GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[Foxfire]

There is plenty of reason to suspect there is no DNA. First off Shirley was in the water for 10 days so that rules dna out on her remains.

Secondly DNA does reveal the gender/ethnicity of the suspect (even though that is rarely discussed because it isn't PC).

If they had DNA I think Sills would have come out with a bit more info on a possible POI that they wanted to talk to, such as a white/black/hispanic male that may have been in the area that day based on the mystery dna markers (modsnip)

Yes, Sonya610, although Sills didn't specify dna, he said that there is forensics and other evidence that will tie a suspect to the crime once apprehended.
Imo, Sills is likely focused on AA perps in the Dermond murders investigation for multiple reasons.. Concerning the determination of the ethnicity of a perp/s using dna forensics. Derrick Todd Lee; the Baton Rouge Serial Killer, comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Todd_Lee

Lee was linked by DNA to the deaths of seven women in the Baton Rouge and Lafayette areas in Louisiana, and in 2004 was convicted of the murders of Geralyn DeSoto and Charlotte Murray Pace. Newspapers have suggested Lee can be linked to other unsolved murders in the area, but the police lacked DNA evidence to prove these connections. After Lee's arrest, it was discovered that another serial killer, Sean Vincent Gillis, was operating in the Baton Rouge area during the same time as Lee.

Two of the victims' bodies were discovered at the Whiskey Bay boat launch, approximately 30 miles west of Baton Rouge, just off Interstate 10.
Because the majority of publicized serial killers are white, and based on erroneous eyewitness accounts, police originally believed the killer to be white. Police therefore administered thousands of DNA tests to Caucasian men in and around the general area of the murders.

Having no leads, police then allowed DNAPrint Genomics access to DNA left at the crime scenes. DNAPrint Genomics generated an ancestry profile indicating that the suspect was 85% African,[2] thus changing the course of the investigation: Police now knew they were searching for a black man for the January 2002 slaying of Geralyn Barr DeSoto. More specific analysis of the DNA evidence found under the fingernails of DeSoto linked Lee to the 21-year-old Addis, Louisiana woman’s death.

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May 5, 2015
Person of interest identified in murder, beheading of elderly couple
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/exclusive-sheriff-has-person-interest-murder-behea/nk9M3/

Tuesday, Sills confirmed exclusively to Winne that he has a person of interest in the case.
He told Winne the person of interest is someone they’ve interviewed before.
“Statements made to us, we later determined, were not completely truthful,” Sills said.
Sills says he doesn’t have enough so far to elevate the person of interest to an official suspect and investigators still do not have a motive for the murders.

Sills says it’s a case that weighs on his mind every day.
“They’re still out there and by God, they’re capable of doing anything,” Sills said.
Sills says he recently re-interviewed a close relative.
“I took a firmer tone this time. This person kind of broke down. After it was over with, my personal thoughts are that she certainly didn’t have anything to do with it, but I never say never,” Sills told Winne.

He says when they do, they have both physical and forensic evidence to compare to that person.

 

[Foxfire]

Imo, the psychological behavioral profile of the unknown suspect/s in the Dermond murders prepared for Sheriff Sills by the FBI BAU2 will be synonymous to that of Brian Nichols; Fulton Co., GA Courthouse Shooter<2005>...

There has always been evil in our midst, and even though there is much more awareness today due to the internet, 24 hour cable TV news cycles, etc. It is still considered the silent epidemic by many for various reasons, imo. Drugs, video games, media, mental disorders, gang violence, breakdown of the family structure, as well as the Church, etc., seems to be at least part of the catalyst for this devaluation of human life, imo.
After researching psychopathic sexual predators, serial/spree killers, and other deviant creatures for years. I can honestly say, "nothing would surprise me as to the depths of depravity that many soulless human beings are capable of in today's society, especially if the motive is revenge or retribution against the justice system.. jmo

A prime example of this depravity can be seen in psychopath Brian Nichols' facial expression, or lack thereof while listening to the audio replay of the Fulton County Courthouse shooting Atlanta, GA, 2005> Nichols' overpowered and stole a deputy's firearm and assassinated Judge Rowland W. Barnes (the judge presiding over his trial) and Julie Brandau (a court reporter), Sgt. Hoyt Teasley (a Sheriff's Deputy) / David G. Wilhelm (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent)>

Raw Video: Audio of 2005 Fulton Co., GA Courthouse Shooting (Warning VERY Graphic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBidaxlAaWM

Brian Gene NICHOLS; Fulton Courthouse Shooter
Nichols told police he felt like a "soldier on a mission" exacting revenge on a judicial system he feels is unfair to African-Americans. He feared he was about to go to prison for a rape he claims he didn't commit and grew weary of awaiting trial in jail and looking at a sea of black faces. He describes how he flung the much smaller female deputy into the concrete wall like a rag doll. After taking her weapon instead of escaping down nearby stairs, he ran across a sky bridge to hunt down the judge in his rape case. He said Barnes was nice, but part of a larger system of injustice. He also killed the judge's court reporter when she stood to check on the judge. He said he shot the sheriff's sergeant outside the courthouse so he could escape and he later shot the federal agent in Buckhead while attempting to steal his car. He also admitted holding Ashley Smith hostage in her apartment before he surrendered.

"I was actually very impressed that they didn't shoot me when I walked out the door," Nichols told police in the videotaped interview on March 12, 2005. &#8220;He was very up front and very detailed and meticulous in telling me what happened,&#8221; Velazquez said. &#8220;It was one of the easiest interviews I&#8217;ve ever done."

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard said he saw Nichols shortly after he was taken into custody and he appeared to be "someone who was proud of what he had done -- that he did not show remorse."

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Just wanted to say that it is great that police have a person of interest.
They said significant evidence was found w/ Mrs Dermond body, DNA not likely to survive in water, it has to be something else.
It's very unusual and gruesome case, person who did this, must be deviant to some extent.


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[Fifth Avenue]

There is plenty of reason to suspect there is no DNA. First off Shirley was in the water for 10 days so that rules dna out on her remains.

Secondly DNA does reveal the gender/ethnicity of the suspect (even though that is rarely discussed because it isn't PC).

If they had DNA I think Sills would have come out with a bit more info on a possible POI that they wanted to talk to, such as a white/black/hispanic male that may have been in the area that day based on the mystery dna markers <modsnip>.

Actually DNA does reveal the gender. It can also be very revealing about person' ethnic heritage.

But police does not always say do they have DNA or not, they can easily mislead, for example if they wish to make a suspect nervous.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/27/genetics.cancer


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[Canaille]

Has it been discussed here yet about the possibility of Mr D being a trustee of a trust?

I was wondering about that possibility... If a trustee dies, then what becomes of the trust? It could be one theory of why it wouldn't have been important for Mrs D to be found.

 

[Canaille]

"Because the majority of publicized serial killers are white, and based on erroneous eyewitness accounts, police originally believed the killer to be white."

I lived in the area at that time. Never have I seen so much fear and chaos. I think it really threw everyone off that Lee was not the stereotypical serial killer.

 

[windrower]

Yes, Sonya610, although Sills didn't specify dna, he said that there is forensics and other evidence that will tie a suspect to the crime once apprehended.

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May 5, 2015
Person of interest identified in murder, beheading of elderly couple
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/exclusive-sheriff-has-person-interest-murder-behea/nk9M3/

Tuesday, Sills confirmed exclusively to Winne that he has a person of interest in the case.
He told Winne the person of interest is someone they&#8217;ve interviewed before.
&#8220;Statements made to us, we later determined, were not completely truthful,&#8221; Sills said.
Sills says he doesn&#8217;t have enough so far to elevate the person of interest to an official suspect and investigators still do not have a motive for the murders.

Sills says it&#8217;s a case that weighs on his mind every day.
&#8220;They&#8217;re still out there and by God, they&#8217;re capable of doing anything,&#8221; Sills said.
Sills says he recently re-interviewed a close relative.
&#8220;I took a firmer tone this time. This person kind of broke down. After it was over with, my personal thoughts are that she certainly didn&#8217;t have anything to do with it, but I never say never,&#8221; Sills told Winne.

He says when they do, they have both physical and forensic evidence to compare to that person.

quote snipped by me.

"She" (Daughter? Granddaughter? Niece?) may not have had anything to do with the murders, but someone she knew may have. A case, recently profiled on a tv show, was about a guy who murdered for a woman, thinking it was something she wanted done, based on their conversations. He had a romantic interest in her, though it was not reciprocated. I imagine LE has thoroughly investigated even peripheral relationships of the close relatives, as this crime does not appear random. The question of who all visited over Easter--and any other recent visits--seems important to answer.

I do keep wondering about the murdered son, just something bothering me with him, his family, and that event.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Subscribing......

 

[watcher9]

I don't have an account to see the letter but when I did a search for TM, I came across this article about the Dermond killings dated May 14, 2014 from the Morgan County Citizen. It has an interesting comment which echoes that same line of thought about TM. It would be interesting to know if the Dermonds had been protesting his parole.

http://www.morgancountycitizen.com/lake-murder-shocks-community/

 

[Bootsctr]

Found it. Current lawyer, Mark A. Yurachek. From what I can gather, TM claims he was arrested when he arrived in Miami, FL by the Miami PD after traveling to US to meet his daughter for the first time and shipped to the state of Georgia. He won't sign papers for the prison to read his outgoing mail ? (didn't think prison needed permission?) and they are denying him visitation from his newborn grandson because he won't sign release. Claims he wasn't even in the US when MD's murder happened and that the passenger (Grady Harris) in the car even said TM was NOT the shooter. He says the "main witness" Paula Heard, was never credible. Claims "ineffective counsel" (Greenburg) at the trial because they would not call his witnesses and lawyer at the time never checked his alibi. He has married while incarcerated and his "then-future" spouse is the one who located his current attorney for TM's "failure of the system."

 

[southernmimi]

quote snipped by me.

"She" (Daughter? Granddaughter? Niece?) may not have had anything to do with the murders, but someone she knew may have. A case, recently profiled on a tv show, was about a guy who murdered for a woman, thinking it was something she wanted done, based on their conversations. He had a romantic interest in her, though it was not reciprocated. I imagine LE has thoroughly investigated even peripheral relationships of the close relatives, as this crime does not appear random. The question of who all visited over Easter--and any other recent visits--seems important to answer.

I do keep wondering about the murdered son, just something bothering me with him, his family, and that event.

Any young person who would kill for romance would also take items from the house to pawn. From what I've read, they had a close and loving family. The Dermonds were also intelligent enough to have their wealth protected at their demise.

 

[southernmimi]

quote snipped by me.

"She" (Daughter? Granddaughter? Niece?) may not have had anything to do with the murders, but someone she knew may have. A case, recently profiled on a tv show, was about a guy who murdered for a woman, thinking it was something she wanted done, based on their conversations. He had a romantic interest in her, though it was not reciprocated. I imagine LE has thoroughly investigated even peripheral relationships of the close relatives, as this crime does not appear random. The question of who all visited over Easter--and any other recent visits--seems important to answer.

I do keep wondering about the murdered son, just something bothering me with him, his family, and that event.

Any young person who would kill for romance would also take items from the house to pawn. From what I've read, they had a close and loving family. The Dermonds were also intelligent enough to have their wealth protected at their demise.

 

[Bootsctr]

I think the children are scared...

 

[Peppery]

I think the children are scared...

I would be scared too. I'm guessing the "kids" are in their 50-60's with children or possibly grandchildren of their own and this lunatic is still out there. We don't know his motive so we don't know if he will strike again.

 

[southernmimi]

I would be scared too. I'm guessing the "kids" are in their 50-60's with children or possibly grandchildren of their own and this lunatic is still out there. We don't know his motive so we don't know if he will strike again.

Three murders, among immediate family, is very unusual. Enough to make the remaining family fearful.

 

[Foxfire]

Three murders, among immediate family, is very unusual. Enough to make the remaining family fearful.

Yes, it is unusual southernmimi.. Especially three family members murdered in two separate tragic incidents, almost two decades and over sixty miles apart.. One of the murders occured in a drug infested crime ridden neighborhood in the mean streets of Atlanta where murders were almost as common as traffic jams on I-75.. While the other two horrific murders occured in a secure gated golf and country club community where the last murder in the whole county was almost 2 decades ago, and the last decapitation, only in someones' nightmare.. Sheriff Sills described RP/GW as relatively crime free; where nary a misdemeanor occurs...

What is everyone's take on why Putnam County Sheriff Sills, has not requested the assistance of the very experienced and well trained elite special investigative agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigations? TYIA

<BBM for Focus>

A Year Later, Putnam County Sheriff Still Baffled by Dermond Murders
http://www.wgxa.tv/news/local/A-Yea...ill-Baffled-by-Dermond-Murders-302427511.html
&#8220;For every theory that I can come up with, I can come up with another. And we've looked at every theory, we've talked to everybody we know. It has so many contradictions in the case, contradictions of the evidence.

People in the community are concerned something like this happened and no arrests have been made.

&#8220;I'm sure they still worry about it because I still worry about it. Whoever did this can do it again,&#8221; Sills said.

&#8220;It's really concerning to me because it was such a horrible thing to happen to these folks,&#8221; Smith said.

The unsolved murders weigh heavy on Sills&#8217; mind.
&#8220;It's what I think about when I get up. It's what I think about when I go to sleep. It's what I&#8217;m thinking about off and on during the day,&#8221; Sills said.
Sills wants the Dermond children to know he isn't giving up.
&#8220;It's actively being investigated. I spoke to somebody as recently as Saturday evening about this.&#8221;

Sills said he will do whatever it takes to crack the case.
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[southernmimi]

Rod Wheeler, former Washington DC investigator, said crimes where knives and blunt force trauma are used are typically committed by persons of "latin" descent. He was speaking about the family of 4 recently murdered, but I thought it was an interesting statement.

 

[watcher9]

Didn't know if this had already been posted.

"I consider (him) a suspect myself," said Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills. "But that's all I'll say about it. We had a witness that saw him out there."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...gia-elderly-couple-slain-year-later/70875900/

 

[watcher9]

interesting read on beheadings.

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/behead.html

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Yes, it is unusual southernmimi.. Especially three family members murdered in two separate tragic incidents, almost two decades and over sixty miles apart.. One of the murders occured in a drug infested crime ridden neighborhood in the mean streets of Atlanta where murders were almost as common as traffic jams on I-75.. While the other two horrific murders occured in a secure gated golf and country club community where the last murder in the whole county was almost 2 decades ago, and the last decapitation, only in someones' nightmare.. Sheriff Sills described RP/GW as relatively crime free; where nary a misdemeanor occurs...

What is everyone's take on why Putnam County Sheriff Sills, has not requested the assistance of the very experienced and well trained elite special investigative agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigations? TYIA

<BBM for Focus>

A Year Later, Putnam County Sheriff Still Baffled by Dermond Murders
http://www.wgxa.tv/news/local/A-Yea...ill-Baffled-by-Dermond-Murders-302427511.html
“For every theory that I can come up with, I can come up with another. And we've looked at every theory, we've talked to everybody we know. It has so many contradictions in the case, contradictions of the evidence.

People in the community are concerned something like this happened and no arrests have been made.

“I'm sure they still worry about it because I still worry about it. Whoever did this can do it again,” Sills said.

“It's really concerning to me because it was such a horrible thing to happen to these folks,” Smith said.

The unsolved murders weigh heavy on Sills’ mind.
“It's what I think about when I get up. It's what I think about when I go to sleep. It's what I’m thinking about off and on during the day,” Sills said.
Sills wants the Dermond children to know he isn't giving up.
“It's actively being investigated. I spoke to somebody as recently as Saturday evening about this.”

Sills said he will do whatever it takes to crack the case.
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FWIW
Thoughts running thru my head at this question:

Would you call in the GBI if you NEED their help
Would you call in the GBI if you DIDN"T NEED their help

in other words, does SS know or strongly suspect someone from past putnam countyand is just trying to tie it all together himself?
Probably not since he is still questioning POI not related to past Putnam

Maybe the GBI are too controlling in their endeavors
Maybe SS is too controlling in his endeavors
Maybe SS doesnt' trust the GBI
maybe SS doesnt' like the GBI, as he has called in other Depts for help plus the FBI
Maybe the FBI and other PD's value SS opinions
Maybe the GBI doesn't value SS opinions
Maybe SS and the GBI would both like to be in control
Does he want to solve this case HIMSELF so badly or does he want to be the one that didnt' call in all the available assistance and never solve THe D's case and possibly be blamed for failure in the future

If he's been stubborn about calling them in, his pride won't let him EVER ask for the GBI's assistance as more time passes, he would have to eat crow, and he aint gonna

All that to say....the above convinces me that he doesn't like the GBI boys, they butt heads (for whatever reasons, personalities or past conflict)

What more could the GBI actually offer? Is the GBI profiling any different than the FBI? Are they on different databases? Are the individual police and sheriff depts databases separate from the FBI as well as GBI?

pros and cons, just brainstorming

Also, I see we are still circling, now back to the TM case

Interesting info on TM case Bootsctr posted

The D's didnt' attend the sons murder trial did they? Or do we know? However, I guess that doesnt' mean they weren't later standing in TM way of release