GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

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"I personally believe that it was robbery or some type of extortion. I don't believe it's local." (SS quote)

I've always wondered about the possibility of someone local being involved but it seems it should no longer be considered.
 
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Another thought. Most of us on this site think about this case everyday yet and it bothers us the killers haven't been caught. Think of the family and their silence during all of this and they have no outrage and nothing to say about it publicly . WEIRD
wow excellent point
 
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I thought that initially about the turbines, but turns out she was way up river from that. She was either not meant to be found, entangled in the tree stumps.......or she was intended to be found, who would go to all that trouble and not know about the gases and not use enough weight to keep her under and along the main river basically

But definitley has to do with money and I dont believe it's extortion unless to extort from the family who knows but nothing has slowed them down it seems
Okay my reasoning for SD to be dropped off where she was has now changed. Wallace Dam is used to create electricity. The killers meant for her to get sucked into the turbines at the bottom and come out in 1-3 inch pieces.

That means she would’ve basically vanished like RD’s head. Of course in this scenario the kids would’ve had their inheritance held up forever in probate.

Maybe it wasn’t that the kids after all but someone that wanted the kids to not have the money. Maybe the killers thought they would inherit more than they did. Many on this thread thought the D’s were far wealthier than they were.

Maybe RD was meant for the same fate but was too heavy like some have said.

So who hates the D’s kids should maybe be the question we’re asking. Maybe someone close to the D’s kids that knew the alarm was out and the Derby plans.

MOO
 
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People seem to believe that SD's body was not meant to ever be discovered, but I am of a different thinking on that. If her body didn't move much after being dumped there, then she was put into an area where fishermen were bound to discover her after the expected amount of time and released gases, etc. She didn't have enough weights to keep her down - I can't imagine that being accidental. Surely the killers looked into this stuff before doing that, and would have known it wasn't enough weight? I believe they wanted her discovered after the 2 week period or whatever.
what Hockey and I have been discussing for years and I"ve been posting on here for years, that's not a new theory, gotta have a body to get the inheritence, well to get it quicker
 
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Respectfully disagree. We don’t know where the body was dropped. I know where it was found. Speculation on the lake is directly in front of the damn but there is a line in the water you can’t cross several hundred feet away from the damn.

They in my opinion weighed the body down enough for it to hopefully float through the turbines along the bottom of the lake. If they used too much weight then it’s an anchor to little and it’s floats to the top.

I didn’t realize gasses made a body float to the top so maybe they didn’t either. We don’t know what we don’t know.

Either way she wasn’t dropped in a fishing spot she drifted over that way.

Body was tossed in an area that was 60 feet deep. I remember others speculating much deeper water.
She was at the last bend in the river "DOWN BY THE DAM" a generalization, she was much closer to the dam than her home was the general idea of that statement made by SS...about 5 miles from her home........that cant be reached from land.......look at the map again and see what you find
 
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I found SS investigating board that he shared with the AJC. Notes all over it with markings but I can’t read what it says. Final picture is the rope I was discussing as you near the dam.

I know where the body was found within reason I’m a tennis pro not a topographer and I’ve actually been driving to Athens, GA and wound up in South Carolina.

Point being I suck at maps, directions, et. all. When I go to the lake I can take the jet ski to the spot. I won’t ever forget being told that story summer of 2017 and doing a backflip off the boat as my friend said “ I hope you don’t find a head” I was like what!!!! Then he laid it on us.
 

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Regardless I’m not going down this path again. None of us know with 100% certainty where it wound up. Unless you SS, the killer or the fisherman you just don’t know.

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She was at the last bend in the river "DOWN BY THE DAM" a generalization, she was much closer to the dam than her home was the general idea of that statement made by SS...about 5 miles from her home........that cant be reached from land.......look at the map again and see what you find
 
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Well damn I’ll be. In SS map he shared with the AJC he marked a yellow X in the middle of the water on the far left side.

I see 4 marked locations. Three of them have initials. Red is obvious. Then I see the yellow X.

Hopefully some of y’all see what I’m talking about. I’ll attach the picture again.



I found SS investigating board that he shared with the AJC. Notes all over it with markings but I can’t read what it says. Final picture is the rope I was discussing as you near the dam.

I know where the body was found within reason I’m a tennis pro not a topographer and I’ve actually been driving to Athens, GA and wound up in South Carolina.

Point being I suck at maps, directions, et. all. When I go to the lake I can take the jet ski to the spot. I won’t ever forget being told that story summer of 2017 and doing a backflip off the boat as my friend said “ I hope you don’t find a head” I was like what!!!! Then he laid it on us.
 

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Didn't SS have some experts from the power company and a local university determine SD didn't move more than 30 feet ? I remember reading that somewhere a few years ago.
 
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Good point on the crossword puzzle. my mom almost always finished the crossword puzzle unless someone called or stopped by
 
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I found SS investigating board that he shared with the AJC. Notes all over it with markings but I can’t read what it says. Final picture is the rope I was discussing as you near the dam.

I know where the body was found within reason I’m a tennis pro not a topographer and I’ve actually been driving to Athens, GA and wound up in South Carolina.

Point being I suck at maps, directions, et. all. When I go to the lake I can take the jet ski to the spot. I won’t ever forget being told that story summer of 2017 and doing a backflip off the boat as my friend said “ I hope you don’t find a head” I was like what!!!! Then he laid it on us.


This info is great! Most of us understand you are just like the rest of us here... Non-detectives sharing thoughts, opinions, theories and info. You happen to have some info we haven't seen/heard, and it's valuable.

It seems futile for anyone to argue about someone else's "experience". JMO
 
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I think SS stated in a podcast (not sure which one nor which ep) he traveled to three states looking at possibly-similar cases. Anyone remember which states? I believe Nevada was mentioned but I can't recall the others. I'm curious about those cases, particularly the culprit/s... If they were known to the victims, etc.

I just read an article which stated SS worked with a case in NY where a fast food elderly wealthy woman was killed. No robbery, no motive. Not solved either, I believe.
Detectives probe whether murders in New York and Georgia could be related | Daily Mail Online
 
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Different forensic accountant is currently reviewing the case. He is from Atlanta initials DD.
Glad to hear this. They must think that this is somehow money related. However, it would make me happier if the forensic accountant would also study the finances of those who are connected peripherally to this case.
 
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Glad to hear this. They must think that this is somehow money related. However, it would make me happier if the forensic accountant would also study the finances of those who are connected peripherally to this case.

I'd assume they would check records of all the family (as SS did/had done). But, maybe you are thinking non-family??
 
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Yes, so much silence, not much willingness to speak to media or others regarding the case, very cold and detached obit - even if written by the funeral home, they write them with more feeling than that. So if someone was out to get the kids back for something, doesn't seem like it was a good way. I am wondering if SS ever had a forensic accountant review everything when it first happened, because SS only said that he had every check ever written in the past 8 years, etc.. he didn't say anything ever, to my knowledge, or in any of the videos I've listened to, about a forensic accountant, and that is absolutely what he needed to have done... so if true, I am sure happy to hear that he has one reviewing right now, whether it's the first or second time.

One thing that I just don't understand, and hence the reason why I believe there is something major missing in those accounting records - is why the Ds *didn't* have a LOT more wealth, considering they had had NINETEEN franchises at one time. What happened with all that money? Franchises are pretty expensive propositions, and back then, it was still expensive, but more in line with what the standards of 'expensive' were back then. It wasn't THAT terribly long ago to make a *huge* difference - I mean, not like the 50s or something when bread was 5 cents (or whatever it was). And here they were living frugally, on top, nothing extravagant it seems, for these people. Something has got to be missing there, imho.

I also think they had to go back to that time, not just for 8 years back.. back to that time when he *had* those franchises and how they were disposed of. All I have read is that the sons took them over. Not sure how anyone would even operate NINETEEN of them, so I'm assuming that they sold some, and with those proceeds, paid for their home outright, their vehicles, etc. And the rest, the sons 'took over', but does that not include 'buying' them, in one way or another? And if so, then how did the daughter get her 'share' of her parents' estate, as it was said the estate was divided equally amongst the three, other than a small amount to their deceased son's child.

The thing about that realtor drowning - although it was not on the same lake, it was on the lake on the other side of the dam, IIRC.. but there seem to be connections there. How can that death so easily and quickly be called 'accidental'? That was sure some freak 'accident', if so. And pretty strange for someone who'd been living on the lake for years. I could see it if she'd had a heart attack or stroke or aneurysm or something, which *caused* the drowning, but if it were me, I would've been looking into that for a VERY long time until I had exhausted every possibility that it could have been something different than an accident. jmo.

I had a niece (deceased now) who was married and had two children (girl and boy). When the boy was in his teens, he got into drugs. My niece and her husband owned quite a lot of property and were considered, "well to do." But, in less than 10 years or so, that son had taken his parents for just about everything they ever had (threatened suicide, drug lords were after him...or so he said...and he need XXXX thousands of dollars or they were going to kill him, etc. They paid his rent, provided for support for his one son. It was heartbreaking to look back on. She died at a fairly young age. But, they lost everything to their son's drug habit and even ended up living with their own parents.

Depending on one's ability to administer, "tough love," a grown child can absolutely bankrupt their parents. I watched it happen from a distance.

I don't know how involved they got into their son, MD's personal horrors. But, I do know it can absolutely wipe out an entire family (even generation) unless they use TOUGH LOVE.
 
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Gosh I haven't thought about this case in a while. Its good to see they haven't given up on finding the killer. Kind of a helter skelter type murder.
 
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