GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[WausauCate]

Maybe, maybe not. My hair is all over my garage floor. I found this out when sweeping it out from winter dirt. ?????????? Just sayn.

Exactly! My first thought upon hearing Mrs. D's hairs were found in Mr. D's blood in the garage was there must have been a struggle and surely the fingernails were tested for DNA. Two weeks was a long time for Mrs. D to be under water, but I also wondered if DNA might have remained under the nails.

 

[kay74]

There was a dna match and it's family but being family they can explain why which makes the case almost impossible to win in court. There's no way the dna SS says he has never got a hit in the system. Sunday SS better have a good update but i'm doubtful since he has lied to us many times over the years. This should have been solved 3 years ago. Nobody kills people almost in their 90's and doesn't rob their home of something. This was rage or revenge and the only people who would have rage against these quiet elderly people must be very close to them. SS has been reading this board and if you read his updates he either answers some of the things we question on here or steers us away from some ideas we have heck he even mentioned this board once by saying some people out there think"

There had to have been DNA under RD's fingers because it looks like he was defending his wife. If that is family DNA, it would explain why SS did not find the DNA in the system I think the nails are the first place I would look for DNA.

 

[Peppery]

There was a dna match and it's family but being family they can explain why which makes the case almost impossible to win in court. There's no way the dna SS says he has never got a hit in the system. Sunday SS better have a good update but i'm doubtful since he has lied to us many times over the years. This should have been solved 3 years ago. Nobody kills people almost in their 90's and doesn't rob their home of something. This was rage or revenge and the only people who would have rage against these quiet elderly people must be very close to them. SS has been reading this board and if you read his updates he either answers some of the things we question on here or steers us away from some ideas we have heck he even mentioned this board once by saying some people out there think"

Do you have links for the dna match or SS reading here? I’m falling down a huge rabbit hole with this...

 

[Deleted member 162919]

No I just meant he has the dna match but since it's probably from someone who has been there many times he can't prove it was from the time of the murder. SS has addressed indirectly the rumors which are the same rumors that have been posted on here. He makes it clear and I believe he once said he reads reddit to gain insight . I don't have the links but listen to his interviews closely.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I never said it was illegal that he doesn't tell the public I don't know where you got that. . It's been 4 years and according to SS he has 0 suspects or persons of interest not sounding like the whiskey cask of a man the news makes him out to be.. The feds played a big part in taking down the cult you make it sound like SS did all the work. Sure sounds like you think SS is doing a great job letting killers get away with this crime for 4 years but it seems like SS doesn't have the experience in investigating murders. or he would at least have a suspect or person of interest . Most of his interviews are about building him up to be a super cop than about the actual crime he can't seem to solve.

Where in the criminal law code does it state that law enforcement has to tell the public anything. I would let people think I was dumb AF if it meant it would help me catch someone. I wouldnt say a damn thing. Ever. Until you were hearing the "clink" of the handcuffs. Also, Anyone who could take down a cult with all of the laws protecting them is brilliant. How do I know? Because I was part of one and I KNOW how slick the leaders are and how they use the law in their favor. They are like mercury to catch. I would not be so quick to think he doesn't know exactly who did this. And yes....VERY hard to prove this case even if you do know who did it. The burden of proof is on the State of GA at this point.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Do you have links for the dna match or SS reading here? I’m falling down a huge rabbit hole with this...

Here's the link about the evidence he has

https://www.ajc.com/news/exclusive-...ith-different-weapons/gkYGqu0gBwGuUAZ0U84VUJ/

 

[arta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...althy-elderly-victims-two-states-related.html

Anyone seen this article before? Thoughts?

 

[watcher9]

There is the Lois Colley case (Westchester NY)

Some similarities:

83 year old wife of millionaire McDonald's franchise owner

Murdered in her home... blunt force trauma

No forced entry.

Nothing taken from the home except for a small fire extinguisher (LE believes was murder weapon)

Still unsolved


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/11/...county-socialite-was-murdered-police-say.html

http://www.my9nj.com/chasing-news/56984171-story

Here is the WS link to this case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ialite-beaten-to-death-North-Salem-9-Nov-2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...althy-elderly-victims-two-states-related.html

Anyone seen this article before? Thoughts?

Probably so back when it first happened.
Here are links to a couple of posts that were in this thread about these two cases for your info.

 

[watcher9]

Found more discussion about the two cases beginning at post #29 on the thread linked below -

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...o-death-North-Salem-9-Nov-2015-*Arrest*/page2

 

[Razz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...althy-elderly-victims-two-states-related.html

Anyone seen this article before? Thoughts?

I don't think they are related but (I'm sure it has been done) I'd like to know the dates their lawn care people usually showed up on (I don't normally see that happening on a Saturdays) and the pool person. They would have known the cameras weren't working and I suspect the guards would have easily let them in through the gate.

The lot has lots of trees on it. Maybe they had trees taken down previous to their murders.

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[Deleted member 162919]

I thought SS was going to give us an update last night at 11. Did this not happen?

 

[WausauCate]

Just saying he is under no obligation to say a thing. And hey....it doesn't matter if he actually does know who did it, he still has to prove it. And you know something else, he can't say I know who did it but can't say. I mean he could but no one would really do that. He also can't openly say who he thinks did it without risking a lawsuit. And especially if the killer knows the law as well or better than local LE. Any killer who has gotten away with it after many years usually does. One of the things that keeps them relatively safe is the fact that it may be a one-hit wonder of a crime. May not be something the person usually does. It is hard to be out here and wonder and have no answers but that is just the way it is until a break happens. It's always a little shocking what goes on inside the circle of trust in a case. There is probably much we do not know.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Well that came off as you thought it said it was legal. It's been 4 years and according to SS he has nobody for suspects so he claims so at this point he might as well lay it out on the line instead of waiting for someone to confess which probably won't happen. He has dna so he might as well bust the killers and let a jury decide. There's no way this was done by someone without a criminal past even the fbi admits that. You make SS sound like a hero when he really isn't he's just an average at best cop way in over his head. Don't believe the articles about him being the last great old time sheriff in the state .

 

[True Crime Lover]

Here is the full episode of 48 Hours regarding the McIver murder referred to earlier in which SS appears.

"The Last Ride Home " (43:50)
"A wealthy labor lawyer shoots his high profile wife from the backseat of a car -- was it an accident or just plain murder? "48 Hours" correspondent Maureen Maher investigates."

https://www.cbs.com/shows/48_hours/video/UDtP7o0g6tvPDZhVdb5tL7GfQSIxaHhS/the-last-ride-home/

 

[dotr]

Inside Edition.
Published on May 9, 2018
Howard Sills has been the sheriff of Putnam County, Ga., for the past 21 years. Before that, he was a detective who solved every murder case that came his way until someone killed Russell Dermond, 88, and his wife, Shirley, 87. The case weighs on him, as he can't explain how they wound up dead. He has no witnesses or suspects. He has no motive, DNA, fingerprints or even a crime scene. But perhaps the most disturbing question he has yet to answer: Where in the world is Russell Dermond's head?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1JFsS01BHk

 

[colette]

The Dermonds could have loaned the killer money no one knew about. He visits home. They are friends and they chat in the garage. He shoots Russell in the head and makes Shirley walk to the boat at gunpoint and gagged. Then he beats her to death and pushes her into the lake, using the concrete he brought with him in the boat. He then boats back to get the head. It gives him time to throw the case off course, people even think Shirley may have killed her husband. He takes the head because that gun can be tied to him. In the Inside Edition clip (above) the Sheriff says he checked family and workers, I didn't hear anything about friends and acquaintances.

A convicted wife murderer ran in the same circles. He needed money, so much that he shot his wife and immediately begins selling her things. He had 35 guns in his home at the time he killed his wife. He knew not to have his finger on the trigger. His friend the Sheriff didn't think it was murder. Where was Tex McIver that day?

 

[Bootsctr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1JFsS01BHk

Thank you! Okay! Finally! SS says at 4:58 they think Mr. D was shot in the head because they did develop some gunshot residue from the shirt.

He says no signs of a struggle which contradicts what BD described. And he is never going to retire.

 

[Bootsctr]

The Dermonds could have loaned the killer money no one knew about. He visits home. They are friends and they chat in the garage. He shoots Russell in the head and makes Shirley walk to the boat at gunpoint and gagged. Then he beats her to death and pushes her into the lake, using the concrete he brought with him in the boat. He then boats back to get the head. It gives him time to throw the case off course, people even think Shirley may have killed her husband. He takes the head because that gun can be tied to him. In the Inside Edition clip (above) the Sheriff says he checked family and workers, I didn't hear anything about friends and acquaintances.

A convicted wife murderer ran in the same circles. He needed money, so much that he shot his wife and immediately begins selling her things. He had 35 guns in his home at the time he killed his wife. He knew not to have his finger on the trigger. His friend the Sheriff didn't think it was murder. Where was Tex McIver that day?

I heard that TM and wife always attended the Kentucky Derby (no link), so he should have been in Kentucky that fateful day. But, I would want to see him on video to believe it.

 

[colette]

I heard that TM and wife always attended the Kentucky Derby (no link), so he should have been in Kentucky that fateful day. But, I would want to see him on video to believe it.

They were killed before the derby, that is what alerted everyone. They never showed. Someone could have killed them and still made the derby IMO.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Now SS says he has no evidence so he was either lying before or he's lying now.
https://www.insideedition.com/murde...-shirley-dermond-beheading-and-no-leads-42984