GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023

[BayouBelle_LA]

Actually, this does not defy reason and logic. Every tech company makes continues improvements.

If it’s so perfect the way it is then they wouldn’t need security patches. But by all means let’s wait until after the 2024 presidential election. That is senseless.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well well, looky here. Curling vs Raffensperger involved Diebold voting machines, not Dominion voting machines.

That suit, Curling v. Raffensperger, sought to compel state officials to switch from electronic machine voting to ballots bubbled in by hand. At the time, the state used the “Diebold” machines made by a company called Elections Systems & Software, which provided no independent paper trail to verify the electronic vote count. In 2019, the federal judge overseeing the case, Amy Totenberg, ordered the state to retire its “technologically outdated and vulnerable voting system” ahead of the March 2020 primaries. In the wake of that ruling, the state ultimately settled on the different voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems.

What the Heck Happened in Coffee County, Georgia?

A detailed look back at the computer intrusion that features prominently in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s election interference indictment

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Snoopster]

*Not* sealing is standard practice.

No, Georgia officials didn’t err in releasing Trump indictment with grand jurors' names

THE FACTS: A grand jury in Georgia on Monday indicted Trump as well as 18 others for their alleged efforts to overturn the results of his 2020 election loss in the state.

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Stop putting common sense facts in front of us, Leilei!

The election has been proven to be valid and yet people keep grasping at straws and following conspiracy theories. Apparently they are effective, unfortunately.

 

[Snoopster]

If it’s so perfect the way it is then they wouldn’t need security patches. But by all means let’s wait until after the 2024 presidential election. That is senseless.

It’s shady to me that they want to wait until 2025 to do the security patches. If there are no security weaknesses why do the patches at all. This defies reason and logic. moo

What is your source?

 

[MyBelle]

*Not* sealing is standard practice.

No, Georgia officials didn’t err in releasing Trump indictment with grand jurors' names

THE FACTS: A grand jury in Georgia on Monday indicted Trump as well as 18 others for their alleged efforts to overturn the results of his 2020 election loss in the state.

apnews.com

Thanks for the clarification. I still don't understand why the DA didn't ask for the info to be under seal.

JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

What is your source?

Here you go.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/dominion-voting-georgia-vulnerabilities-2024/index.html

Georgia won’t update vulnerable Dominion software until after 2024 election​

But Georgia has not implemented the recommended security patch and state officials said they are waiting to do so until after 2024.

Delaying the security patches until 2025 is “worse than doing nothing,” warned Halderman, “since it puts world-be adversaries on notice that the state will conduct the presidential election with this particular version of software with known vulnerabilities, giving them nearly 18 months to prepare and deploy attacks.”

 

[Snoopster]

Here you go.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/dominion-voting-georgia-vulnerabilities-2024/index.html

Georgia won’t update vulnerable Dominion software until after 2024 election​

But Georgia has not implemented the recommended security patch and state officials said they are waiting to do so until after 2024.

Delaying the security patches until 2025 is “worse than doing nothing,” warned Halderman, “since it puts world-be adversaries on notice that the state will conduct the presidential election with this particular version of software with known vulnerabilities, giving them nearly 18 months to prepare and deploy attacks.”

Thank you BayouBelle. I appreciate the link.

Quoting from the article:

While state and federal officials have suggested it is unlikely that these vulnerabilities could be exploited, the newly released report points out that Georgia is far more dependent on this particular Dominion software than any other state, potentially undermining confidence in its ability to conduct a secure election.

Georgia officials have dismissed the potential for these weaknesses to be exploited.

“It’s extremely unlikely that any bad actor would be able to exploit our voting systems in the real world. The system is secure,” Gabriel Sterling, a top election official in the Georgia secretary of state’s office, said in a press release from earlier this month, adding that safeguards are already in place to “mitigate these hypothetical scenarios".

It sounds like officials aren't concerned.
To your point, it would be good if they could deal with these issues, but as with most systems, they focus on the cost/benefit of making improvements and fixes.

Thanks again for providing the link.

 

[Leilei]

Well well, looky here. Curling vs Raffensperger involved Diebold voting machines, not Dominion voting machines.

That suit, Curling v. Raffensperger, sought to compel state officials to switch from electronic machine voting to ballots bubbled in by hand. At the time, the state used the “Diebold” machines made by a company called Elections Systems & Software, which provided no independent paper trail to verify the electronic vote count. In 2019, the federal judge overseeing the case, Amy Totenberg, ordered the state to retire its “technologically outdated and vulnerable voting system” ahead of the March 2020 primaries. In the wake of that ruling, the state ultimately settled on the different voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems.

What the Heck Happened in Coffee County, Georgia?

A detailed look back at the computer intrusion that features prominently in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s election interference indictment

www.lawfaremedia.org

This is a must-read article! Thank you for posting it, Izzy.

 

[vls12345]

How does this all work with his Secret Service detail?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/18/politics/when-trump-surrender-fulton-county-jail/index.html

Negotiations between Trump’s lawyers and Willis’ prosecutors are expected to continue into next week, ahead of the surrender deadline. The exact timing of Trump’s surrender remains unclear.

[snip]

The US Secret Service has been onsite at the Fulton County Jail for the last several weeks working with the Fulton County Sheriff Department and the city of Atlanta in planning for the former president’s surrender, a USSS spokesperson told CNN.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

From the link I posted earlier. It's long but detailed and well sourced. Somehow I don't think Latham was just an innocent little retired schoolteacher.

Latham would later admit under oath that she visited D.C. for an unspecified period sometime in December. But she did not confirm the reason she gave at the time. In her deposition, rather, she claimed that she traveled to the capital city because she had been invited to go on a “tour” by a woman named Juliana Thompson, because Latham hadn’t been able to go the previous year.

“We [got] to see the Christmas trees, and I got to go to the Bible Museum,” she explained.

When asked if she met with anyone who was not with the D.C. tour group, Latham replied, “I’m going to plead the Fifth on that.”

But if Latham was in D.C. only to tour the Museum of the Bible and see Christmas trees, why did she tell Marks that she was “about to meet with IT guys”?

And Latham did admit in her deposition that she stayed at the Willard Hotel during her trip.

“That’s where I slept,” she said.

If the Willard Hotel rings a Jan. 6 bell, that’s because it served as the “command center” for the legal arm of the Trump campaign led by Giuliani in this period of time.

What the Heck Happened in Coffee County, Georgia?

A detailed look back at the computer intrusion that features prominently in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s election interference indictment

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[IzzyBlanche]

This is a must-read article! Thank you for posting it, Izzy.

I agree, and you are quite welcome!

 

[Snoopster]

From the link I posted earlier. It's long but detailed and well sourced. Somehow I don't think Latham was just an innocent little retired schoolteacher.

Latham would later admit under oath that she visited D.C. for an unspecified period sometime in December. But she did not confirm the reason she gave at the time. In her deposition, rather, she claimed that she traveled to the capital city because she had been invited to go on a “tour” by a woman named Juliana Thompson, because Latham hadn’t been able to go the previous year.

“We [got] to see the Christmas trees, and I got to go to the Bible Museum,” she explained.

When asked if she met with anyone who was not with the D.C. tour group, Latham replied, “I’m going to plead the Fifth on that.”

But if Latham was in D.C. only to tour the Museum of the Bible and see Christmas trees, why did she tell Marks that she was “about to meet with IT guys”?

And Latham did admit in her deposition that she stayed at the Willard Hotel during her trip.

“That’s where I slept,” she said.

If the Willard Hotel rings a Jan. 6 bell, that’s because it served as the “command center” for the legal arm of the Trump campaign led by Giuliani in this period of time.

What the Heck Happened in Coffee County, Georgia?

A detailed look back at the computer intrusion that features prominently in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s election interference indictment

www.lawfaremedia.org

but, but, but....she got to tour the Bible Museum so she must be just pure of heart, right?

Latham was not just a random, innocent tourist. JMO.

It seems she was involved in a security breach in Georgia.

Latham, who also served as a fake elector from Georgia after the 2020 election, has come under scrutiny for her role in the Coffee County breach after surveillance video showed she allowed unauthorized outsiders to spend hours examining voting systems there.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/13/politics/coffee-county-georgia-voting-system-breach-trump/index.html

 

[TootsieFootsie]

but, but, but....she got to tour the Bible Museum so she must be just pure of heart, right?

And Christmas trees.

Who could find anything more innocent than the combination of Christmas trees and the Bible

 

[Leilei]

but, but, but....she got to tour the Bible Museum so she must be just pure of heart, right?

Latham was not just a random, innocent tourist. JMO.

It seems she was involved in a security breach in Georgia.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/13/politics/coffee-county-georgia-voting-system-breach-trump/index.html

She literally unlocked the doors and let those people in, and they scanned and downloaded to their hearts content. And Trump WON Coffee County - bigly - but I think that they focused there because Latham gave them an open invitation.
IMO.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

She literally unlocked the doors and let those people in, and they scanned and downloaded to their hearts content. And Trump WON Coffee County - bigly - but I think that they focused there because Latham gave them an open invitation.
IMO.

I have to say what on earth were they thinking that made what they were doing ok ?

 

[Friday Fan]

We have ES&S machines in Texas. The machines didn't bother Trump supporters until recently. Now they want to take the machines apart. They also have security patch issues too.


Trump supporters want to go back to hand counted paper ballots. The good ole days of stuffing ballot boxes wink wink.nod, nod.


Democrats in other states think ES&S machines are rigged to support Republicans.


However, Texas state law requires that all ballots be counted in 24 hours, so it looks like the state will be using machines until further notice.

 

[Leilei]

I have to say what on earth were they thinking that made what they were doing ok ?

Delusions of grandeur, maybe? Believing that they were "saving" the former guy and that they would be rewarded somehow? Or they were just plain bamboozled.
I like this quote -
“If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well well, looky here. Curling vs Raffensperger involved Diebold voting machines, not Dominion voting machines.

That suit, Curling v. Raffensperger, sought to compel state officials to switch from electronic machine voting to ballots bubbled in by hand. At the time, the state used the “Diebold” machines made by a company called Elections Systems & Software, which provided no independent paper trail to verify the electronic vote count. In 2019, the federal judge overseeing the case, Amy Totenberg, ordered the state to retire its “technologically outdated and vulnerable voting system” ahead of the March 2020 primaries. In the wake of that ruling, the state ultimately settled on the different voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems.

What the Heck Happened in Coffee County, Georgia?

A detailed look back at the computer intrusion that features prominently in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’s election interference indictment

www.lawfaremedia.org

And now the federal lawsuit applies to Dominion Systems. Halderman's evaluation was two years ago. Georgia still refuses to implement the necessary patch but the basis of the suit is whether such electronic systems violate voters First and Fourteenth Amendment rights to cast votes that will RELIABLY be counted.

JMO

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Plaintiffs’ motions challenge the State Defendants’ mode of implementation of a new voting system enacted by the Georgia Legislature on April 2, 2019 and their ongoing use of software, data systems, policies and practices that allegedly burden and impede Plaintiffs’ exercise of their First and Fourteenth Amendment rights to cast ballot votes that will be reliably counted.

The Plaintiffs allege that Defendants have failed to implement a constitutionally acceptable election system by requiring all in-person voters to use a BMD system that, as a whole, in its design and operation, is not voter-verifiable, secure, or reliable.

They contend this system suffers from some of the same major cybersecurity vulnerabilities posed by Defendants’ deeply flawed, outdated Direct Recording Electronic ("DRE") Voting System addressed by the Court's lengthy Order of August 15, 2019 that granted injunctive relief. (Doc. 579.) Plaintiffs’ challenge embraces an array of associated issues involving the electronic voting process that impact if an individual's vote (whether recorded from a scanned BMD-generated barcode or a hand-marked paper ballot) will be correctly captured, scanned, and accurately counted. Their claims thus also raise significant issues regarding the auditing of the election system's voting results and ballot processing.

 

[Leilei]

We have ES&S machines in Texas. The machines didn't bother Trump supporters until recently. Now they want to take the machines apart. They also have security patch issues too.


Trump supporters want to go back to hand counted paper ballots. The good ole days of stuffing ballot boxes wink wink.nod, nod.


Democrats in other states think ES&S machines are rigged to support Republicans.


However, Texas state law requires that all ballots be counted in 24 hours, so it looks like the state will be using machines until further notice.

I was researching yesterday, and I think that I read that only GA and SC don't offer paper ballots (exceptions in GA are mail-in/absentee). I could be mistaken. I was honestly shocked at that.
IMO

 

[Friday Fan]

I was researching yesterday, and I think that I read that only GA and SC don't offer paper ballots (exceptions in GA are mail-in/absentee). I could be mistaken. I was honestly shocked at that.
IMO

Texas only has hand counted paper ballots for very small jurisdictions.

Mail ballots in our county are paper, but they're machine scanned. (Like the tests we took in HS and College etc)

If there is a problem with a scan, (the scanner rejects the ballot), the ballot is hand inspected.