GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023 #2

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  • #861
Full document regarding Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, includes scathing assessment of shameful Rudy Giuliani behavior. In short, Rudy kept saying he would provide info....and never did. Just like what he did about the "evidence" regarding the election results.

He's a liar, grifter, schemer (and likely a drunk on top of it)....but people chose to believe him.

I hope the relative silence about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss is because people are ashamed they believed the vicious lies told about them. jmo

 
  • #862
I don't think I'm alone in hoping Ruby and Shaye clean the old man out.

Every. Single. Penny.

(And I'm not ageist - calling Rudy an old man is me being a mostly well-behaved, polite poster. :))
You're not alone. I'm with you!

But what I mostly wish for them is that this never happened. The money, if they ever see a penny, would be gladly traded, I'm sure, for them to have been left alone. Powerful men attacked them and the public believed joined in the attack like an ugly pack of dogs. Shame on everyone. jmo

jmo
 
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  • #863
@kyledcheney

NEWS: Judge grants default judgment to Ruby FREEMAN and Shaye MOSS in defamation lawsuit against Rudy Giuliani and grants punitive sanctions as well.


"Donning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences, but in a court of law this performance has served only to subvert the normal process of discovery."

What a president and his minions did to those poor women is beyond shameful and horrible. There are no words---- they were just doing their jobs and were viciously verbally attacked and feared for their lives because of these verbal assaults. They deserve lots of $$$ even though that will not heal the pain they will most likely never get over.
 
  • #864
HAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm schadenfreuded out this morning.

Howell said Giuliani cannot avoid handing over financial information, including metrics for a podcast on which he impugned the Georgia workers. He also must pay sanctions for failing to hand over that information as well as other records earlier. If he continues not to comply, Howell said, she will instruct the jury deciding damages to “infer that he is intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about his financial assets for the purpose of artificially deflating his net worth.”
She suggested he was trying to avoid making public information that could hurt him in other civil and criminal cases. Earlier this month, Giuliani was charged in Georgia with involvement in a scheme to subvert the election results.


 
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A trial to determine the amount of damages for which Giuliani will be held liable will be set for later this year or early 2024, Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court said on Wednesday.

The damages could amount to thousands if not millions of dollars.

Giuliani has already been sanctioned almost $90,000 for Freeman and Moss’ attorneys’ fees in the case, and Howell says the former New York mayor may be saddled with additional similar sanctions.
 
  • #866
I really can't get over how DT and his team used, abused, and tried to destroy two innocent citizens. The president of the United States - the most powerful person on earth - told vicious lies about innocent citizens and he did it for his own benefit. His lawyer told vicious lies about innocent citizens and admitted they were lies.

I am sad, to be honest, that the outcry is not louder for Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. They have been unfairly mistreated, for the benefit of the most powerful, yet so few people seem to notice.

jmo

It is unreal, unbelievable and as low as anyone can go. It is also an outrage!
 
  • #867

A trial to determine the amount of damages for which Giuliani will be held liable will be set for later this year or early 2024, Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court said on Wednesday.

The damages could amount to thousands if not millions of dollars.

Giuliani has already been sanctioned almost $90,000 for Freeman and Moss’ attorneys’ fees in the case, and Howell says the former New York mayor may be saddled with additional similar sanctions.
He is also hiding financial info from his ex-wife, iirc, too. What an honorable man, that Mayor.

I wonder, though, if he's also hiding sources of finances. Some of them might be not so flattering or maybe not even legal. I don't know that to be true, but he sure goes to great measure to hide his money situation, beyond what benefits him personally.

jmo
 
  • #868

A trial to determine the amount of damages for which Giuliani will be held liable will be set for later this year or early 2024, Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court said on Wednesday.

The damages could amount to thousands if not millions of dollars.

Giuliani has already been sanctioned almost $90,000 for Freeman and Moss’ attorneys’ fees in the case, and Howell says the former New York mayor may be saddled with additional similar sanctions.
I hope for millions of dollars---- even though they may never actually get that much! Giuliani needs to be hit hard where it hurts: in his pocket book, since he has no actual human feelings---
 
  • #869
I'm going to be honest. I don't see 'America's Mayor'. I believe Giuliani got lucky in the aftermath of 9/11 and was the beneficiary of major media hype because America was itself hurting, confused, scared, and wounded. Americans desperately needed leadership and he certainly got in front of the cameras to at least lend the appearance of it.

And on the back of that, he sought to monetize his experience any way he could.

BUT before 9/11 there was also stop and frisk, broken windows policing, corruption, civil liberties violations, poor race relations, policies designed to harm the homeless population, racial profiling and his willingness to associate and defend some very, very nefarious actors.

In March of 2000 a Black unarmed security officer - and father of two - was shot to death by undercover police who claimed he'd attacked them after they propositioned him to buy drugs. A witness stated the officers started the fight and didn't identify themselves. After his death, Giuliani approved the release of the victim's (Patrick Dorismond) sealed juvenile delinquency record and stated publicly that Mr. Dorismond was no altar boy - only he actually was. He'd attended the same Catholic school as Giuliani and was indeed an altar boy. The city settled a suit brought by Mr. Dorismond's family for $2.25 million in 2003.

So, I think Rudy's always been a bad person who just lucked out from time to time. Much the same as Donald Trump - who with the help of media and a television show - convinced millions of Americans he was successful, rich, capable, and qualified to be president.

On a side note - I wonder how much Giuliani and Trump's psychology has been influenced by them not feeling they were receiving their due. By most accounts, losing in the presidential primary in 2008 did real damage to Rudy's psyche. By the way, Rudy spent a month at Mar-a-Lago recuperating after he ended his campaign. Birds of a feather and all that.

JMO
 
  • #870
I'm going to be honest. I don't see 'America's Mayor'. I believe Giuliani got lucky in the aftermath of 9/11 and was the beneficiary of major media hype because America was itself hurting, confused, scared, and wounded. Americans desperately needed leadership and he certainly got in front of the cameras to at least lend the appearance of it.

And on the back of that, he sought to monetize his experience any way he could.

BUT before 9/11 there was also stop and frisk, broken windows policing, corruption, civil liberties violations, poor race relations, policies designed to harm the homeless population, racial profiling and his willingness to associate and defend some very, very nefarious actors.

In March of 2000 a Black unarmed security officer - and father of two - was shot to death by undercover police who claimed he'd attacked them after they propositioned him to buy drugs. A witness stated the officers started the fight and didn't identify themselves. After his death, Giuliani approved the release of the victim's (Patrick Dorismond) sealed juvenile delinquency record and stated publicly that Mr. Dorismond was no altar boy - only he actually was. He'd attended the same Catholic school as Giuliani and was indeed an altar boy. The city settled a suit brought by Mr. Dorismond's family for $2.25 million in 2003.

So, I think Rudy's always been a bad person who just lucked out from time to time. Much the same as Donald Trump - who with the help of media and a television show - convinced millions of Americans he was successful, rich, capable, and qualified to be president.

On a side note - I wonder how much Giuliani and Trump's psychology has been influenced by them not feeling they were receiving their due. By most accounts, losing in the presidential primary in 2008 did real damage to Rudy's psyche. By the way, Rudy spent a month at Mar-a-Lago recuperating after he ended his campaign. Birds of a feather and all that.

JMO
I live in Manhattan, was here on 9/11, and I totally agree. jmo
 
  • #871
HAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm schadenfreuded out this morning.

Howell said Giuliani cannot avoid handing over financial information, including metrics for a podcast on which he impugned the Georgia workers. He also must pay sanctions for failing to hand over that information as well as other records earlier. If he continues not to comply, Howell said, she will instruct the jury deciding damages to “infer that he is intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about his financial assets for the purpose of artificially deflating his net worth.”
She suggested he was trying to avoid making public information that could hurt him in other civil and criminal cases. Earlier this month, Giuliani was charged in Georgia with involvement in a scheme to subvert the election results.
Oh poor diddums :D
 
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I'm going to be honest. I don't see 'America's Mayor'. I believe Giuliani got lucky in the aftermath of 9/11 and was the beneficiary of major media hype because America was itself hurting, confused, scared, and wounded. Americans desperately needed leadership and he certainly got in front of the cameras to at least lend the appearance of it.

And on the back of that, he sought to monetize his experience any way he could.

BUT before 9/11 there was also stop and frisk, broken windows policing, corruption, civil liberties violations, poor race relations, policies designed to harm the homeless population, racial profiling and his willingness to associate and defend some very, very nefarious actors.

In March of 2000 a Black unarmed security officer - and father of two - was shot to death by undercover police who claimed he'd attacked them after they propositioned him to buy drugs. A witness stated the officers started the fight and didn't identify themselves. After his death, Giuliani approved the release of the victim's (Patrick Dorismond) sealed juvenile delinquency record and stated publicly that Mr. Dorismond was no altar boy - only he actually was. He'd attended the same Catholic school as Giuliani and was indeed an altar boy. The city settled a suit brought by Mr. Dorismond's family for $2.25 million in 2003.

So, I think Rudy's always been a bad person who just lucked out from time to time. Much the same as Donald Trump - who with the help of media and a television show - convinced millions of Americans he was successful, rich, capable, and qualified to be president.

On a side note - I wonder how much Giuliani and Trump's psychology has been influenced by them not feeling they were receiving their due. By most accounts, losing in the presidential primary in 2008 did real damage to Rudy's psyche. By the way, Rudy spent a month at Mar-a-Lago recuperating after he ended his campaign. Birds of a feather and all that.

JMO
I don't know much about Giuliani as mayor- I do know though, whatever the reality of what he did, he was put on a pedestal after 9/11- he was seen as a hero: I think he felt like a hero, enjoyed the spot light and probably made money off of all of that attention. Eventually the spot light went away and he was left feeling kind of ignored and he did not like that feeling much-- so, what did he do, he hooked up with a man who knew how to get the most attention possible --- and has lived in that spot light once again-- He and Trump share many unfortunate traits: basic humanity being one of those traits. Giuliani had no problem throwing those two ladies under the bus and ruining their lives, making them targets! Trump has no problem making fun of anybody including the disabled or anyone that for one reason or another makes him angry---I never watched The Apprentice- just was not interested at all--When he ran for president I thought he was a joke- not too smart, just a buffoon actually, but I never ever envisioned that he was a dictator in his heart: that he yearned to be like Putin of other dictators-- I had no idea he was such a danger to our country- and to the world.
 
  • #874
This bit from Judge Beryl Howell's ruling is for Lilibet:
“Donning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences, but in a court of law this performance has served only to subvert the normal process of discovery in a straight-forward defamation case.”

This is my fave though:
“Yet, just as taking shortcuts to win an election carries risks—even potential criminal liability—bypassing the discovery process carries serious sanctions…”

From inthedetail's link they kindly posted upthread:
 
  • #875
I'm going to be honest. I don't see 'America's Mayor'. I believe Giuliani got lucky in the aftermath of 9/11 and was the beneficiary of major media hype because America was itself hurting, confused, scared, and wounded. Americans desperately needed leadership and he certainly got in front of the cameras to at least lend the appearance of it.

And on the back of that, he sought to monetize his experience any way he could.

BUT before 9/11 there was also stop and frisk, broken windows policing, corruption, civil liberties violations, poor race relations, policies designed to harm the homeless population, racial profiling and his willingness to associate and defend some very, very nefarious actors.

In March of 2000 a Black unarmed security officer - and father of two - was shot to death by undercover police who claimed he'd attacked them after they propositioned him to buy drugs. A witness stated the officers started the fight and didn't identify themselves. After his death, Giuliani approved the release of the victim's (Patrick Dorismond) sealed juvenile delinquency record and stated publicly that Mr. Dorismond was no altar boy - only he actually was. He'd attended the same Catholic school as Giuliani and was indeed an altar boy. The city settled a suit brought by Mr. Dorismond's family for $2.25 million in 2003.

So, I think Rudy's always been a bad person who just lucked out from time to time. Much the same as Donald Trump - who with the help of media and a television show - convinced millions of Americans he was successful, rich, capable, and qualified to be president.

On a side note - I wonder how much Giuliani and Trump's psychology has been influenced by them not feeling they were receiving their due. By most accounts, losing in the presidential primary in 2008 did real damage to Rudy's psyche. By the way, Rudy spent a month at Mar-a-Lago recuperating after he ended his campaign. Birds of a feather and all that.

JMO
Giuliani has ALWAYS been a hack. With 9/11 it was right place, right time for him and man, he rode that train as long as he could.
 
  • #876
This bit from Judge Beryl Howell's ruling is for Lilibet:
Love it! Howell is spot on!

@HMSHood has often chimed in on mass shooting threads with the thought that the shooter is an “injustice or insult collector”…someone who never forgets a perceived injustice or insult. The damage Guiliani and Trump have done because of “injustice collecting”…always being a victim…is immeasurable. I’m glad Judge Howell called Guilini out for this.

JMO
 
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I was just thinking that winning a defamation suit isn't easy as the first amendment affords the right to a lot of speech. You have to prove the defendant made false claims purported to be fact; communicated those false claims to a third party; and that those false claims caused serious harm to the plantiff. Proving someone knowingly lied can really be a stickler.

Now, add to that - summary judgements in defamation cases are rarer than unicorns and yet - Shaye Moss and Ruby Freeman won their suit against Giuliani; E. Jean Carroll won her suit against Trump; and Fox News was forced to settle after the judge ordered the only remaining issue for trial was actual malice which they very, very likely would have won at trial. Each and every one of those cases was resolved, in part, after the judge had found the defendants to be liable.

Which I think says so much about just how flagrantly these entities flout the law, truth and common decency. And, in my opinion, the criminal cases are no different. They're not small crimes and small cases brought by prosecutors looking to make a name for themselves. They're cases that practically prove themselves because there is such substantial evidence of wrongdoing and consciousness of guilt.

JMO
 
  • #880
JUST IN: Sidney Powell files a motion to sever her case from the other 18 co-defendants claiming that she has “no substantive connection with any other defendants regarding the charges in the Indictment.”



For those unable to access Twitter aka x here is the doc ;

Oh it's probably kinda catty of me but I really hope Chesebro is forced to go to trial with Powell right next to him. It would serve him right.

It irks me to no end that the dude who came up with the gameplan to burn down democracy hails from my home state. It's personal. ;)
 
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