GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #3

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  • #682
It doesn't surprise me she hold on to her purse. You can read up on some other robbery attempts (unrelated cases). People often fight for their belongings. That is not unusual.
The pastor who got shot refused to give the suspect any money also.
 
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Sherry West this morning in #elkins trial day 8. @wjxt4 pic.twitter.com/j7R2mdAfGz
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Jury is now in court room -- #elkins trial is about to be begin. Sherry West is being called to the stand. @wjxt4
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Defense believes asking Sherry West about possible drug use is relevant to their cross examination to see if West can truly identify shooter
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Day 8 of #Elkins trial -- court has not started yet. Jury not in courtroom. Sherry West sitting outside. Lawyers arguin
 
  • #684
It doesn't surprise me she hold on to her purse. You can read up on some other robbery attempts (unrelated cases). People often fight for their belongings. That is not unusual.
The pastor who got shot refused to give the suspect any money also.

Who knows how one would react to having a gun pointed at you? There was not a lot of conversation; the whole confrontation probably lasted one minute or less.... brandished gun, made a couple demands, threats, pow, pow, run.
 
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Defense wants to bring into evidence an interview West did w/ media. She is watching it. Jury not in room
 
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Sherry West is crying while watching the 8 minute video
 
  • #687
It doesn't surprise me she hold on to her purse. You can read up on some other robbery attempts (unrelated cases). People often fight for their belongings. That is not unusual.
The pastor who got shot refused to give the suspect any money also.

I have not heard of any cases where the child was threatened and a mother wouldn't give up her purse, car, or anything of material value. Her mental issues could be the simple explanation.
 
  • #688
I have not heard of any cases where the child was threatened and a mother wouldn't give up her purse, car, or anything of material value. Her mental issues could be the simple explanation.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Not so long ago, it was caught on video-robber approached mother and child (child could walk, she was about five) and asked for a purse. You can see on video mother running off leaving the child there. She claimed it was to get the suspect away from her daughter, but it looks pretty scary on the video to me, since she run away and suspect was close to the child.
 
  • #689
Then you haven't been paying attention. Not so long ago, it was caught on video-robber approached mother and child (child could walk, she was about five). You can see on video mother running off leaving the child there.

good Lord WTH is wrong with people!
 
  • #690
good Lord WTH is wrong with people!
If you mean the mother,
people are not exactly thinking rationally when approached by a perp with a weapon.
 
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Defense says this photo she identified two weeks ago as the shooter is Dominique Lang #elkins @wjxt4 pic.twitter.com/aDpTy0tQxI
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Defense says this is who Sherry West picked as looking like the shooter 2 weeks ago. @wjxt4 #elkins pic.twitter.com/4IZTo6xgz8
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

West is done with watching the video. Jury back in courtroom. @wjxt4 #elkins
 
  • #692
I HOPE THIS COMES BACK TO BITE THEM ON THE BUTT. Going after the grieving mother is shameful and despicable.

Im sure it will, I think now that the initial story has proven true it will come back to bite them , When I first heard the story and saw her first speak it didnt seem genuine, even saying she was on meds wasnt helping me buy it (as I am bipolar, borderline and ptsd also) now her reaction looks disconnected and and like she is in shock now that Im used to hearing her voice, but in order for them to do this and not come off looking like they were badgering a greiving mom, they act as if there is something they are waiting to pull out of their hat, I dont think that will happen-but this has got to be tourtue for her SO SICKING!!!!! I dont even recall Patsy Ramsey being treated this badly!:banghead:
 
  • #693
I wonder how the mom did on the stand this morning?
 
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If you've ever had a gun pointed at you (I have, as a manager and another Pizza Hut employee walked out the back door after closing the store) your reaction will likely surprise you. Mine was that everything slowed way down and I noticed all sorts of things abou the robber that not only his hands were shaking but that he was shaking all over, that his voice was high-pitched with fear, and that he appeared very young. I had no doubt he would shoot us, possibly accidentally, but in the moment I was extremely calm. The other waitress and I had to nudge the manager to throw over the money bag and get down on the ground because he was arguing and refusing to give up the money. Just as we did that, an unrelated siren went past and the guy ran away. Once we were sure he was gone and the police were there, I fainted. The point is, you just don't know how you are going to react.

It's easy to say, 'just hand over your money, nothing is worth your life,' but when you are living hand-to-mouth and have a child to feed and know you don't have a support system that is going to shower you with support & funds the equation isn't so simple. So I understand how it could be possible that in Sherry West's case *either* choice could have been seen as a matter or life or death. And really, any decent human being cannot truly accept the idea that someone would actually SHOOT A BABY IN THE FACE over a little bit of money. No matter what socio-economic class you come from the very idea is horrifying. Human beings just don't do that. *Elkins* does that and I leave the obvious conclusion unstated.

And that's why, IMO, the robbery part was secondary with Elkins. He liked the power of ordering people around, threatening them, and then shooting them if they 'dissed' him by not obeying.
 
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Tim Pulliam ‏@TimPulliam 3h

Investigator was up briefly just to clarify the date and time of security video. State has rested. Jury is now out of courtroom for recess
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Sherry West is no longer on the stand. She is on standby. Next witness is an investigator
 
  • #696
If you mean the mother,
people are not exactly thinking rationally when approached by a perp with a weapon.

Yeah but instinct would be to grab your 5 yo! Its like when you throw your arm in front of them when you slam on the breaks in the car, but then again I see people walking down the sidewalk with their small children and the kids are on the outside and the adult is on the inside, that drives me nuts too!
 
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Im sure it will, I think now that the initial story has proven true it will come back to bite them , When I first heard the story and saw her first speak it didnt seem genuine, even saying she was on meds wasnt helping me buy it (as I am bipolar, borderline and ptsd also) now her reaction looks disconnected and and like she is in shock now that Im used to hearing her voice, but in order for them to do this and not come off looking like they were badgering a greiving mom, they act as if there is something they are waiting to pull out of their hat, I dont think that will happen-but this has got to be tourtue for her SO SICKING!!!!! I dont even recall Patsy Ramsey being treated this badly!:banghead:

I agree. She was treated very harshly.

The atty kept badgering her about 'irrational' statements she made to the cops right after her baby was shot. Who wouldn't be irrational and ranting after seeing their baby shot in the face while out on a stroll in broad daylight?

I think the jury will feel the same way.
 
  • #698
I'm glad they let the mom go. About not giving up her purse, she said she told them she didn't have any money, if they wanted the purse they could have just grabbed it. I believe she didn't have any money in it and that is why she didn't give it to them. They didn't say, give me your purse. They said, give me your money.
That's my opinion only, but it makes sense to me.
 
  • #699
I'm glad they let the mom go. About not giving up her purse, she said she told them she didn't have any money, if they wanted the purse they could have just grabbed it. I believe she didn't have any money in it and that is why she didn't give it to them. They didn't say, give me your purse. They said, give me your money.
That's my opinion only, but it makes sense to me.

From HLN - ""The tall one. He demanded my purse. It was a black canvas shoulder bag," said West."
 
  • #700
If you've ever had a gun pointed at you (I have, as a manager and another Pizza Hut employee walked out the back door after closing the store) your reaction will likely surprise you. Mine was that everything slowed way down and I noticed all sorts of things abou the robber that not only his hands were shaking but that he was shaking all over, that his voice was high-pitched with fear, and that he appeared very young. I had no doubt he would shoot us, possibly accidentally, but in the moment I was extremely calm. The other waitress and I had to nudge the manager to throw over the money bag and get down on the ground because he was arguing and refusing to give up the money. Just as we did that, an unrelated siren went past and the guy ran away. Once we were sure he was gone and the police were there, I fainted. The point is, you just don't know how you are going to react.

It's easy to say, 'just hand over your money, nothing is worth your life,' but when you are living hand-to-mouth and have a child to feed and know you don't have a support system that is going to shower you with support & funds the equation isn't so simple. So I understand how it could be possible that in Sherry West's case *either* choice could have been seen as a matter or life or death. And really, any decent human being cannot truly accept the idea that someone would actually SHOOT A BABY IN THE FACE over a little bit of money. No matter what socio-economic class you come from the very idea is horrifying. Human beings just don't do that. *Elkins* does that and I leave the obvious conclusion unstated.

And that's why, IMO, the robbery part was secondary with Elkins. He liked the power of ordering people around, threatening them, and then shooting them if they 'dissed' him by not obeying.

I agree that no one knows how they will actually react to a gun in their face. Years ago my boyfriend accidentally walked right into the middle of an armed robbery in a liquor store. He walked into our corner market at midnight for an OJ, and as he approached the counter, he realized it was a hold up. The kid with the gun turned to him, pointed the gun at his head and said " gimme your wallet.' Instead of just handing it over silently, my bf handed it to him, then pulled it back a bit and said, " Here, you can have everything, but can I just keep my Drivers License, cuz I am flying tomorrow a.m. and need it to get on the plane."

Amazingly, the young robber said OK. And as my bf began to take his DL out of the wallet, the store owner pulled his own gun from under the counter and began shooting. And the robber ran...

The point is, my bf could not believe that he said that and didnt just hand over the wallet. He was in shock, but did something kind of stupid, that turned out OK.
 

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