GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #12

[dancinunderthemoon]

SS probably has good reason to suspect them especially if they are out of state and beyond his reach. Yea he can't name them there would definitely be a lawsuit.

I agree...something triggered his suspicion if not only just refusal to take polygraph.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Well lets analyze this part a bit. SS says he has 2 people he suspects had something to do with this double murder but they are out of his jurisdiction and possibly out of state. If the person is from out of state I assume he didn't pick them out of the air so either they are related to the Dermonds or had dealings with the Dermonds, possibly lived in the area before maybe. Point being SS has to have a reason to believe they had something to do with this murder he didn't pick these names out of a hat. I'm sure whoever did this keeps up on this case almost as much as we do just to see where the investigation is at. There have been a few members on here in the past who threw out 1 or 2 comments and disappeared which could be normal but I found them sketchy.

Thinking back to some interviews SS has done I remember he dismissed motives and suspects way too quickly even in the beginning of this case almost like he was focused on a certain person. It was almost as if he knew the Who What Where When and Why. Murders are really like puzzles all the pieces are there you just have to put them together . Knowing what we now know I think it would be helpful to start from the beginning and relisten or reread the interviews and pay special attention to SS's words.

Dancin I find it weird he asked someone out of state to take a polygraph and can only think of someone in the family since they are the only people he would know of that would know the Dermonds. He might deny it but I really think he's never really eliminated the family

 

[TJtennispro]

I haven’t posted this before since it seems some of the facts are incorrect such as cars being parked in the driveway instead of the garage.

Then they mention blood spatter and no gunshot.

For 20 years the police told the public that jb Beasley wasn’t sexually assaulted when she actually apparently was sexually assaulted.

I wonder if what SS means is something to do with either being overly careful or overly negligent with SD body?

That’s how I interpreted SS statements. I imagine the killers do follow the case. My wife worries about that especially when I have her on the back of the jet ski snooping around.

 

[watcher9]

It's hard to believe it's been five years since this happened.

Back at the beginning, SS began traveling to different parts of the US to check out other similar crimes for any connection. Remember the home invasion south of Atlanta and the beheading of the young man in Texas. Also one up north and another in California. I feel sure he is continuing to check out newer cases when they occur hoping to find an answer.

Over the years, he keeps throwing things out like statements or ideas whether they are true or not just to stir things up with the hopes of someone getting complacent and/or tripping up. Maybe he does it just to boost up his ego that he is still in charge.

I think he didn't have a clue who did it back then and I still don't think he has a clue who did it today.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Yeah how do you just pick up on someone out of state..........gotta be a connection to family or close friend but I think he's not saying he suspects family........how do you say that without any obvious evidence

Yeah that ONE in particular that dropped in and says he's from Reynolds area that reads WS often and following this case all along but just stumbled upon the WS page of the Ds seemed a little suspicious

I dont know what it will take to move this forward! WIsh it would happen soon!

Well lets analyze this part a bit. SS says he has 2 people he suspects had something to do with this double murder but they are out of his jurisdiction and possibly out of state. If the person is from out of state I assume he didn't pick them out of the air so either they are related to the Dermonds or had dealings with the Dermonds, possibly lived in the area before maybe. Point being SS has to have a reason to believe they had something to do with this murder he didn't pick these names out of a hat. I'm sure whoever did this keeps up on this case almost as much as we do just to see where the investigation is at. There have been a few members on here in the past who threw out 1 or 2 comments and disappeared which could be normal but I found them sketchy.

Thinking back to some interviews SS has done I remember he dismissed motives and suspects way too quickly even in the beginning of this case almost like he was focused on a certain person. It was almost as if he knew the Who What Where When and Why. Murders are really like puzzles all the pieces are there you just have to put them together . Knowing what we now know I think it would be helpful to start from the beginning and relisten or reread the interviews and pay special attention to SS's words.

Dancin I find it weird he asked someone out of state to take a polygraph and can only think of someone in the family since they are the only people he would know of that would know the Dermonds. He might deny it but I really think he's never really eliminated the family

 

[Deleted member 162919]

thinking back on what SS has said in the past about having 2 suspects he believes know something about this murder and what we know " rage or revenge" I believe this is someone the Dermonds knew or possibly family. my gut tells me the murderers knew too much about the Dermonds and the area to not be known by them, the fact that nothing was stolen or damaged also tells me they were there for 1 thing only.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

thinking back on what SS has said in the past about having 2 suspects he believes know something about this murder and what we know " rage or revenge" I believe this is someone the Dermonds knew or possibly family. my gut tells me the murderers knew too much about the Dermonds and the area to not be known by them, the fact that nothing was stolen or damaged also tells me they were there for 1 thing only.

Yes......My sentiments from the conception of this tragedy......though I've gone back and forth trying to keep an open mind........... I always come full circle Hockeyguy in thinking the same thing... all over again.........WIsh something would give!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Omg....out of his jurisdiction would be atlanta area ie: fulton County

 

[kay74]

Somebody's conscience has to be bothering them. I mean just the thought of beheading someone.....

 

[Lawdawg99]

thinking back on what SS has said in the past about having 2 suspects he believes know something about this murder and what we know " rage or revenge" I believe this is someone the Dermonds knew or possibly family. my gut tells me the murderers knew too much about the Dermonds and the area to not be known by them, the fact that nothing was stolen or damaged also tells me they were there for 1 thing only.

I still believe there were 2 or more killers and the purpose was to kill. Why, where and who are the hot questions.

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I know 1 body was dumped by boat or at least I suspect it was. SS has publicly said he doesn't believe either of them were killed at the house but I disagree and here's why. There is too much risk to bring them outside of the house . Lets say the Killers arrived by boat and they took the Dermonds from the house, blindfolded, wrists tied up, gagged so they wouldn't scream etc. Now picture the killers driving a boat on the lake with 2 elderly people onboard tied up, What if a fisherman sees them? It's possible because even if this happened at night ( which fisherman love fishing at night) there's a risk of being seen. Now they obviously brought Mr Dermond back to the house either by boat or by car to behead him in the garage (after he was killed somewhere else) Another risky thing to do. So after the beheading they left the residence yet again by car or by boat that's a lot of activity in less than 24 hours and probably less than a few hours. No matter what time of day or night they came and went they took great risk in leaving and coming back. For a quiet lake things like this make people notice. I'm thinking they were killed in the house or garage. Not sure if there is a curfew or not for having the boat out on the lake maybe there is if so this probably didn't happen at night or they didn't come by boat.

Just typing my scambled thoughts as they come to mind

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Somebody's conscience has to be bothering them. I mean just the thought of beheading someone.....

Only thing bothering them is if theyll get caught

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

No curfew im aware of atleast not on the connecting lake Sinclair

They left him because they couldn't carry him is my latest belief on that so NO.... they didn't kill him elsewhere and bring him back....they hit him in the head like they did her....dna was in his mouth or somewhere on him so they took the head.......this case would be closed if they hadn't tsken the head

jmo

I know 1 body was dumped by boat or at least I suspect it was. SS has publicly said he doesn't believe either of them were killed at the house but I disagree and here's why. There is too much risk to bring them outside of the house . Lets say the Killers arrived by boat and they took the Dermonds from the house, blindfolded, wrists tied up, gagged so they wouldn't scream etc. Now picture the killers driving a boat on the lake with 2 elderly people onboard tied up, What if a fisherman sees them? It's possible because even if this happened at night ( which fisherman love fishing at night) there's a risk of being seen. Now they obviously brought Mr Dermond back to the house either by boat or by car to behead him in the garage (after he was killed somewhere else) Another risky thing to do. So after the beheading they left the residence yet again by car or by boat that's a lot of activity in less than 24 hours and probably less than a few hours. No matter what time of day or night they came and went they took great risk in leaving and coming back. For a quiet lake things like this make people notice. I'm thinking they were killed in the house or garage. Not sure if there is a curfew or not for having the boat out on the lake maybe there is if so this probably didn't happen at night or they didn't come by boat.

Just typing my scambled thoughts as they come to mind

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Point being I don't believe the killers took the Dermonds somewhere to be killed it's just too risky unless they lived very close and even then it's risky

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Point being I don't believe the killers took the Dermonds somewhere to be killed it's just too risky unless they lived very close and even then it's risky

I so agree!

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Thinking a few weeks ago that if even someone out of the area they can just drive a boat down drop it off at the ramp... They know how to get to the dermansds house by water if they know them and have been there many times..so then all theyve got to do is leave by boat again in the middle of the night and I've said it time and again nobody would have seen a thing in the middle of the night

And nobody did just like they planned

 

[DrNomiashi]

This is my very first post. I have always been super interested in cold cases, and this one is really bugging me. I just keep thinking about the grandchildren... They have 4 kids and 9 grandchildren, 3 of their kids were living when the murders occurred and those three all passed polygraphs of various sorts.

But it sounds like this couple was probably worth $2-3 million or maybe a little more... There are 9 grandchildren, each of which would likely be inheriting quite a nice chunk of money of at least $100K or more. How deeply have they been looked into? Have they been polygraphed?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

This is my very first post. I have always been super interested in cold cases, and this one is really bugging me. I just keep thinking about the grandchildren... They have 4 kids and 9 grandchildren, 3 of their kids were living when the murders occurred and those three all passed polygraphs of various sorts.

But it sounds like this couple was probably worth $2-3 million or maybe a little more... There are 9 grandchildren, each of which would likely be inheriting quite a nice chunk of money of at least $100K or more. How deeply have they been looked into? Have they been polygraphed?

We don't in know....i think only Marks daughter inherited

 

[Valiant]

They left him because they couldn't carry him is my latest belief on that so NO.... they didn't kill him elsewhere and bring him back....they hit him in the head like they did her....dna was in his mouth or somewhere on him so they took the head.......this case would be closed if they hadn't tsken the head

jmo

I agree, this is my opinion on the likely the reason for the removal of his head and her body.

 

[TJtennispro]

Everyone’s will is different. The 9 grandchildren weren’t getting 100k each.

This is my very first post. I have always been super interested in cold cases, and this one is really bugging me. I just keep thinking about the grandchildren... They have 4 kids and 9 grandchildren, 3 of their kids were living when the murders occurred and those three all passed polygraphs of various sorts.

But it sounds like this couple was probably worth $2-3 million or maybe a little more... There are 9 grandchildren, each of which would likely be inheriting quite a nice chunk of money of at least $100K or more. How deeply have they been looked into? Have they been polygraphed?