GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 2

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  • #822
JMO

he or family was laundering money for mafia or a Mexican cartel. Lost money. That's why kids left town fast too. And why they are getting weird phone calls.....JMO


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When alligator attacks do occur, the overwhelming majority of injuries involve arms/hands and legs/feet. Just FYI.


news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0912_050912_alligators_2.html

Also someone mentioned they were bothered by the son seemingly being resigned to his mother being deceased before they found her body. I think that the police likely gave the family the hope for the best, prepare for the worst talk which could explain his attitude.

I think the most likely scenario is that the perp accessed the property by water. It could be a rage killing by someone the couple knew very well, with more of the rage directed at the husband or possibly a contract killing where the head was required as proof before payment. So sad for their family!
 
  • #824
And why take his head with them? That's what gets me thinking: not random, not a stranger. Very personal.

to instill fear in the community?

didn't SILLS say people are scared to talk

thus, the trail gets cold or delayed anyway, if no one is reporting anything unusual for fear

or maybe they intended to drop him too but got in a hurry, maybe something spooked them to get out quicker than intended

but then you still have to wonder why the beheading at all

will be interesting to find out eventually, if we ever do !

So is the reporting now, that the security gate cameras that were out right after Easter, on the 28th, was something of a glitch?
 
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I guess there is also the possibility of murder-suicide since at this point to there is no specific evidence indicating the wife was murdered and the proximity of her location to a boat ramp which theoretically she could have accessed on her own. I think that's a long shot given the ages of the deceased.

The location of the body of the wife could also be a red herring by design. Sigh. Who knows... Hope they resolve the case soon.
 
  • #826
Once, and if it is determined that SD's body entered the water at their dock and the COD is determined to be drowning. Imo, this would raise the red flag even higher on VS's swift conclusion of the COD being accidental drowning. What would the statistical probability be of two women drowning in close proximity within days of each other and one known to be an intentional homicide?.. This may be why the GBI's crime lab is being used for SD's autopsy, imo.

If there is a suspicion by investigators that the two incidents may be related. Due to the state of fear already created by the horrific Dermond family crime. Imo, this information would be held close to the vest by investigators to prevent additional panic throughout this once perceived safe community...

Deja vu; I vividly remember the north GA community's state of fear in the aftermath of the Meredith Emerson tragic abduction/murder/decapitation. Although the serial killer responsible; Gary Hilton, was quickly captured, his evil lingered, and the residents fear and suspicion of others continued for years. Seemed that he had destroyed the peace and tranquility once felt in this very spiritual and beautiful majestic mountainous region..

The Mystery on Blood Mountain - Meredith HOPE Emerson 01/01/2008

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/44288468

BBM

Is there a link somewhere about the other drowning? TIA
 
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Sheriff Sills on Shirley Dermond body find: 'The world doesn't need to know'

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At approximately 2:30 p.m. on Friday, two fishermen contacted the Putnam County Sheriff's Office (PCSO) to report that they had spotted what they thought was a body floating in Lake Oconee. PCSO Deputies, along with Sheriff Sills and an FBI agent and Department of Natural Resource (DNR) rangers responded to the scene, which was "a good five or six miles away from" the back entrance of the Dermond home, according to the Sheriff.

Sheriff Sills believes the body was transported from the home to the dump site located near the dam, which he believes the GPS coordinates they took at the body retrieval site will support to be the jurisdiction of Greene County. But although Greene County Sheriff's Office and their county's coroner also responded to the body scene, along with Sheriff Sills and his men, this Georgia "Sheriff of the Year" enjoys such a good working relationship with his fellow sheriff peers, that authority over the body was given to him, aiding his investigation by limiting chain-of-custody issues and more.

In addition, due to Greene County ceding authority over the body find to Putnam County, it served to impede any effort by Shirley Dermond's murderer(s) to benefit from perceived jurisdictional warfare between law enforcement agencies within the state, or to complicate any forensic evidence obtained through chain-of-custody records and processing.

When asked about the possibility that Mrs. Dermond's body was placed in the water at her waterfront home at the time of death, Putnam's leading lawman clearly stated to one reporter that he does not believe the elderly woman's body would have floated that far on its own from the residential location.

That gives this National Criminal Profiles Examiner the impression that due to known water currents and weather conditions ascertained by investigators since her disappearance, that Shirley Wilcox Dermond was transported from her home to the 50-foot water dump site where she came to be found on Friday. And CBS News reported that the sheriff said, "That body was transported there, or at least to that vicinity."

Additionally, the Southern lawman said that "the condition of the body would have been consistent with a body being underwater until the gasses that develop within it bring it up, and consistent with the time period that we, uh, believe, that Mr. Dermond was murdered."

Another reporter wanted to know if there were signs of trauma to the body, which prompted Sills to say, "I'll be honest with you, I couldn't tell," before adding that "I didn't disturb the body, because we want the lab and the pathologist at the state crime lab to 'do their thing'," but all-in-all, "there was no 'glaring' sign of trauma," he said.

The sheriff understood that the reporter wanted to know if Shirley Dermond had been decapitated, like her husband Russell, so he provided a little more information, trying to help the reporters in attendance understand what is involved when finding a corpse in the water after a two-week disappearance.

I stress to you the body is decomposed. The effects of decomposition has some effect in keeping you from telling [if the body has suffered trauma], but, no, her head was not removed or anything glaring like that," Sheriff Howard Sills said.

More of the article at link: http://www.examiner.com/article/she...y-find-the-world-doesn-t-need-to-know?cid=rss
 
  • #828
The timing of the last family visit has my ears perked up.

I have school age children and our spring break occurred the week before Easter, ending on Easter Sunday. I live in a big spring break area popular with college kids so I realize colleges typically stack their spring breaks so they don't all coincide at once, and Northern schools get both winter and spring breaks, that fall before and after the typical southern spring break schedule.

Depending on the ages of the grandchildren, they were visiting sometime in the window of Apr. 15 to Apr. 29.

And then, as previous threads have discussed, the area saw a few days of really severe rain so the expectation would be that no one did much of anything.

And that brings us to the window of time when SD and RD were killed.

Coincidence? I don't know. But I will say this: while there has been lots of chatter about all three brothers in the press and Sills has mentioned them and their jobs, it feels like Leslie is almost never mentioned and really nothing (at least here) is known about her life.

I wonder if she provided information pertinent to the investigation. Wouldn't it make sense for your brother to drop a bomb in the press (maybe a cult did it) and keep the press occupied so they don't look where information might lie?

It could be as simple as some employee fixating on her and The Dermonds complaining to management. Who knows what sets off a psychopath? But that anger, that rage, is usually only surrounding two things: money and lust.

IMO, I actually think they have a pretty good idea who did this, otherwise, they wouldn't have hesitated to put out a larger reward or offer the reward earlier. I think Sills knew early on all his agency needed to do was methodically collect evidence to build their court case so they never called in GBI, not because of his ego, but because he truly didn't need them. I think the cameras not working is a ruse so the killer feels comfortable that no one saw anything. I'm hoping they are watching him noon and night, building their case, and when he least expects it, they're gonna haul him in and never let him go.
 
  • #829
Not to be gruesome, but I have a couple of questions regarding Mr. D's head. If his head is in the lake, wouldn't it pretty much stay where it landed? Would currents move it from the bottom? I realize gases from decomposition will cause a body to come up, but what about a head?

This whole subject is very disturbing.
 
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Not to be gruesome, but I have a couple of questions regarding Mr. D's head. If his head is in the lake, wouldn't it pretty much stay where it landed? Would currents move it from the bottom? I realize gases from decomposition will cause a body to come up, but what about a head?

This whole subject is very disturbing.


I don't believe it would, but I am not certain. This pdf explains some I wish I could find a better link.
http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/Fire and Rescue Personnel/Biology of drowning.pdf

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The Telegraph (@middlegeorgia)
5/17/14, 2:03 PM
Authorities are now searching the lake near where the body was found for Russell Dermond's head. Water there some 50 feet deep.

The Telegraph (@middlegeorgia)
5/17/14, 2:01 PM
Putnam Co. Sheriff Howard Sills tells us the autopsy shows Dermond was dead when her body was put in the water. Dental records confirmed ID.
 
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The timing of the last family visit has my ears perked up.

I have school age children and our spring break occurred the week before Easter, ending on Easter Sunday. I live in a big spring break area popular with college kids so I realize colleges typically stack their spring breaks so they don't all coincide at once, and Northern schools get both winter and spring breaks, that fall before and after the typical southern spring break schedule.

Depending on the ages of the grandchildren, they were visiting sometime in the window of Apr. 15 to Apr. 29.

And then, as previous threads have discussed, the area saw a few days of really severe rain so the expectation would be that no one did much of anything.

And that brings us to the window of time when SD and RD were killed.

Coincidence? I don't know. But I will say this: while there has been lots of chatter about all three brothers in the press and Sills has mentioned them and their jobs, it feels like Leslie is almost never mentioned and really nothing (at least here) is known about her life.

I wonder if she provided information pertinent to the investigation. Wouldn't it make sense for your brother to drop a bomb in the press (maybe a cult did it) and keep the press occupied so they don't look where information might lie?

It could be as simple as some employee fixating on her and The Dermonds complaining to management. Who knows what sets off a psychopath? But that anger, that rage, is usually only surrounding two things: money and lust.

IMO, I actually think they have a pretty good idea who did this, otherwise, they wouldn't have hesitated to put out a larger reward or offer the reward earlier. I think Sills knew early on all his agency needed to do was methodically collect evidence to build their court case so they never called in GBI, not because of his ego, but because he truly didn't need them. I think the cameras not working is a ruse so the killer feels comfortable that no one saw anything. I'm hoping they are watching him noon and night, building their case, and when he least expects it, they're gonna haul him in and never let him go.

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  • #834
Maybe it's just me, but if I made such a horrific discovery AND the sheriff told me to keep quiet about it, I wouldn't be making statements.

From http://www.msgr.com/news/article_2019c256-dd4a-11e3-a5f1-001a4bcf887a.html
Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills "directed me not to give any details," Higgs said. "But I want everyone to know I already called the FBI.
"Those reports that DNR found the body -- that's not true," Higgs said.
"I never want to experience this again, but that's not true."
 
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The timing of the last family visit has my ears perked up.

I have school age children and our spring break occurred the week before Easter, ending on Easter Sunday. I live in a big spring break area popular with college kids so I realize colleges typically stack their spring breaks so they don't all coincide at once, and Northern schools get both winter and spring breaks, that fall before and after the typical southern spring break schedule.

Depending on the ages of the grandchildren, they were visiting sometime in the window of Apr. 15 to Apr. 29.

And then, as previous threads have discussed, the area saw a few days of really severe rain so the expectation would be that no one did much of anything.

And that brings us to the window of time when SD and RD were killed.

Coincidence? I don't know. But I will say this: while there has been lots of chatter about all three brothers in the press and Sills has mentioned them and their jobs, it feels like Leslie is almost never mentioned and really nothing (at least here) is known about her life.

I wonder if she provided information pertinent to the investigation. Wouldn't it make sense for your brother to drop a bomb in the press (maybe a cult did it) and keep the press occupied so they don't look where information might lie?

It could be as simple as some employee fixating on her and The Dermonds complaining to management. Who knows what sets off a psychopath? But that anger, that rage, is usually only surrounding two things: money and lust.

IMO, I actually think they have a pretty good idea who did this, otherwise, they wouldn't have hesitated to put out a larger reward or offer the reward earlier. I think Sills knew early on all his agency needed to do was methodically collect evidence to build their court case so they never called in GBI, not because of his ego, but because he truly didn't need them. I think the cameras not working is a ruse so the killer feels comfortable that no one saw anything. I'm hoping they are watching him noon and night, building their case, and when he least expects it, they're gonna haul him in and never let him go.

another thing occurred to me

didn't SILLS say he called ONE of the children and that SHE was going to pass word along to the others??

I thought why didnt' he get them on conference call or something or atelast out of respect contact each of them

Also, someone up thread mentioned that they hoped people are watching for others REACTIONS to the FINDINGS
 
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  • #839
The killer may be feeling a little uneasy about now. He may have expected Shirley's body and Russell's head never to be found. I hope his world, their world, is starting to unravel. Maybe the plan was to decapitate both of them but something caused them to leave earlier than they had wanted. They need to find the rest of his body so they can find his cause of death. If it wasn't a gunshot, why remove his head, unless it was to further terrorize the neighborhood. Murder was enough.
 
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