GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[kay74]

Maybe your neighbors are mentioning it...but it is no where on this forum that I know of. Seems like a random entry. But since you brought it up; what drugs are you referring to?

Where is Tax247's post?? I can't find it. This is interesting. Maybe someone in the neighborhood did this while on drugs! Maybe they got their fingerprints all over Mrs.D's body and that's why she was put in the water. Those cinder blocks might belong to the Dermonds and were in their garage. Someone needs to find out what the neighbors are saying.

 

[Vedder]

Where is Tax247's post?? I can't find it. This is interesting. Maybe someone in the neighborhood did this while on drugs! Maybe they got their fingerprints all over Mrs.D's body and that's why she was put in the water. Those cinder blocks might belong to the Dermonds and were in their garage. Someone needs to find out what the neighbors are saying.

Post #93 on 7/14/2017.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I'm doubting even a drug dealer would kill people in their late 80's to send a message drug dealers usually go after the person doing the drugs not the parents. I think that theory is a bad one. This was about revenge or rage. . I thought the neighbors were saying it was a hit from up north ?

 

[southernmimi]

My adult niece lived a few miles from Lake Oconee when the Dermonds were murdered. She said the locals always believed it was a professional hit, and the killers were long gone. I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Yes Hockeyguy, they were saying that, they were saying that when I lived at Sinclair....I never heard a cop[ or a resident in putnam say it was drugs

I'm doubting even a drug dealer would kill people in their late 80's to send a message drug dealers usually go after the person doing the drugs not the parents. I think that theory is a bad one. This was about revenge or rage. . I thought the neighbors were saying it was a hit from up north ?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

everyone in the area said it was a mob hit in the beginning, i dont know what they are saying these days, Im not in the area any longer but even the cops werent saying drugs, that i talked to anyway

My adult niece lived a few miles from Lake Oconee when the Dermonds were murdered. She said the locals always believed it was a professional hit, and the killers were long gone. I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

 

[wildebeest]

They have grandkids and 2 of them at least are in their late 20's the others are teens. 2 have also lived in Atlanta area and 1 was living there at the time of the murders. I'm not convinced this was over drug money I lean more towards inheritance . I think the elder Dermonds had 2 or 3 million is assets like life insurance, 401k or other investments , savings etc. I also find it odd how little the family has spoken about these murders and also why they didn't put up any reward money. They sold the house way under value and pretty fast that raises a flag too. I also have to wonder why SS had a cold case team in Jacksonville looking into the case before it was cold and even more odd is the location of that cold case team which is the home of one of the dermond kids . I think this was more of a keep an eye on them for us because it's out of our jurisdiction. Here's what I do know. The murderers knew the area well and the Dermonds and their house. I know this wasn't a robbery gone bad and it also wasn't a random killing. Someone liked Mrs Dermond more than Mr. Dermond by the way they were both found. 2 30 pound cinder blocks tells me they might not be amateurs but maybe they wanted the body found after awhile

Someone in the family broke down during questioning and SS said she wasn't being truthful I wonder what she wasn't being truthful about and also why. There were other things I dug up that I found very odd but won't go into those on the thread. I hate to say it but this is all pointing towards family. If this was over drugs the murderers would have stolen something of value but nothing of value was taken according to SS.

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Yes, hockey! My thoughts exactly. I have heard the Dermond children were cleared by polygraphs, but what about the grands? Have always thought inheritance was the motive, and wasn’t one of the grands entitled to it?

IMHO

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I found the link from a few years ago and this article makes me pause on a few points. I found this article SS laid his cards on the table without saying who he thinks did this. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/exclusive-sheriff-has-person-interest-murder-behea/53884408

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Because he can't prove it so he sits back and he waits for that call

 

[southernmimi]

Sounds like SS has definite ideas and will just have to wait until the person does something else or someone talks. A heavy burden for all involved.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Since it's a cold snowy night here I decided to dig up some old interviews. This link proves SS knew from the beginning what weapons were used and who did this. Doubtful this was a 1st timer in murder or even someone who's prints weren't on file. Nobody's 1st crime is a double murder and a beheading. he has all forms of evidence he said so he knows the profile of the killer if not the identity.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/exclusive-sheriff-says-reynolds-plantation-couple-/138256569

 

[kay74]

it still could be a grandchild or relative because nothing was touched or taken. The relative might have friends who are sketchy and did this. It doesn't have to be them.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I agree but they might know, interviews were shady

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I understand things SO Much better, head is clear....yes Hockeyguy, I understand why he has to wait for that phone call.....nothing else to do but one day match up whatever he has ..

 

[WausauCate]

Why....welcome.

 

[WausauCate]

Well, well, well.....hello

 

[WausauCate]

Interesting.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

very interesting and confusing case, PM me I have a question and welcome!

Interesting.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I found the link from a few years ago and this article makes me pause on a few points. I found this article SS laid his cards on the table without saying who he thinks did this. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/exclusive-sheriff-has-person-interest-murder-behea/53884408

Thank you. I had forgotten this part of the case.

He says when they do, they have both physical and forensic evidence to compare to that person.

That can only mean one thing. They have a DNA profile to match to the killer/s.

So they must have DNA evidence/profile left by the killer/s which is fully identifiable so that it can be compared to the suspect's DNA when, and if they are ever found. They also may have identifiable fingerprint evidence ........maybe even found in blood of one or both of the victims.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Sills has taken DNA samples from those who are either kin or known/close to both Dermonds.

Evidently whoever the killer is has never committed a crime before nor is in any DATA bank system.............not even for employment purposes. And it seems Sills hasn't found anyone during the ongoing investigation that matches the forensic evidence they have from the killer/s.

So what he really needs to solve this case is a DNA match or fingerprints to come up in the system somehow that matches the forensic evidence they have of the killer/s. Or get a tip about a particular person/s and if there is enough probable cause he can ask a Judge to give him a search warrant to have their DNA/fingerprints taken for comparison.

So I think the killer/s are mindful their DNA is not in of the systems nor has Sills talk to them asking for a DNA sample or their fingerprints. Anyone he has talked to that is suspicious he would ask them to willingly give a DNA sample. If they refused knowing Sills he would be like a dog on a new bone and gather enough probable cause so the Judge would sign off on a warrant so that DNA or fingerprints could be taken from any POI.

This convinces me that the killer is laying low making sure their DNA is never taken so it can be matched and at this time the killer/s still remains unknown.

I bet Sills checks CODIS on a daily basis or waiting for that one call to tell them they have a match. I have always felt the investigators have much more information about this case they have not released to the public in order to keep the integrity of the investigation solid should there be an arrest.

We have seen other cold case detectives say the same thing. They had the DNA of the suspect from the scene but what they didn't have for many years was a match then all of a sudden a match will come up many years later that solves the cases. Usually when a DNA match or fingerprint match is finally found the suspect/s turned out to be someone they never interviewed and LE had no idea who they were before a match was obtained.

I pray this will happen in the Dermond case as well.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Since it's a cold snowy night here I decided to dig up some old interviews. This link proves SS knew from the beginning what weapons were used and who did this. Doubtful this was a 1st timer in murder or even someone who's prints weren't on file. Nobody's 1st crime is a double murder and a beheading. he has all forms of evidence he said so he knows the profile of the killer if not the identity.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/exclusive-sheriff-says-reynolds-plantation-couple-/138256569

I don't think we can positively say with any certainty that someone has to already commit another murder to do multiple murders including decapitations. I looked up 'decapitation murders' right after this happened and found quite a few of them at the time where the victims were found decapitated and/or dismembered.

People who murdered multiple people during their first acts of homicide also have dismembered them. Unfortunately, there are many suspects who do gruesome over-kills and grossly abuse their bodies afterwards.

Do you remember the man who murdered his victims including their little dog, and he dismembered their bodies, and put their remains 40 foot up in a hollowed out tree? He did not know the victims and it was his first homicides. Sorry, I cant think of his name at the moment. It happened a few years back, and when I have more time I will try to find an old link. So it really is impossible to say what murderers will, and will not do the first time they murder.

We have seen home invasions by strangers who had not murdered before although they did have a criminal background yet they have gone in alone or with help and done some of the most heinous over-kills in recent years even resorting to long torture, repeated rapes including small children, and have even set their victims on fire while they were still alive, and before they murdered them.

It happened in my state to a 83 year old woman. They shattered all the bones her hands, they bludgeoned her until she had multiple skull fractures, and then they threw gasoline on her, and lit it while she was alive. She died from her severe wounds and burns to her head and body.

It seems so many murderers nowadays want to do the most gruesome things they can think of doing as if they want to shock society by the depravity they used against innocent human beings. I remember one serial killer decapitated his victim and put his head right on his window sill so he could relive the crime.

He/they may have killed before, and never caught, but I highly doubt it. Most murderers do have a criminal record of some kind even if its not for murder but for other crimes of violence that elevated over time to murder.

Of course there are also plenty of murderers who have no criminal background history whatsoever, and their ultimate first act of violence are homicides of an individual or multiple victims at the same time. Murderers like all facets of life are as individual as the murders they commit. Why they do the heinous things they do to innocent people is known only to them unless they confess giving details and why they did it the certain way they did. That is the reason a DA is not required by law to prove motive to a jury.

Until Sills is able to match the DNA profile he has he does not know who the murderer of the Dermond couple is. Hopefully, he will get that call one day soon saying they have a match ....although many other cold case detectives have had to wait many years or even decades to get the match they needed from the very beginning.

I hope it doesn't take that long, but the reassuring thing about justice is sometimes it does move slowly, but it can come.... even years later. And with murder there are no statute of limitations that run out. I hope for the sake of the family it comes much sooner than later since they aren't spring chickens themselves. It reminds me of so many shows I have seen on ID where family members waited for years or decades for justice to come for their loved one, but they passed away before they could see it come to pass.

I always believed the murderer/s of the Dermonds left evidence of themselves behind. Rarely are murder scenes pristine with no evidence left behind by the murderer. This one wasn't a perfect crime scene either since Sills says they have both types of evidence needed to compare it to the suspect when, and if they find them.

I have often wondered if they put duct tape on Shirley's mouth and/or wrists, and it was still affixed when they found her. Duct tape has solved cases before because the sticky side holds a wealth of DNA/fingerprint/trace evidence. Dr. Baden solved a case decades ago where a woman's body had been thrown into water and wasn't found until 7 months after being murdered by her husband. He found identifiable prints belonging to her husband on the duct tape he used to bind her. Now they would probably be able to extract skin cells as well of the murderer from the duct tape. They have been able to get DNA profiles from bindings too.

What is tragic is this person/s has never had their DNA profile put into any kind of data bank where a comparison can be matched to it. I have read over the years where detectives have said that in some cases all the luck seems to be on the side of the killer/s. And thousands of cases go unsolved. Even when the law enforcement agencies already have the DNA profile evidence of those who have murdered but have no profile so that it can be matched. That has to be so maddening for LE in these kind of cases. I think that is why they are determined to keep looking for the match they so desperately need to solve the cases.

This may never be solved unless the killer/s somehow makes a mistake and their DNA is taken for some other reason unconnected to the Dermond murders.

Another problem is thousands of DNA profiles haven't even been entered into CODIS yet due to the overwhelming backlog with more and more DNA profile samples being sent in all over the country each and every day to be entered.

JMO