GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 2

[tlcya]

COD for Mr. D not known
Decapitation was presumably postmortem based on examination of the body and the lack of blood and spary at the scene (conjecture based on LE statements etc)
COD for Mrs. D blunt force trauma so no stabbing or gunshot
This makes it likely that Mr. D also died of BFT to the head MOO

So WHY the decapitation???

Also if the decapitation was some sort of message or for shock value, and the body purposefully left in garage, why not take the body and leave the head? Would that not be even MORE shocking and horrifying? The idea of murdering someone and leaving only their severed head behind would seem to me to be even MORE shocking.

This case is so bizarre. I just cannot get my mind around a theory that would explain Mr. Ds body sans head being left in that garage with Mrs. D and the head of Mr. D being dumped elsewhere. It just plain does not make sense no matter which way I turn it.

 

[Plumeria5]

The timing of the last family visit has my ears perked up.

I have school age children and our spring break occurred the week before Easter, ending on Easter Sunday. I live in a big spring break area popular with college kids so I realize colleges typically stack their spring breaks so they don't all coincide at once, and Northern schools get both winter and spring breaks, that fall before and after the typical southern spring break schedule.

Depending on the ages of the grandchildren, they were visiting sometime in the window of Apr. 15 to Apr. 29.

And then, as previous threads have discussed, the area saw a few days of really severe rain so the expectation would be that no one did much of anything.

And that brings us to the window of time when SD and RD were killed.

Coincidence? I don't know. But I will say this: while there has been lots of chatter about all three brothers in the press and Sills has mentioned them and their jobs, it feels like Leslie is almost never mentioned and really nothing (at least here) is known about her life.

I wonder if she provided information pertinent to the investigation. Wouldn't it make sense for your brother to drop a bomb in the press (maybe a cult did it) and keep the press occupied so they don't look where information might lie?

It could be as simple as some employee fixating on her and The Dermonds complaining to management. Who knows what sets off a psychopath? But that anger, that rage, is usually only surrounding two things: money and lust.

IMO, I actually think they have a pretty good idea who did this, otherwise, they wouldn't have hesitated to put out a larger reward or offer the reward earlier. I think Sills knew early on all his agency needed to do was methodically collect evidence to build their court case so they never called in GBI, not because of his ego, but because he truly didn't need them. I think the cameras not working is a ruse so the killer feels comfortable that no one saw anything. I'm hoping they are watching him noon and night, building their case, and when he least expects it, they're gonna haul him in and never let him go.

I really think you may be on to something regarding timing. A lot more traffic through the area for the Easter holiday. I don't think this was random. Something happened that made someone so angry at the Dermonds. Money or retaliation. I don't mean money as in robbery but money as in maybe they thought they were entitled to money from the Dermonds but knew they weren't getting any. Retaliation. Probably have watched wayyyy too many crime shows but a young adult wanting to be part of the family but the Dermond's didn't approve. Were there any other visitors for Easter that came with their children and grandchildren?

 

[Plumeria5]

COD for Mr. D not known
Decapitation was presumably postmortem based on examination of the body and the lack of blood and spary at the scene (conjecture based on LE statements etc)
COD for Mrs. D blunt force trauma so no stabbing or gunshot
This makes it likely that Mr. D also died of BFT to the head MOO

So WHY the decapitation???

Also if the decapitation was some sort of message or for shock value, and the body purposefully left in garage, why not take the body and leave the head? Would that not be even MORE shocking and horrifying? The idea of murdering someone and leaving only their severed head behind would seem to me to be even MORE shocking.

This case is so bizarre. I just cannot get my mind around a theory that would explain Mr. Ds body sans head being left in that garage with Mrs. D and the head of Mr. D being dumped elsewhere. It just plain does not make sense no matter which way I turn it.

JMO A head is easier to dispose of than a body?

 

[gngr~snap]

Any thoughts as to why her body was turned over to GBI?
http://m.ajc.com/news/news/authorities-return-to-lake-where-missing-eatonton-/nfydM/
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[tlcya]

JMO A head is easier to dispose of than a body?

true but if you are already disposing of one full body (Mrs. D) why not just leave Mr. Ds head on his body and dispose of the whole darn thing as was done with Mrs D?

The act of severing his head not leaving it and leaving the body in the garage means something. Something specific. I am just darned if I can figure out what it is.

Add to that that LE seems to believe that the garage itself may not be the actual murder scene, what is up with all the moving of bodies and leaving one somewhere and dumping the other elsewhere?

 

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[Foxfire]

So she was beaten? That poor, poor couple.

Don't know about you folks but I have many more questions than answers..

From info known, imo we are sleuthing a very dangerous and sadistic malignant psychopath predator/s. We know that there is more than one crime scene location; D's residence, SD's body disposal location, and a probable safe haven/ritual grounds of the predator/s.

Imo, this a very evil, brazened, escalated and experienced organized/mixed predator likely of higher than average intelligence; not his/their first, last, or only deviant murder. Imo, he/they have have honed their skills for years or decades.. He/they are investigative/forensic aware and will likely have a prior rap sheet of multiple misdemeanors and felonies, and many violent crimes primarily against females, jmo. There will be a direct or indirect drug/meth connection, imo..

Guess, the community has a justification to be in a state of fear. Time to lock and load, imo.. When seconds are critical, LE/Security is only minutes away...

Organized/Mixed Predators..
http://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/types-of-serial-killers

 

[shefner]

Something is amiss. I can't really say much of what I am pondering....but I do find the low amount of a reward to be interesting. No money of the family being put in at this time.
Even Abigail Hernandez's parents put up their own money....$10,000 for mom and $30,000 from dad. And I'm sure that was hard to come up with for them.

And the comment about, "Mom and Dad were comfortable but not wealthy."
No, son, they were wealthy. Now why would you say that they weren't?

Am I getting in trouble here? You bet I am. So I will shut up now.

 

[eddie willers]

Sheriff Sills believes the body was transported from the home to the dump site located near the dam, which he believes the GPS coordinates they took at the body retrieval site will support to be the jurisdiction of Greene County.

Let's remember that the reporting of the Long Shoals boat ramp was that it was the place where the Sheriff entered and exited the water, not that that was were the body was found.

Since it was found in the Greene County jurisdiction, that means it is was found on the far (western) side of the lake and not the side where the Dermond's lived.

As I said in an earlier post, the most likely scenario was that the perps dumped her over the side on the way back to wherever they entered.

Wave action could have caused the (now buoyant) body to float to the side.

Since it went toward the Greene Co. side, that may indicate that the perps entered from the western, and not the eastern shore.

Not that they wouldn't try to investigate all possible entry points (but remember, there could be hundreds), I certainly would comb the western side from the dam up to the latitude of Great Waters first and diligently.

 

[tomkat]

JMO A head is easier to dispose of than a body?

much easier to transport

on the other hand, maybe the intent was just to kill them both with BFT to the head and haul them out to the water, making it look like they just disappeared

I suppose adrenaline gets going and who knows what "excitement" or chaos was ocurring at the scene

maybe even it wasn't intended to behead and the perps had to SUDDENLY get out and freaked out (for lack of a better term one that did it may have been excited and all hyped up the reason the beheading happened at all?) maybe one had SD on his shoulder was ready to get out of there after the beheading and maybe the other grabbed his head


quicker to get out than coming back to retrieve the other body which may have left a trail, IDK

but they sure didnt' leave any signs ( that we KNOW of) if chaos ensued

and also, if not intended to behead, they wouldn't have had the weapons to do so probably

 

[gngr~snap]

"Greene County ceding authority over the body find to Putnam County, it served to impede any effort by Shirley Dermond's murderer(s) to benefit from perceived jurisdictional warfare between law enforcement agencies within the state, or to complicate any forensic evidence obtained"
http://www.examiner.com/article/she...mond-body-find-the-world-doesn-t-need-to-know
Planned, evidence spread out, beheaded body left behind... possible abduction, all meant to point away from perp and confuse LE and scare/ shock neighbors into silence.
Moo
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[Bootsctr]

BBM

Is there a link somewhere about the other drowning? TIA

Autopsy shows woman drowned in Lake Sinclair

EATONTON, Ga. (AP) - Officials in middle Georgia say they believe a 50-year-old woman found dead in Lake Sinclair died from accidental drowning.

The Macon Telegraph reports (http://bit.ly/ST3sxp ) authorities found the body of Vicki L. Stephens at the bottom of the lake near her home. Putnam County Coroner Gary McElhenny says an autopsy last Friday determined she drowned.

The coroner says sheriff’s investigators looked into the case, but found no evidence of foul play.

McElhenny says authorities don’t know how Stephens ended up in the water or why she drowned, but her death appears to be accidental.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...woman-drowned-in-lake-sinclair/#ixzz3202tE9Zc
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[Solitaryone]

true but if you are already disposing of one full body (Mrs. D) why not just leave Mr. Ds head on his body and dispose of the whole darn thing as was done with Mrs D?

The act of severing his head not leaving it and leaving the body in the garage means something. Something specific. I am just darned if I can figure out what it is.

Add to that that LE seems to believe that the garage itself may not be the actual murder scene, what is up with all the moving of bodies and leaving one somewhere and dumping the other elsewhere?

There was a post here a few days ago, sorry, I don't remember who, that said the head being taken could mean the head of the family being cut off and taken away. Maybe whoever posted their thoughts will repost? I'm not putting it as well as I wish I could.

 

[tomkat]

true but if you are already disposing of one full body (Mrs. D) why not just leave Mr. Ds head on his body and dispose of the whole darn thing as was done with Mrs D?

The act of severing his head not leaving it and leaving the body in the garage means something. Something specific. I am just darned if I can figure out what it is.

Add to that that LE seems to believe that the garage itself may not be the actual murder scene, what is up with all the moving of bodies and leaving one somewhere and dumping the other elsewhere?

Right? Well, CONFUSION is of the devil............

 

[Canaille]

true but if you are already disposing of one full body (Mrs. D) why not just leave Mr. Ds head on his body and dispose of the whole darn thing as was done with Mrs D?

The act of severing his head not leaving it and leaving the body in the garage means something. Something specific. I am just darned if I can figure out what it is.

Add to that that LE seems to believe that the garage itself may not be the actual murder scene, what is up with all the moving of bodies and leaving one somewhere and dumping the other elsewhere?

He was the patriarch. The head of the family. I've been wondering about that one.

 

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[Plumeria5]

true but if you are already disposing of one full body (Mrs. D) why not just leave Mr. Ds head on his body and dispose of the whole darn thing as was done with Mrs D?

The act of severing his head not leaving it and leaving the body in the garage means something. Something specific. I am just darned if I can figure out what it is.

Add to that that LE seems to believe that the garage itself may not be the actual murder scene, what is up with all the moving of bodies and leaving one somewhere and dumping the other elsewhere?

That's why I said in an earlier post I wonder if the plan was to decapitate both of them but they didn't have time. They wanted to take both heads to hide COD. And they could dispose of heads easier. Especially if there was only one murderer.

 

[Solitaryone]

Something is amiss. I can't really say much of what I am pondering....but I do find the low amount of a reward to be interesting. No money of the family being put in at this time.
Even Abigail Hernandez's parents put up their own money....$10,000 for mom and $30,000 from dad. And I'm sure that was hard to come up with for them.

And the comment about, "Mom and Dad were comfortable but not wealthy."
No, son, they were wealthy. Now why would you say that they weren't?

Am I getting in trouble here? You bet I am. So I will shut up now.

You're not the only one, I've had the same thoughts! From the beginning I've thought possible family involvement. The comments by the son such as SD never gossiped, the cult comment, and not wealthy comment are very odd. Very odd.

 

[Plumeria5]

Something is amiss. I can't really say much of what I am pondering....but I do find the low amount of a reward to be interesting. No money of the family being put in at this time.
Even Abigail Hernandez's parents put up their own money....$10,000 for mom and $30,000 from dad. And I'm sure that was hard to come up with for them.

And the comment about, "Mom and Dad were comfortable but not wealthy."
No, son, they were wealthy. Now why would you say that they weren't?

Am I getting in trouble here? You bet I am. So I will shut up now.

That statement surprised me too. I guess it depends on perception of what wealthy is. To me, they were wealthy. If the children are very, very well off, much more than their parents, then maybe they perceived Russell and Shirley not to be? Something I won't have to worry about...wealth that is. :facepalm:

 

[ClaireNC]

Careful quoting the examiner.com. I don't think it is considered MSM. The comment about the killers not walking free because the sheriff is not disclosing details is the author's opinion. Not a fact.