GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[Deleted member 162919]

agree to a degree...…..the upstairs back door on upper deck to kitchen is the door unlocked, you can gain access from the ground level front thru screened porch...….would they go in there?but it was reported there are no landscapers or maids by the family IIRC, the cement guy was never contacted to repair drive

hell maybe that's a coverup too!! WTH knows anymore! crazy

for four years the public was still wondering about this man on the lawn, and now suddenly he's been interviewed (when, no one knows) and is not a suspect but we have no other information on him ..........nor do we know WHEN he was interviewed

Anyone wondering on that lawn and did not come forward willingly is a suspect IMO

but I don't think there was any man on the lawn

So you're telling me an 88 year old man takes care of the landscaping on his acre lot and an 87 year old woman cleans a 3500 square foot house. I'm not saying it's impossible but I highly doubt they don't have help especially with the money they have . SS said in the last interview that they were in the process of throwing things out which tells me they were preparing for assisted living because they couldn't keep up with the upkeep of the house

The man on the lawn if this is true has to be a suspect there's no way he could be on that lawn and not notice anything. Maybe he was a landscaper or a neighbor trying to look in the window , peeping tom, jehovahs witness maybe these are the only people who could be on the lawn and not the killer IMO

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Also there must be fingerprints somewhere or shoe imprints these killers didn't wear rubber boots and they can't clean that well

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Hockey "I'm" not saying they had none, the family did...….but yeah unless they closed off most of the house, they could clean a kitchen and a bathroom and bedroom I suppose, no crafts, toys, junk lying around......IDK apparently minimalists, proabably knew they were getting older and wouldn't be able to stay there forever. IM sure they were thinking we don't need this big ole place, I do that now and im far from 88...…..surely they atleast had a lawn man......haha, no pun intended...…..well apparently no one has come forward we have heard of

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

There was mention of some foot prints in the dirt or something in the very beginning of the investigation...…..I have never heard more

 

[Deleted member 162919]

That could lead to a description

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

There was mention of some foot prints in the dirt or something in the very beginning of the investigation...…..I have never heard more

hocky I have not been able to find info on that but I remember casting discussed, yard prints, whether it was LE or Perp......nothing more was ever said, don't know if it was speculation or fact...investigate this don't take my word

 

[kirkassoc]

I remember hearing in one interview with SS he stated the home looked as if the couple lived only in the kitchen and bedroom of the home. The rest wasn't touched (as if it were staged for viewing). JMO

 

[Aescwynn]

I remember hearing in one interview with SS he stated the home looked as if the couple lived only in the kitchen and bedroom of the home. The rest wasn't touched (as if it were staged for viewing). JMO

Having been in a number of such vacation homes owned by older, wealthy people, I can say that this is not at all uncommon especially if the house is large.
It's very unstressful to put a nice TV and whatever else you need for your leisure time in your bedroom, and basically hang out in there and the kitchen (and wherever you want to sit to take your meals, of course-- usually these houses have an enclosed deck for eating or a similar setup.) That way, you only have to keep a couple of rooms neat and tidy, and if you want to have guests over, the rest of the house-- the "nice" rooms-- are always uncluttered and ready to go.
Plus, living like this saves walking, which can be a big deal for older people who have arthritis or other issues with their hips and/or legs.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I was just listening to an interview or podcast and they said a witness noticed a man feeding a chicken when he walked by the house and an hour later he saw the man take the chicken.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I remember hearing in one interview with SS he stated the home looked as if the couple lived only in the kitchen and bedroom of the home. The rest wasn't touched (as if it were staged for viewing). JMO

OK so THAT might be why folks speculated it was or wondered if it was for sale or had been on themarket, which we never found to be true IIRC but may have definitely been preparing for it....who pays for that and how much is that? hmmm COuld take a chunk of the estate

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Having been in a number of such vacation homes owned by older, wealthy people, I can say that this is not at all uncommon especially if the house is large.
It's very unstressful to put a nice TV and whatever else you need for your leisure time in your bedroom, and basically hang out in there and the kitchen (and wherever you want to sit to take your meals, of course-- usually these houses have an enclosed deck for eating or a similar setup.) That way, you only have to keep a couple of rooms neat and tidy, and if you want to have guests over, the rest of the house-- the "nice" rooms-- are always uncluttered and ready to go.
Plus, living like this saves walking, which can be a big deal for older people who have arthritis or other issues with their hips and/or legs.

YEs they do but this was not a vacation home that I was ever aware of, they lived there full time since selling their home in Sandy Spring and built this one.....but they surely could have had the same setup, they were retired but much younger when they built this. Mark Dermond actualy had an address there at one point.....grandkids visited the lake in the summers

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

YEs they do but this was not a vacation home that I was ever aware of, they lived there full time since selling their home in Sandy Spring and built this one.....but they surely could have had the same setup, they were retired but much younger when they built this. Mark Dermond actualy had an address there at one point.....grandkids visited the lake in the summers

and some vacation homes or condos are filthy

 

[Deleted member 162919]

This whole thing doesn't make sense. SS says at 1st he has all forms of evidence and now he says he has nothing. I feel like we are being fed crap and he has us going in circles, He has stated he reads these sites

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Hockey "I'm" not saying they had none, the family did...….but yeah unless they closed off most of the house, they could clean a kitchen and a bathroom and bedroom I suppose, no crafts, toys, junk lying around......IDK apparently minimalists, proabably knew they were getting older and wouldn't be able to stay there forever. IM sure they were thinking we don't need this big ole place, I do that now and im far from 88...…..surely they atleast had a lawn man......haha, no pun intended...…..well apparently no one has come forward we have heard of

Maybe it was the landscaper that was on the lawn.

 

[kay74]

Do they have a HOA in their community? Then there would have been someone doing their landscaping. They could have gotten a worker mad and he did this. He could have taken money too. How does SS know if money was taken? They could have had a bunch of it in their wallet/purse and the guy took that, got scared and ran. Wonder if anyone with this service company (if they have a HOA)quit after that weekend???

 

[Deleted member 162919]

SS did say he interviewed maintenance workers but I have to wonder if the worker he didn't interview ( know about ) was a former employee. I still believe this all happened in the garage and it happened in the morning or late at night. From the interview I just listened to SS says Mr D was wearing a robe and since there was no sign of a struggle in the house I am thinking Mr D heard a noise in the garage and went to see what it was. I think the noise was Shirley being beaten, he went after one of the attackers, a struggle ensued and they both were killed in the garage explaining how there was no evidence in the house. Maybe Mrs D was getting the mail or the paper when the killers entered the house and this could explain there being no forced entry. I just keep thinking of SS saying the house yielded no evidence of a struggle and nothing out of place except for a lamp shade. To have left no evidence in the house says they weren't in there at all. I'm trying a fresh approach from the very beginning not sure if i'm right but I think it makes some sense. I'd like to hear opinions

 

[Razz]

I was just listening to an interview or podcast and they said a witness noticed a man feeding a chicken when he walked by the house and an hour later he saw the man take the chicken.

For whatever reason, this got my attention.
1). Where did the chicken come from. Do they roam wild and uncaged in the neighborhood? (Turkeys do in ours)
2) what was he feeding the chicken and exactly where? What did this person look like?
3). Why would this person take the chicken? Perhaps home so he could cook it?
4). If I had witnessed this, I would have called security right away. (When homes were being built in my neighborhood, the construction unearthed some box turtles. A few may have disappeared, unknownst to me,
for someone's dinner.)
5). It brings up images of FF's insistence of it being a cult that hurt the Dermonds.)
6). So did this person call security right away? I'd have been right on it had I witnessed that. Taking or harming wildlife or pets is definitely a no no.

 

[kay74]

SS did say he interviewed maintenance workers but I have to wonder if the worker he didn't interview ( know about ) was a former employee. I still believe this all happened in the garage and it happened in the morning or late at night. From the interview I just listened to SS says Mr D was wearing a robe and since there was no sign of a struggle in the house I am thinking Mr D heard a noise in the garage and went to see what it was. I think the noise was Shirley being beaten, he went after one of the attackers, a struggle ensued and they both were killed in the garage explaining how there was no evidence in the house. Maybe Mrs D was getting the mail or the paper when the killers entered the house and this could explain there being no forced entry. I just keep thinking of SS saying the house yielded no evidence of a struggle and nothing out of place except for a lamp shade. To have left no evidence in the house says they weren't in there at all. I'm trying a fresh approach from the very beginning not sure if i'm right but I think it makes some sense. I'd like to hear opinions

Why was there a worker who was not interviewed? Did he quit? Now that is suspicious. It does sound like they were both killed in the garage. Mrs D's hair was in MrD's hand so it sounds like the whole struggle was out there.

 

[kay74]

For whatever reason, this got my attention.
1). Where did the chicken come from. Do they roam wild and uncaged in the neighborhood? (Turkeys do in ours)
2) what was he feeding the chicken and exactly where? What did this person look like?
3). Why would this person take the chicken? Perhaps home so he could cook it?
4). If I had witnessed this, I would have called security right away. (When homes were being built in my neighborhood, the construction unearthed some box turtles. A few may have disappeared, unknownst to me,
for someone's dinner.)
5). It brings up images of FF's insistence of it being a cult that hurt the Dermonds.)
6). So did this person call security right away? I'd have been right on it had I witnessed that. Taking or harming wildlife or pets is definitely a no no.

A chicken wondering around and someone picking it up! That is strange. Sounds like they don't have much security in that neighborhood.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Been saying that for years....we know that he was definitely beheaded in the garage...if you listen to podcast.....since the house was so immaculate, they didn't go inside, it was outside or in the garage, the reason I had asked about guns waaaay back in regards to .22 and .38 etc, as to what kind of splatter up close and at a short distance to compare to what was in the garage, very little splatter if any..IIRC………

Guns at the lake don't draw attention unless of course its middle of the night but there was GSR on his collar, again, VERY LITTLE IIRC according to podcast

Philip Holloway said that does not mean he was shot.....maybe since it was so little GSR on his collar that it could be they shot someone else.....but no evidence of that exists

What does exist is the newest info says that RD had SD hair in his hand, he tried very hard to hold on to her and protect her from someone taking her away it sounds like......for him to still have that in his hands after death, would imply the Gunshot or death occurred immediately after they took SD

IM getting nauseous thinking of it all....so so so horrible and sad

so Ithink it all happened in or outside the garage, finsished in garage, maybe at the garage door

what I cnat figure out and it may be nothing but its bugged me since I heard it

WHY did they drag him thru his own blood? How far? I remember the early articles said he was moved a few feet, aaah, so maybe it was to get him inside the garage because IIRC he was behind and between the cars near garage door and towels all around him....

but it was his feet that were dragged thru blood, there were faint bloody drag marks made by RD feet

SS did say he interviewed maintenance workers but I have to wonder if the worker he didn't interview ( know about ) was a former employee. I still believe this all happened in the garage and it happened in the morning or late at night. From the interview I just listened to SS says Mr D was wearing a robe and since there was no sign of a struggle in the house I am thinking Mr D heard a noise in the garage and went to see what it was. I think the noise was Shirley being beaten, he went after one of the attackers, a struggle ensued and they both were killed in the garage explaining how there was no evidence in the house. Maybe Mrs D was getting the mail or the paper when the killers entered the house and this could explain there being no forced entry. I just keep thinking of SS saying the house yielded no evidence of a struggle and nothing out of place except for a lamp shade. To have left no evidence in the house says they weren't in there at all. I'm trying a fresh approach from the very beginning not sure if i'm right but I think it makes some sense. I'd like to hear opinions