GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[CherokeeOne]

that was discussed too cherokeeone, do you live in the area? we have a home on sinclair, the water can move pretty good but im not sure if 2 cinderblocks can move that fast IMO, I think they put her there personally but that MOO....i had a jetski tethered with cinderblock that never moved for ears, if any a foot this way then that because the water pulls both ways so IDK but anythings possible

I grew up on Oconee and I know it probably wouldn't pull from a cove, but the middle of the lake and closer to the damn, I'm almost certain it would. You have the channel that runs through plus the pull of the water release makes for one heck of a current.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

I grew up on Oconee and I know it probably wouldn't pull from a cove, but the middle of the lake and closer to the damn, I'm almost certain it would. You have the channel that runs through plus the pull of the water release makes for one heck of a current.

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ahhh, yes nearer the dam, that makes sense, we aren't in a cove but on the main river, found a chair by the dock after 3 years that we thought was long gone, i guess my thinking is that if it floats it's gonna move quick and far... but if it's hung up or heavy and underwater then not as easily, the area they found her, even up from the dam tho must surely be stronger.. Also, the blocks weren't bouyant but she may have been even initially...and then especially later but I dont think they dropped her close to home, she was dropped down river IMO, probably closer to where she was found than home IMO....

 

[CherokeeOne]

ahhh, yes nearer the dam, that makes sense, we aren't in a cove but on the main river, found a chair by the dock after 3 years that we thought was long gone, i guess my thinking is that if it floats it's gonna move quick and far... but if it's hung up or heavy and underwater then not as easily, the area they found her, even up from the dam tho must surely be stronger.. Also, the blocks weren't bouyant but she may have been even initially...and then especially later but I dont think they dropped her close to home, she was dropped down river IMO, probably closer to where she was found than home IMO....

Yeah, I would imagine they took her to a far spot to drop her, especially if they went through the trouble to get her to the boat. Plus, down past GW is a lot of very vacant waterfront where no one would be. And the current would be stronger there from the dam.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

Yeah, I would imagine they took her to a far spot to drop her, especially if they went through the trouble to get her to the boat. Plus, down past GW is a lot of very vacant waterfront where no one would be. And the current would be stronger there from the dam.

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Yeah and very quiet boat ramp there near the dam and rock hawk, not the campground but easy to exit, evertime I've been it's quiet and that was daytime, no cameras that I saw and long country roads on 16/sparta hwy, no one would suspect a thing!
Since her body was down there, I'd be money they exited there if they dont live near the d's or on the lake.........https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...d45e29cea35e63!8m2!3d33.3411386!4d-83.1649324

 

[watcher9]

Yeah and very quiet boat ramp there near the dam and rock hawk, not the campground but easy to exit, evertime I've been it's quiet and that was daytime, no cameras that I saw and long country roads on 16/sparta hwy, no one would suspect a thing!
Since her body was down there, I'd be money they exited there if they dont live near the d's or on the lake.........https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...d45e29cea35e63!8m2!3d33.3411386!4d-83.1649324

Sorry about butting in but I think the two of you are on to something here.
I'm thinking Mrs D's body was found upstream from the residence but below the dam. Is the bridge and the dam the same thing? I always wondered if she could have been dropped from the bridge into the current where the blocks were later snagged by the sunken tree. In that case, they wouldn't have even needed a boat. But, how heavily traveled is the bridge? Are there some slack hours?

On the other hand, if they did use a boat, the Lawrence Shoals ramp looks very isolated just looking at the map. Where is it located - upstream, downstream or in between - in relation to the residence and where she was found and the dam or bridge?

 

[Razz]

Sorry about butting in but I think the two of you are on to something here.
I'm thinking Mrs D's body was found upstream from the residence but below the dam. Is the bridge and the dam the same thing? I always wondered if she could have been dropped from the bridge into the current where the blocks were later snagged by the sunken tree. In that case, they wouldn't have even needed a boat. But, how heavily traveled is the bridge? Are there some slack hours?

On the other hand, if they did use a boat, the Lawrence Shoals ramp looks very isolated just looking at the map. Where is it located - upstream, downstream or in between - in relation to the residence and where she was found and the dam or bridge?

For whatever reason, I never thought a boat had been used. Not sure why I think that but if this was some kind of "hit" (and I believe it was) I somehow don't see these perps knowing how to navigate a boat and the lake itself. I always thought they came in by car, loaded her up in the trunk, attached cinder blocks and threw her off ?????? into the water.

I remember reading on some of the sites about this and someone saying they would have dropped her in the waters of the dam and she never would have been found again.

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[dancinunderthemoon]

For whatever reason, I never thought a boat had been used. Not sure why I think that but if this was some kind of "hit" (and I believe it was) I somehow don't see these perps knowing how to navigate a boat and the lake itself. I always thought they came in by car, loaded her up in the trunk, attached cinder blocks and threw her off ?????? into the water.

I remember reading on some of the sites about this and someone saying they would have dropped her in the waters of the dam and she never would have been found again.

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Well IIRC, you cross the lake on sparta hwy, but the dam is off to the left, oconee on the left, sinclair on the right.........if they dropped her off the bridge, she would have been on sinclair side........dont know how the dam works as far as things going over the spillway or whatever but if she could have gone over and the force pushed her to where she was, then maybe so, it is a long stretch of hwy, they could have even gone down on the slinclair side UNDER the bridge,very quiet down there, people do fish but it's not a boat ramp well not like a park boat ramp, very secluded............IIRC... I went down there and explored a while back

Maybe Cherokeone can elaborate on the dam. I guess I was thinking she may get caught up in it but maybe just wide open once it's opened and anything can pass through... I know there are signs that say danger, stay away......

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Sorry about butting in but I think the two of you are on to something here.
I'm thinking Mrs D's body was found upstream from the residence but below the dam. Is the bridge and the dam the same thing? I always wondered if she could have been dropped from the bridge into the current where the blocks were later snagged by the sunken tree. In that case, they wouldn't have even needed a boat. But, how heavily traveled is the bridge? Are there some slack hours?

On the other hand, if they did use a boat, the Lawrence Shoals ramp looks very isolated just looking at the map. Where is it located - upstream, downstream or in between - in relation to the residence and where she was found and the dam or bridge?

I replied to Razz on this, you aren't butting in! Love to hear all points..rehashing tho it may be, maybe a new idea somewhere..........sparta hwy is a long lonely road IMO......there is quite a bit of traffic on it but I think at night it would be eerily quiet, it's a long stretch of 2 lane hwy, roads going to subdv and sparsely spaced homes/farms whatever..........you cross the lake but the on this stretch of hwy, just before the bridge, not sure how far but not very......is the turn to Rock hawk and lawrence shoals and the campground...........LS is very quiet in the daytime, been there many times......the campground entrance is first to the left but snake around to the area where she was found IIRC, someone correct me, but there is dumpster down there that I was concerned about long ago, easily drop a body or parts in there and no one would know a thing

when you cross the bridge, the dam is a ways off from the bridge, not sure what direction this road goes, but sinclair is on the other side but the water spills into sinclair from the Lawrence shoals dam or oconee dam

It spills out of sinclair from sinclair dam into the river towards milledgeville

In my thinking, they used a boat and left to exit and LS and that si where she was found, just before that, a little ways from the dam, she was not right AT the dam, dont recall teh distance

look at googlemaps and youll see what I mean tho

oh and LS is between where SD was found and the dam.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

NOpe, I think LS Dam spills into sinclair, sinclair dam spills OUT Of sinclair I think into oconee river?? They had to dump her before LS and the dam on oconee side

IM back to thinking by boat unless there is a way to get down there by car and oh yea, wasn't a vehicle spotted on google maps once, down there near where she was found? on a wooded section of shore

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

NOpe, I think LS Dam spills into sinclair, sinclair dam spills OUT Of sinclair I think into oconee river?? They had to dump her before LS and the dam on oconee side

IM back to thinking by boat unless there is a way to get down there by car and oh yea, wasn't a vehicle spotted on google maps once, down there near where she was found? on a wooded section of shore

end of 2015 oconee flooded Sinclair, withall the rain we had, sinclair had lowered the lake levels to beyond the docks, oconee was flooding and the water was going over the seawalls I understand/heard, overnight, our water level was raised back to normal and ABOVE, at the edge of seawalls and more in some places, boats were floating off the lifts

we had all gates open at sinclair dam to release as fast as they could

wow, guess i was trying to imagine the dumping from bridge scenario.......but now I know they dumped her on oconee side, she was found in green county, right? so maybe they drove over that side to dump her, on the other hand, LS was the exit and the dam very well could have pulled her furhter down river towards the dam as water was released to other side but not from far up river, she was probalby dumped close to where she was found. IMO

 

[CherokeeOne]

My thing about the dam is this, it's a turbine based hydroelectric power plant, and if i recall correctly they actually have nets in place to keep anything too large (logs) from entering and damaging the turbines. When they open the gates, however, like I said before, it pulls very heavily. If she was found in Greene County, which would be almost everything on the northern side of the lake, it probably meant she was dropped well before the fork that leads north towards the Ritz Carlton. At the base of this fork is the dam, but I don't feel like she was dropped up that fork because it would take a long time by boat or car to go from GW to Reynolds Plantation and the Ritz.

And I don't think she was dropped at the dam...its a long road but it's still a government property in the aspect that it was dammed up by the Army Corp of Engineers. Too much surveillance and stuff going on. Plus, if she was dropped in the Sinclair side she never would have been found in October, and if somehow they got her in the October side, she would've been stuck in the nets/turbines. I feel she was dropped somewhere slightly west of where she was found.

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[watcher9]

I seem to remember that her body was found with the rope/blocks snagged by a sunken tree in the river with a grassy (marshy) area between it and the river bank, too far out to be put in the river from there. That's why they assume a boat was involved.

Weighed down by a pair of 30-pound concrete blocks, her corpse bloated and surfaced facedown in 46 feet of water. By boat, the spot lies some five miles from her home, in a wide bend above the Wallace Dam.

“I still think they came by car, but there is no question whatsoever that Mrs. Dermond’s body was, in my opinion, disposed of by boat,” Sills said. “They could have come by boat.”

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html#storylink=cpy

 

[CherokeeOne]

If the wide bend above Wallace is the one that leads up to the Ritz, that goes to what I was saying. She was dropped by boat westward of where she came up because Wallace would've pulled her closer to the east.

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[Muy Curioso]

Does anyone know how tall was Mr. Dermond? Maybe that information is in some newspaper article.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I seem to remember that her body was found with the rope/blocks snagged by a sunken tree in the river with a grassy (marshy) area between it and the river bank, too far out to be put in the river from there. That's why they assume a boat was involved.






Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html#storylink=cpy

yes I mapped it out once, up river from dam, lots of tree stumps IIRC inthat area but I dont know how to search or never have any luck searching websleuths.......there was an image of a truck in the woods, near the shore near or closer to the dam, not sure and speculation was that maybe someone dropped her in from green county side at that location.......it was way back in the threads I think.........

The last bend in the river was where she was found IIRC, wasn't right up at the dam, it was above LS dock and campground

I always assumed a boat was used and that they exited Lawrence shoals........i can't get past that, they'd have to know the land REAALLY well to find secluded acreage to drop her, easier to go by boat and exit there and even enter there IF THEY HAD A PLAN AND KNEW WHERE They were going

Ill tell you , at night, it can be scary if you think of this case......you can't see a dern thing out there and someone can come up to your house without you even knowing it til it's too late...........where she was found...........DARK.....people fish at night and no one has a clue who's out at their dock fishing or WHATEVER else.......daytime, had someone come up by boat, walk to my SUNROOM and knock and I never saw them come up til they were there and my lot is small

Even daytime where she was found.........like CHerokeone said, it's sparsely populated, or rather NOT populated, no one pays attention to what people do, just assume they're fishing....

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I seem to remember that her body was found with the rope/blocks snagged by a sunken tree in the river with a grassy (marshy) area between it and the river bank, too far out to be put in the river from there. That's why they assume a boat was involved.






Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html#storylink=cpy

with traffic and the pull from the dam, objects do move some, probably why she was snagged on that tree, the lake has a current like a river but not as strong except up closer to the dam, when the dam is open

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

If the wide bend above Wallace is the one that leads up to the Ritz, that goes to what I was saying. She was dropped by boat westward of where she came up because Wallace would've pulled her closer to the east.

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https://www.google.com/maps/dir/33....,-83.2029728,13705m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

147 carolyn is starred, note the fork in the river at lulwater and LS boat launch and the dam to the right, sparta hwy to the right of the dam

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

For those that dont boat or fish........it seems impossible to get around on the rivers........I think I could find the D's house from this map, maybe one day Ill try my luck

But look, it's a straight shot, if you know where you're going.........isnt there a boat launch in this vicinity of 44 CHerokeeOne? I've driven down and looked while recalling the map in my head, straight shot, you can practically see their cove becuase it bends at their place....follow the main river to LS and the dam, piece of cake as long as the coves and little rivers aren't as big as the main river, there wont' be confusion and of course there's gps..........

carolyn is starred


https://www.google.com/maps/dir/33....9,-83.2638628,6906m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/33....MTIcQPGfeaNXfQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!4m1!3e0

on hwy 44

 

[CherokeeOne]

My first thought was the Hwy 44 bridge, but that's a lot of twists and turns for the body to be drug. I can make it from the boat ramp just east of the bridge to the D's cove on a reasonably powered boat or jet ski in less than ten minutes. A pontoon or something slower, I'd say 20-30 minutes. That reinforces my point that I feel as if they put their boat in at the boat ramp just west of GW, loaded her from the scene to the boat, dumped her, and took the boat back out there as well. It's a verrrrry short boat ride from their cove to that marina, but it's a fully operating Marina and store, so I don't think they would've carried the body by car to the marina and had to transfer her from car to boat.

The drives to all the bridges and other boat ramps would just be too long imo and it would risk exposing them. There is no police activity on the lake short of the DNR on holiday weekends, so if the body never made it to the roadways, it cuts out a lot of unnecessary possible exposure to both law enforcement and passersby.

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