GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 4

[Hickory Born]

I'm not trying to sell anything, was making a point about the water flow in 2 directions, when water is emptied and when water enters, from the dam

I have never seen a dam work like you described. Will you please explain how the water flows in BOTH directions?

 

[Carolinapeach]

Anybody here on the Sinclair side of the lake? Wondered if it was my imagination or if the water was extremely high a few days, it usually gets that high after a tremendous rain, wondering if oconee was down through the busy weekend in hopes to help anything surface?

I didn't notice it but someone on the Lake FB page also mentioned the lake being high on Friday. We don't go out in the boat on holiday weekends, if we can avoid it, so I really wasn't paying attention.

 

[Carolinapeach]

I have never seen a dam work like you described.

Georgia Power dam - it generates hydroelectric power.

 

[tomkat]

I have never seen a dam work like you described.

ours does, water regulation

at any rate:

I'll post a better explanation on bodies floating

 

[tomkat]

I’ll try my best to avoid becoming (too) murky…

Regarding the sinking and rising of a body immersed in water, a body will sink almost immediately and continue to sink to the bottom. And when the body is placed in water it will displace a volume of water exactly equal to the volume of the body. For any object to sink when placed in a fluid, it must weigh more than the displaced fluid. For any object to rise in a fluid, it must weigh less than the displaced fluid. A body of constant weight must expand in volume to become buoyant. If the expansion is very slow, the rising will be slow. If the body is attached to a weight of very dense material, the body volume must increase to a volume which will displace a water volume equal to the additional weight. Disregarding the body, if a 50 pound weight is resting on the bottom and it is to be lifted by a “balloon”, the volume of the balloon must displace more than 50 pounds of water. If water weighs 62.3 pounds per cubic foot, the balloon, filled with only air, must displace slightly more .8 cubic feet of water and must be about 13.8” in diameter. So if the body weight is the same density as water causing it to begin to rise as soon as it expanded only slightly, it would have to expand another .8 cubic feet to lift the 50 pound weight. The Archimedes Rule also applies to the weight. How long all this would take would depend on the rate of generation of gasses within the body.

Trying to cut to the chase…

Water flow in a river or lake is highest at the top middle cross sectional area. Flow is almost zero at the bottom or the shore. Flow is not proportional from bottom to top but generally, as a body rises it will start more or less straight up and then the drift rate will increase as the body rises more and more toward the center top of the river or lake.

There are some really disgusting images of dead bodies floating, if anyone wants to look, but it can take a long time before a body with a weight attached rises high enough out of the water to be noticeable.

So, the point:

As someone previously mentioned, it seems reasonable to consider that the Beast, planning to put the bodies in the lake, had a boat, committed the murders, carried/dragged the lighter corpse down the walkway to the boat hidden under the canopy, returned for the other body but decided it was too much work, decided on surgery, began, got nervous, left with the head, got really nervous, knew the main channel was right there just beyond the cove, attached weight(s) quickly, and slipped the evidence off into the deep water. Over a period of many days, the body drifted downstream while rising very slowly.

The questions:

What possible reason could there be for going several miles downstream to place the body and secure it in position at Riley Shoals if the time required for the body to rise were the same regardless of location and the Beast was under the impression that any weight would keep the body at the bottom? What could be so special about Riley Shoals?

If Sheriff Sills would acknowledge that there was a weight attached to the body, would that prove positively that the Beast used a boat? If the public knew the Beast used a boat, might someone remember something?

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[wildebeest]

Ahhhhhh yes... The love of money is the root of all evil, but where's the money. We have yet to see proof any money was taken, albeit someone could think there will be money to be had soon. I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the reading of the will. My bad!

Yes, Bootsctr! So would I!!!!!!! :twocents:

IMHO

 

[jggordo]

In my opinion it will be the D's attorney to file their will with the Court. At that time it will become record. Most wills are constructed in such a fashion as to what happens when one passes before the. This is going to be tricky in that Mr. D was found first. Then Mrs. D all those days later.

IIRC Sills said they were going take the holiday weekend as they were waiting on "filings" to be filed and such.

JMO's

 

[Hickory Born]

ours does, water regulation

at any rate:

I'll post a better explanation on bodies floating

Are you saying the dam at Wallace Dam Rd in Greene County pumps water back into Lake Oconee which would flow upstream? The Oconee River flows downstream from Greensboro to Eatonton.

 

[Nuvolari]

Are you saying the dam at Wallace Dam Rd in Greene County pumps water back into Lake Oconee which would flow upstream? The Oconee River flows downstream from Greensboro to Eatonton.

Reference on water flow Lakes Oconee/Sinclair, fifth paragraph:

http://fishing-about.com/how-to-fish-lake-oconee-and-lake-sinclair/

 

[lakeoconee]

I have never seen a dam work like you described. Will you please explain how the water flows in BOTH directions?

Lake Oconee is a "pump storage" lake. During peak demand times, water is let out of Oconee into Sinclair to generate electricity as any normal dam would work. During non-peak hours, mostly during the night, the turbines re reversed and water is pumped back into Oconee from Sinclair to be released again during peak hours. Rather brilliant. Our water fluctuates maybe three feet a day.

 

[tlcya]

most wills in my experience are written with standard language that the heirs/beneficiaries must outlive the decedent by 30 days. So I do not think there will be an issue as to deciding which spouse inherited from the other. I have never seen a will that did not contain some sort of exception regarding the named beneficiary and their needing to survive the deceased by 30 days in order for that bequest to take effect.

So if Mr. and Mrs. D left everything to one another in their wills it still should not cause a problem about the lapse in time for finding Mrs. D after Mr. D

What I am concerned about is if it will cause any issues in that we do not know exact TODs and therefore whether Mr. or Mrs D. passed first. If their wills differ in their secondary named beneficiaries that could be an issue. That would be a bit more unusual but is possible IMO.

I should say though that IME most married couples who share all their children in common, tend to write joint estate plans.

ie. EXAMPLY ONLY - I know nothing of their actual estate plan

Mr D leaves everything to Mrs. D and if she is deceased it is split evenly among the surviving children, etc. However they elected to set up their will.

Mrs. D mirrors the Misters. She leaves everything to him and if he is deceased distributes among the surviving children.

Each will may also name an executor. With spouses it tends to be the other spouse in most cases. Again, a successor executor is named for the possibility that the first named executor is also deceased or dies while administering the estate.

And if there is a trust involved and "pourover" wills which pour assets into a trust (existing or created by the wills themselves) that could also complicate matters.

 

[Cardinal47]

If there is no serial numbers on something sold to the pawn shop, there is no way to know who it belongs to, timing of the pawn sale might indicate something if pics of items sold were in the family possession, still............

In some states pawn shops have to send a copy of everything received and purchased from their shop.

It's the law!

Reporting. In some states, pawnshops have to give reports of their purchases to local police to help identify stolen goods. In other states, a shop has to honor your request to check their inventory for stolen goods if you give it a police report on your stolen property

http://consumer-law.lawyers.com/rules-of-trade-for-pawn-shops-and-pawnbrokers.html

 

[Foxfire]

I'm not trying to sell anything, was making a point about the water flow in 2 directions, when water is emptied and when water enters, from the dam

LOL, tomkat, I grew up near Pickwick Dam(TVA) on the TN river(Tennessee waterway), and have fished many rivers and lakes across the southeast. Never seen water defy gravity and run uphill, except maybe one time, and I'm sure not gonna bring it up right now..:floorlaugh:

Here ya go tomkat, an MSM link to prove your theory that water can (at least appear) to defy gravity;

http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/lab/experiments/anti-gravity-water

Anti-Gravity water experiment...

 

[tomkat]

LOL, tomkat, I grew up near Pickwick Dam(TVA) on the TN river(Tennessee waterway), and have fished many rivers and lakes across the southeast. Never seen water defy gravity and run uphill, except maybe one time, and I'm sure not gonna bring it up right now..:floorlaugh:

Here ya go tomkat, an MSM link to prove your theory that water can (at least appear) to defy gravity;

http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/lab/experiments/anti-gravity-water

Anti-Gravity water experiment...

its the pull and yes there is a river in florida that runs north, however this lake is no longer a river really

didn't say it ran uphill :floorlaugh:

I watch and float and play in this water for 25 years, I see it flow and carry debris both ways

 

[tomkat]

Lake Oconee is a "pump storage" lake. During peak demand times, water is let out of Oconee into Sinclair to generate electricity as any normal dam would work. During non-peak hours, mostly during the night, the turbines re reversed and water is pumped back into Oconee from Sinclair to be released again during peak hours. Rather brilliant. Our water fluctuates maybe three feet a day.

OH MY GOSSHHHHHHHHHHH< THANK YOU! :floorlaugh:

 

[Bootsctr]

Have any of you that have read the HOA rules read what regular dues were? Now that Mr. D. was not playing golf, it would seem he would not want that exorbitant charge added to his yearly dues. For some reason, I doubt the sons or grandsons visited that often to continue the fee IF it could be dropped. Again, what is expensive in one person's eyes, is not in another's! Just the course fees are outlandish for a member to me - that is why golf has never appealed to me! I can't see paying outlandish fees to chase a little white ball around down here in the south! Southern belles don't sweat. . . Lol!

Absolutely 1&2&3. I played golf once. I'd much rather be found sitting under the veranda sipping a glass of cold sweet tea.

Someone posted the HOA fees and to me they seemed exorbitant, but I'm in a completely different tax bracket than the folks at Great Waters. However, still I don't think the Dermonds had an endless supply of money and surely with the HOA fees for everything going up on a regular basis, I do wonder if the more elderly residents were concerned with the fees rising. We know there are several houses for sale and I wonder if the Dermonds could have been in the process of maybe listing their house or considering it. Maybe they didn't want to publicly list their house, but instead told other residents who were selling their homes if they knew someone who was interested in buying a house at GW to send them on over to have a look at their house too. Maybe the Dermonds did not want the Powers That Be at GW/RP to know they were wanting to leave the community?

 

[Vedder]

It blows my mind.
I have family that lives in the area and I'm always asking them what's going on with the locals. Nobody seems worried, freaked out, or scared at all.

I'm freaked out and I'm far away in New York.

 

[tomkat]

LOL, tomkat, I grew up near Pickwick Dam(TVA) on the TN river(Tennessee waterway), and have fished many rivers and lakes across the southeast. Never seen water defy gravity and run uphill, except maybe one time, and I'm sure not gonna bring it up right now..:floorlaugh:

Here ya go tomkat, an MSM link to prove your theory that water can (at least appear) to defy gravity;

http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/lab/experiments/anti-gravity-water

Anti-Gravity water experiment...

HERE YA go HON!

http://www.withlacoocheeriverflorida.com/

River flows NORTH,

which is BTW< not at all what this was about in regards to SInclair

 

[wildebeest]

BTW shefner---I'm sorry you don't like my avatar :giggle:

 

[Peppery]

Yes, shefner, you would think we would have seen or heard more from their family members. If they had been my parents, I would be very visible, asking the public for help, increasing the reward, etc. etc.

I had similar thoughts earlier in the case, especially before Mrs. D was found. I was surprised there was only her license photo used by much of the main stream media. Does anyone really look like their DL picture? Wouldn't several photos be more helpful? :moo: