did not enter a plea.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...of-Brunswick-baby/isbhPFSz6UCYwnCGfAt0Ww.cspx

 

[Trident]

the public defender for Elkins may want to consider making his FB page private as it is now being bandied about it the comment sections beneath news4jax articles.

What a mess.

I am really angry at these boys, I want them prosecuted to the fullest. But man, the hatred and the just awful, hateful, wrong things being said out there on the WWW - it just rabid. MOO

So glad I can discuss this case here with humans who know how to have a discussion.

Of course it's rabid, what do you expect. Some people have had their noses rubbed in the "he/she/it/I didn't do it, profiling", lying crap that there is/was bound to be a backlash.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

This article claims he is being charged as an adult.

"BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A 15-year-old charged as an adult in the murder of a Brunswick baby made an appearance in court this morning."

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...of-Brunswick-baby/isbhPFSz6UCYwnCGfAt0Ww.cspx

Yes, both articles do, in fact. The confusion (to me) is that the 15-yr old's case is still being kept in juvenile court, for now, according to that article link I posted. In other words, I see those two things as conflicting and confusing, but then again--I'm not in the legal profession and all that obfuscatory jargon is clear as mud to me.

 

[Betty P]

he hadn't been in school for over a year... & the previous school was an alternative school. http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/crime/suspects-face-1st-court-hearings-in-baby-killing/nW3pY/

It was just a matter of time until Elkins stuck a gun in his pants & went out to show off for one of his buddies. It just so happened that this time was to impress his badness on a younger child. Somebody was going to be shot. Had it been a peer instead of a mother & defenseless baby, would we be talking about it? &, I do not believe either race & poverty were contributing factors.

About all I needed to know about Elkins, I learned from his facebook~ money crazy, worshipping, never going to even want to make an honest living & do some good in this world. I live in small town Georgia; I see it everyday; I know the facts.

I am sorry to say some are not redeemable, even at age 17. The bigger question is, what are we doing to keep children on the right track. Banging out an opinion on my laptop does nothing. But I do support & volunteer in programs aimed at interceeding before kids are too-far gone. We as a society, are in a mess!

There were news items yesterday about a local minister who wants to do more to identify at risk kids in the area and give them intensive counseling.

http://wgntv.com/2013/03/25/georgia-pastor-takes-blame-for-killing-of-baby/

He seems very sincere and, as someone who used to be a criminal, he may be a good example to help turn at-risk kids lives around. I hope his church gets the support it needs.

ETA a link with better video

http://www.northcentralohio.com/national-news/single.asp?story=53859

 

[stmarysmead]

Yes, we are a mess as a society. When I read the hate on his Facebook and the response of his friends, I think of the trillions of tax dollars over decades that we have spent trying to solve these problems, make things better. Alernative schools, expensive programs mean nothing if unattended.

Politicans get rich, some embezzle..setting a terrible example...and things have only gotten worse.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I will not be surprised if there are more arrests.

I agree.

 

[tlcya]

No doubt there are definitely some lies swirling, and you gotta wonder why, too (beyond the immediate conclusions). Because if I were one of those teens facing life in prison or death, I'd be looking for any legitimate alibi I could find (ie. besides family members) to establish where I was. If so, there should be a bit more harmony of truth pouring at at this point...they're in deep doo-doo.

The other factor is that the public defender claiming he's 1000% sure his clients are innocent gives me (at least) pause. I'm well aware that legal counsel knows more about this case than I do, right now. Also aware that lawyers are pretty touchy about their reputation, and if they are that 'obviously' innocent to him--well, then, he has his work cut out for him to defend that successfully, doesn't he.

I hear ya PIM. But as to the PD comment about 1000%. Its pure posturing, similar to posturing I have seen countless times before. In my experience, the less a PD knows about the case, the more full of bluster his initial comments are to the press. But that's just been what I have noted in past cases.

 

[Trident]

OMG, that literally made me ill.

I don't do facebook. Could you, or someone, give me a quick rundown?