GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[SugarQueen]

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This case should go into trainings. I don’t know why it went so badly. But - as one of the passerby had said to both policemen, “your careers are ended”.

I am trying to understand if there was a better way out in our very difficult times.

I think the answer to the question why it went so badly lands right at Mr Brooks feet.

 

[Keefer]

This case should go into trainings. I don’t know why it went so badly. But - as one of the passerby had said to both policemen, “your careers are ended”.

I am trying to understand if there was a better way out in our very difficult times.

I think dui is a misdemeanor in Georgia? If so, I dont see why they could not let him walk to his sisters house which he said was a few blocks away and impound his car. He could come to court later and plead his case. The police had the breathalyzer results, so he would be likely convicted of dui.

 

[Rocky1]

I give her more credit.

I think the difference between merely justifiable (non criminal) uses of deadly force verse truly justified (ethical) use of deadly force has existed before she became Mayor of Atlanta.

Likewise, there have been other officers whose of use of deadly force was found to be "justifiable" as in non criminal, but not ethically warranted. They were then fired.

Fair enough.
My point is if what he did was follow policy, then how could he be fired? The mayor's opinion is subjective saying maybe he shouldn't have. Policy is specific, It's in writing.

 

[Rocco]

It depends on what the drunk and addicts are shooting.

If the officer knew it was a taser (and there is a pretty good to extremely good chance that he did), then lethal force is very questionable.

The Mayor of Atlanta made a very good, but very low key comment when she observed that being able to do something does not always mean that one needs to do something.

The above aside, I am very supportive of the police and the need to prevent looting. Trump was right to call out the National Guard once he saw that looting had moved from spontaneous to systematic.

He had to make a split second decision when Brooks turned around and shot at him.
He probably would have preferred his taser but...............

 

[Trident]

Look, I am looking at the video, the beginning, when both of these guys look at each other, showing empty hands. It started normally. And I am asking, what the heck?

I am not blaming the officer. I think the decision when a drunk guy has to be put in shackles and brought to jail was probably the "typical" one but not the only one.

They had everything to prove he was drunk. Call home, bring someone in to drive him, and slap him with the fine for drunk sleeping and maybe, the cost of towing the car. Make him go to AA, a year of AA, the Book and 12 steps will be really a bad punishment. Or drive him home, if you are really nice.

Now, with all the losses due to this case, I am trying to find out if there are better ways of conflict resolution.

Here's an idea for ya - Don't break the law in the first place, but if you do, obey the policeman's orders, don't physically fight with him/them, don't grab his taser, don't run away then try to tase the officer then keep running. THAT is a sure way to ensure a bad resolution to the conflict.

MY OPINION.

 

[Keefer]

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I think the answer to the question why it went so badly lands right at Mr Brooks feet.

And would you like less trouble or more trouble? If you want to continue a cycle that is untenable, good luck.

 

[mickey2942]

Maybe we should ask police of the countries where the relationships are better. Sweden of Norway, maybe Germany? Because they have exactly the same issues with poverty and crime, and tons of immigrants, but somehow manage.

Yes, by letting them police themselves. There are "no go" zones for officers in many countries. Where the immigrants live.

As for the other, the officers don't carry guns. And they are pretty sure that the offenders don't have guns. So, that is a whole other can of worms.

 

[Keefer]

Here's an idea for ya - Don't break the law in the first place, but if you do, obey the policeman's orders, don't physically fight with him/them, don't grab his taser, don't run away then try to tase the officer then keep running. THAT is a sure way to ensure a bad resolution to the conflict.

MY OPINION.

Your opinion is largely losing favor with leaders in law enforcement, you might want to see what NYPD has announced.

 

[Simply Southern]

I think dui is a misdemeanor in Georgia? If so, I dont see why they could not let him walk to his sisters house which he said was a few blocks away and impound his car. He could come to court later and plead his case. The police had the breathalyzer results, so he would be likely convicted of dui.

Why is he any different than any other citizen that drinks and drives?

In the video, he repeatedly stated different cities and roads he thought he was located at. He didn't even know what city he was in, how could he begin to walk home? If they did let him walk and he walked in front of a car and was killed, the police would also be respond.

 

[Charlot123]

It will be interesting to see the results of the toxicology report.
I am puzzled how someone that blows a .108 could be passed out drunk or sleeping one second and then coherent enough to overpower two cops the next.
I'm wondering if there were other factors that contributed to the sudden change of behavior.

I am surprised that he passed out to start with. But he had a breathalyzer test - what? - maybe an hour before he passed out, so his initial BAL could have been higher.
Also, people have different capacity to metabolize alcohol, he might have been “untrained drinker”, he might have been tired and not slept well the previous night.

 

[Trident]

Maybe we should ask police of the countries where the relationships are better. Sweden of Norway, maybe Germany? Because they have exactly the same issues with poverty and crime, and tons of immigrants, but somehow manage.

Maybe they have big carpets?

It's my understanding they don't publicize much of the crime that goes on.

MY OPINION

 

[Rocco]

Your opinion is largely losing favor with leaders in law enforcement, you might want to see what NYPD has announced.

Do you have a link to what they've announced?

 

[Keefer]

Why is he any different than any other citizen that drinks and drives?

In the video, he repeatedly stated different cities and roads he thought he was located at. He didn't even know what city he was in, how could he begin to walk home? If they did let him walk and he walked in front of a car and was killed, the police would also be respond.

They knew exactly who he was and they had his car. Apparently he traveled frequently to other cities to work construction, according to his wife. He said his sister lived a few blocks away.
I want less violence not more. There are smarter and safer ways to do this, and it will cost a lot less money.

 

[SugarQueen]

And would you like less trouble or more trouble? .

I’m not sure I follow what you mean here. By “ trouble” do you mean riots and looting? Or ?

 

[Keefer]

Do you have a link to what they've announced?

Sorry, i saw it on tv, NYPD commish announced it live.

 

[Keefer]

I’m not sure I follow what you mean here. By “ trouble” do you mean riots and looting? Or ?

Yes, much less social disruption and more cooperation with le.

 

[Charlot123]

'are we to shoot all of our alcoholics and addicts?'

Only if they shoot at us first.

He wasn't shot for being drunk.

Shot and tazered are still different things.

I totally agree that he Brooks made a wrong decision. But the consequences of the officers letting him go (they knew his license nr, name, had his car...they would have found him easily!) versus shooting at him are incomparable.

 

[Rocco]

Shot and tazered are still different things.

I totally agree that he Brooks made a wrong decision. But the consequences of the officers letting him go (they knew his license nr, name, had his car...they would have found him easily!) versus shooting at him are incomparable.

He didn't have the option to taser him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What if the taser disabled the officer and he was able to get the gun and shoot both officers - what conversation would we be having ? The minute he took the weapon he became responsible
IMO

What conversation would we be having? We wouldn't. The facts are clear just by reading the horrific cases here where police officers have been brutally murdered with many ambushed.

Each thread where another police officer has been murdered quickly falls to the backpage becoming silent because of little to no posts at all.

It's a heartbreaking stark reminder how so many really dont care whatsoever.

It's just another dead cop, another father or mother son or daughter taken. Another husband or wife that has to be buried.

The inactivity on threads of the murders of police officers tells us far more than words.

Yet they answer 911 calls for help over 50 million times a year!!!!

The unarmed whites or other races killed doesnt matter either. Do we see this amount of news coverage when it happens more times a year than to unarmed blacks? Absolutely not. The MSM sure isnt going to reveal the facts. Imo they are too busy inciting, and supporting race wars. They've done it even before Ferguson burned.

Imo, law abiding citizens have to be so sick and tired of having our cities destroyed by the lawless.

BLM says they want equal justice yet no other race when their loved ones are shot and killed by police acts out violently. They want everyone to believe they are peace loving people. So are citizens to shut their eyes pretending they dont see the constant violence they do against innocent people?

Jmhoo

 

[Simply Southern]

Your opinion is largely losing favor with leaders in law enforcement, you might want to see what NYPD has announced.

Is this the announcement you are referring to?

NYPD Brass: We’re Arresting Too Many Prisoners on Early COVID Release

Chief LiPetri tells NBC New York the NYPD did not object to releasing older defendants, nor those with underlying medical conditions. But he says the consequences of the larger-scale release of prisoners are now showing up in the arrest data, with those 250 re-offenders being arrested 450 times so far during the pandemic.