GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023 #2

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Trump’s new attorney:

Gunna’s lawyer, Steven Sadow, is swatting down critics who think the former YSL rapper ratted out his crew, but he's gonna have to convince a whole lot of critics.


 
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Trump’s new attorney:

Gunna’s lawyer, Steven Sadow, is swatting down critics who think the former YSL rapper ratted out his crew, but he's gonna have to convince a whole lot of critics.


That client, Gunna, was charged with RICO. He "pleaded guilty to a single charge of racketeering and was sentenced to five years in prison, with one year commuted to time served and the rest of the sentence suspended subject to probation conditions, including 500 hours of community service; he was released from jail the same day."

jmo

 
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Mmhmm. His attorneys negotiated his surrender during primetime cable news coverage deliberately. He'd wanted to do it during the republican debate but his legal team talked his political team out of it.
If our local Fox affiliate cuts away from the Falcons game for this, I'm going to be so mad! Watch them do a split screen ala OJ.
We have how many more indictees left who have to turn themselves in before tomorrow at noon? After former guy there are nine left? Cutting it super close. DA Willis may have a busy afternoon tomorrow with signing arrest warrants. IMO.
 
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If our local Fox affiliate cuts away from the Falcons game for this, I'm going to be so mad! Watch them do a split screen ala OJ.
We have how many more indictees left who have to turn themselves in before tomorrow at noon? After former guy there are nine left? Cutting it super close. DA Willis may have a busy afternoon tomorrow with signing arrest warrants. IMO.
I’ll let you know how the Steelers game ends.
 
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A man allegedly linked to a scheme to keep Donald Trump in office using fake GOP electors was present at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, following conspiracy theorist Alex Jones around and filming him on his phone, according to CNN.

Attorney Kenneth Chesebro allegedly wore a red “Trump 2020” hat as he trailed the Infowars host in the Capitol grounds, though there is no indication that he actually entered the Capitol building. It’s not clear why Chesebro was following Jones.
 
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After having basked in conspiracy theories about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, some supporters of former President Donald Trump are worried that a rally Trump is promoting outside the Fulton County Jail in Georgia ahead of his expected surrender in the state election interference case is an FBI setup.

The rally, promoted by the far-right activist Laura Loomer, is expected at 10 a.m. ET Thursday, the day Trump has said he plans to turn himself in. Trump posted a link to a Newsweek article about the rally on his social media platform, Truth Social, as well as a screenshot of a Loomer post calling on Trump supporters to gather at the jail.

"Watch out for the FBI and antifa/blm to stir up a riot," a social media user with the display name "Ultra Maga" wrote.

"Be careful, it could be a setup just like the J6," another user wrote. "Watch out for FBI plants," echoed another user. "They can play havoc with your peaceful plans."

Jan. 6 was not, in fact, an FBI setup. More than a thousand Trump supporters have been arrested for their actions during the Capitol riot, including some who conspiracy theorists have suggested were undercover agents bent on entrapping conservatives.
 
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Republican Representative Jim Jordan announced Thursday that the House Judiciary Committee is launching an inquiry into whether Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis coordinated with federal officials her indictment of former President Donald Trump and 18 other defendants.

In a letter sent to Willis, Committee Chairman Jordan demanded information and possible communications between officials with the Department of Justice and the Executive Brand.

“This letter comes as the Committee launches an inquiry into whether the Fulton County District Attorney’s office coordinated with federal officials, including DOJ Special Counsel Jack Smith, for its politicized indictment of former President Donald Trump, a former White House Chief of Staff, and a former U.S. DOJ official,” Jordan wrote.

Jordan said that Willis’ indictment of Trump and his co-defendants implicates “substantial federal interests” and said that the “circumstances surrounding her actions raise serious concerns about whether such actions are politically motivated.”
 
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"9:51 a.m. - Fulton County deputies close Rice Street across from the jail’s main entrance because of the large presence of demonstrators and media."

 
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Reading about Cathy Latham on this fundraising website, she seems to have had a good reputation as a teacher, a church member and a Mom (according to the write-up by her daughter). I believe it. (Full disclosure: my husband is a retired teacher. :))

I really don’t think that any of these lower level people who have been indicted got into this thinking they were committing a crime initially. I think most are basically decent people who, in their MAGA fervor, were misled by the Sydney Powells, the Rudy Giulianis, the John Eastmans, the Jenna Ellises…attorneys all...who convinced them that the election was stolen from Donald Trump by means of the voting machines, and that the only recourse was a new batch of electors and gaining access to the corrupt voting machines.

They willingly gave their common sense, ethics and morals over to keeping Donald Trump in the White House. They were duped in a way, but they must have known deep down that what they were doing was wrong and illegal. Surely a longtime teacher of U.S. History and Economics like Cathy Latham was not dumb or naive about the electoral system with which she willfully attempted to interfere.

And the tragedy is that Cathy Latham’s misplaced loyalty to Trump is not reciprocated. She will receive no help or recognition from him. Her reputation and retirement is in shambles. She may serve time in prison. And for what? In service of Donald J. Trump and The Big Lie. What a waste.
JMO
We have people here who think like that. (And yes, to our surprise some are public school teachers)

The day Trump was indicated, someone on a neighborhood app wanted to know how to assure, that not only his vote was counted, but it counted for who he voted for.

People tried explaining to no avail.

The fact is, except for the fact that there is a record that you showed up to vote, once you check in, your ballot is completely, "divorced" from your name. It is separate. There is no name attached to it.


Well, he wanted names attached to the ballot. No anonymous voting.

Even then, this was not an assurance that the vote went to his candidate.

There are people here who want to open up/break into the the tabulators and obtain their source code and also want to inspect the ballots and make sure that the tabulator and the ballots show the same result. (Basically a hand count)

But even then, they don't trust the people who are counting the ballots.

So, they want to count the ballots themselves.

Even before Trump there were many people like this.

They are extremely suspicious of government.

Part of living in a civil society is that we delegate this to other people. There are rules and laws that keep the process. (We have traffic rules, dog leash rules, hazardous code rules etc)

It's OK to be suspicious, but people often forget that in the quest for "my rights", they are often neglecting "others' rights". It's basically selfish.


ETA: This type of thinking was going on before Trump. We have rules and people feel the rules don't apply to them.
 
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Patrick Labat, Sheriff of Fulton County walks next to the entrance of the Fulton County Jail, as former U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to turn himself in to be processed after his Georgia indictment, in Atlanta.

 
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Interesting that this conversation was had.

The seeds of distrust that have been sown are so very toxic. Secure voting is a critical issue but so is the de-politicalization of the voting process. Since there is so much question of the processes, the "whataboutism" is eroding the soil with which we function. It seems to me that there needs to be some leadership across the political spectrum. Not only are the deniers and the conspiracy theorists in charge of speaking out but the leaders with ability to stem this tide are silent which leaves a void to be filled.

These indictments are the tip of an iceberg of disinformation. Look at how easy it is to influence people. One would hope that there could be a bi-partisan commission but it seems that both parties keep looking for the advantage rather than solving the problem. Now, the disinformation is contaminating the judicial system.

The result is scary.
We have people here who think like that. The day Trump was indicated, someone on a neighborhood app wanted to know how to assure, that not only his vote was counted, but it counted for who he voted for.

People tried explaining to no avail.

The fact is, except for the fact that there is a record that you showed up to vote, one you check in, your ballot is completely, "divorced" from your name. It is separate. There is no name attached to it.


Well, he wanted names attached to the ballot. No anonymous voting.

Even then, this was not an assurance that the vote went to his candidate.
There are people here who want to open up/break into the the tabulators and obtain their source code and also want to inspect the ballots and make sure that the tabulator and the ballots show the same result. (Basically a hand count)

But even then, they don't trust the people who are counting the ballots.

So, they want to count the ballots themselves.

Even before Trump there were many people like this.

They are extremely suspicious of government.

Part of living in a civil society is that we delegate this to other people. There are rules and laws that keep the process. (We have traffic rules, dog leash rules, hazardous code rules etc)

It's OK to be suspicious, but people often forget that in the quest for "my rights", they are often neglecting "others' rights".
 
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A man allegedly linked to a scheme to keep Donald Trump in office using fake GOP electors was present at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, following conspiracy theorist Alex Jones around and filming him on his phone, according to CNN.

Attorney Kenneth Chesebro allegedly wore a red “Trump 2020” hat as he trailed the Infowars host in the Capitol grounds, though there is no indication that he actually entered the Capitol building. It’s not clear why Chesebro was following Jones.
Add your story to the one where the Oath Keepers were exchanging friendly emails with Secret Service and we're getting closer and closer to a superceding indictment for inciting an insurrection.

Admittedly, this may just be me wishcasting. Incitement is what I most wanted him charged with on sheer principal and hope dies slowly.

JMO

 
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After having basked in conspiracy theories about the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, some supporters of former President Donald Trump are worried that a rally Trump is promoting outside the Fulton County Jail in Georgia ahead of his expected surrender in the state election interference case is an FBI setup.

The rally, promoted by the far-right activist Laura Loomer, is expected at 10 a.m. ET Thursday, the day Trump has said he plans to turn himself in. Trump posted a link to a Newsweek article about the rally on his social media platform, Truth Social, as well as a screenshot of a Loomer post calling on Trump supporters to gather at the jail.

"Watch out for the FBI and antifa/blm to stir up a riot," a social media user with the display name "Ultra Maga" wrote.

"Be careful, it could be a setup just like the J6," another user wrote. "Watch out for FBI plants," echoed another user. "They can play havoc with your peaceful plans."

Jan. 6 was not, in fact, an FBI setup. More than a thousand Trump supporters have been arrested for their actions during the Capitol riot, including some who conspiracy theorists have suggested were undercover agents bent on entrapping conservatives.
Wow, they’ve done so well at brainwashing their own supporters that they’re now afraid to show up at MAGA-backed events. Hoisted by their own petard, indeed.
 
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A Trump supporter indicted last week in Fulton County, Ga., for allegedly harassing an election worker was charged earlier this year with attacking an FBI agent working on the Justice Department’s parallel investigation of efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

It could also complicate any bail agreement for Floyd in Fulton County,

Agents went to Floyd’s apartment in Rockville, Md., on Feb. 23 to serve a grand jury subpoena, according to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland. The agents were delivering the subpoena as part of Smith’s investigation of efforts by Trump and his supporters to undo the results of the 2020 election, according to two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the investigation. The subpoena sought Floyd’s appearance before a federal grand jury in Washington…

The affidavit accuses Floyd of body-slamming an agent and hurling expletives at the agent and his colleague…

The affidavit says Floyd rushed toward the agents and ran into one of them, jabbing a finger in his face and continuing to scream expletives. Floyd backed away when he saw that the other agent was reaching toward his weapon, the document says….

Big and bad until the agent reached for a weapon. People have lost their minds if they think this is an appropriate way to treat someone….acting like this is a good way to possibly get hurt
 
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Well this will be interesting when it happens. Voice of one side and the voice of the other being heard in court. I am not sure how Raffensperger feels about the idea of being subpoenaed but it once again throws factions of the party at each other. Hopefully, the rhetoric will not be what it was in 2020-21 when threats and doxing happened.

Raffensperger expected to be subpoenaed for Meadows’ Fulton hearing :
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has been told he will be subpoenaed to provide testimony at a court hearing in which former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows will argue the Fulton County case against him should be removed to federal court.
 
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If our local Fox affiliate cuts away from the Falcons game for this, I'm going to be so mad! Watch them do a split screen ala OJ.
We have how many more indictees left who have to turn themselves in before tomorrow at noon? After former guy there are nine left? Cutting it super close. DA Willis may have a busy afternoon tomorrow with signing arrest warrants. IMO.
Saints fan here and I will be watching said game. I too will tolerate a split screen but don’t you interrupt my football lol
 
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