GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[Hickory Born]

I agree that the Dermonds might have known a secret of one of their neighbors in the Lake Oconee area (not necessarily GW, they could have lived in neighboring Cuscowilla). But I think the person with the secret could have payed a professional hit man to kill the Dermonds.

IMO the average person would not know how to cover up or eliminate the evidence.

 

[Bootsctr]

No, I agree, it would be random, yet targeted at Sills

IDK, but I keep remembering the surveillance cameras went out on April 28,

weird

LIke yuu said, ONE or TWO, not all of them

:dunno:ullhair:

Did the surveillance cameras go out because of a violent storm that passed through that area? Just wondering because looking at the pictures of the courthouse at the end of April that was a mighty big oak tree that was felled. Oh wait! Maybe a pecan tree. Darn! Gonna have to look at the picture of the courthouse again.

 

[Happyshoes]

Good afternoon, I'm still hanging in here (mostly reading and I love this site, you guys are down to earth thinkers). At this stage, I am agreeing with Ocean Blue Eyes; I think he (or 2 people) were confronted by Mr. D and was killed - and yes, with an object that could identify the killer....still wondering if they can tell if it was a sword or axe, machete?? Then I think Mrs. D came to see what was going on out in the yard or near the dock, and she had to go, too, because she knew these guys. My biggest question is: why leave his body there and take hers? Was she thrown off the dock, or knocked in the head and fell off the dock, or was she taken by boat to be "placed" where she wouldn't be found? If that was the case, why not take Mr. D's body, too? I think the beheading came out of pure anger, and yes, possibly a methhead (is that a word?). I do think they know the lake well and are a part of the community, too - just maybe not a wealthy homeowner. Locals, though. I hope the quiet means they are working something down by science. I'm a little surprised there haven't been more appeals to the public, that's why I think they are onto something. I pray they are.

 

[Bootsctr]

Investigators in Putnam County, Georgia are ... ‘It could have been anything, something to do with a cult .

http://www.cclxhouston.com/national...-husband-russell-dermond-was-decapitated.html

They sure do have some big trees on their property. Looking at the pictures of the house again it looks like they could have been killed almost anywhere on their property without being seen.

Isolated: Keith reckons they may have been targeted not because of their wealth - as they have richer neighbors either side, but because they live at the end of a cul-de-sac with no other houses that close.

 

[OTPTarheel]

1. He knew something and needed to be silenced. The decapitation was a message to others that may know something as well.

2. Was involved in a dispute with someone, the decap was to shock and throw LE off.

3. A secret out-of-wedlock child that was being cut off financially. The decap was part rage and part to torment the real kids that had "everything."

I continue to believe this goes back to the past. Making someone so mad, "doing him wrong, ruining his life" that he waited and waited and in a drug fueled rage killed them. I think back to when Lita Sullivan was killed while getting roses delivered at her Buckhead townhouse. Someone pretended to be a delivery man...
And as far as money laundering ... there was a restaurant we went to near Emory back in the 80s. Italian. Awful. Awful. It was there for many years. It may still be there. Don't go over there any more.The only way it stayed in business, IMO, was channeling cash for some other enterprise.

And the " surprise" child or grandchild theory has rolled around in my head...like my cousin, who conveniently forgot about her first marriage and son!!! Fireworks at the family reunion! Her third husband did not know. The secrets people keep!

 

[Cardinal47]

GOOD POINT

Ok, so the easiest answer as to the "WHY the DERMONDS" is WHAT??

Anyone?

First and highest possible motive
Second possible Motive
Third least motive

I have thought about this quite a bit. I have also thought about the life of folks in their late 80's. Home, church, out to dinner, visiting friends.

Who would their deaths hurt the most?

1. Family
2. Friends
3. Community

Who done it?

1. Random
2. A Sigg or Gardner type
3. Some lowly person they unintentionally offended...a nut case to be exact.

It seems the type of person that would behead somebody in a very well planned out murder like this was would be a person with lots of hate that had been brewing for a long time.

This was planned and executed to a T. That is why I don't think they decapitated Mr. D to hide evidence. They didn't make a mistake there and realize it on the scene and then have all the equiptment to decapitate somebody.

Nobody come to a murder with a gun, makes a mistake and pulls out a machete or knife to decapitate.

MOO

 

[Cardinal47]

And wanted to comment on the SS CHECK, UM, we dont' know what they were living on

Also, there are a lot of those gaming rooms in Georgia since the gambling was passed several years back

People hide it behind a legit SMALL business, and they have those machines peope just sit there and pull the handle all dang day, not paying their rent instead, had to evict some that got into this,

ANyway, there was an owner near my hometown that was robbed at gunpoint one evening and i"m sure others, thies was the most recent, and they stole tons of cash, didn't BEHEAD him tho, NOR kill him

later Patel was shut down, he had about 5 of these in town, they do hide the cash, I'm not sure how all that works, but of course the GUBMENT, wants their fair share, there are new rules, but once gambling starts, it gets out of hand

Maybe they owned one or invested in one?? THings got ugly somehow?

Well I have said since early on....how much money did the Dermonds lose during the two huge stock declines? Enough to try and recoop in some way so they could leave a huge inhieritance to their children by doing something off the wall?

They certainly don't seem like the type to do something like that but he did make lots of money in his hayday so I am sure losing value hit him hard..that is IF he did in deed take huge losses like the rest of us!

Lots of assuming in all of that and you know what they say about U ME!

 

[Bootsctr]

I continue to believe this goes back to the past. Making someone so mad, "doing him wrong, ruining his life" that he waited and waited and in a drug fueled rage killed them. I think back to when Lita Sullivan was killed while getting roses delivered at her Buckhead townhouse. Someone pretended to be a delivery man...
And as far as money laundering ... there was a restaurant we went to near Emory back in the 80s. Italian. Awful. Awful. It was there for many years. It may still be there. Don't go over there any more.The only way it stayed in business, IMO, was channeling cash for some other enterprise.

And the " surprise" child or grandchild theory has rolled around in my head...like my cousin, who conveniently forgot about her first marriage and son!!! Fireworks at the family reunion! Her third husband did not know. The secrets people keep!

Are money laundering and racketeering the same thing? Guess I could google and see if I understand what pops up. I mean money laundering and racketeering both sound mafia-related or related to "the mob".

He was convicted on four counts of racketeering and six child molestation-related charges. The racketeering charges enabled the government to evict the from Tama-Re and confiscate their property.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nuwaubian-nation-of-moors

 

[Bootsctr]

And just look how secluded the pier was. At night, if no flood lights, I doubt anyone could see anything.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/14/article-0-1DAD954300000578-436_634x421.jpg

 

[mck16]

Good afternoon, I'm still hanging in here (mostly reading and I love this site, you guys are down to earth thinkers). At this stage, I am agreeing with Ocean Blue Eyes; I think he (or 2 people) were confronted by Mr. D and was killed - and yes, with an object that could identify the killer....still wondering if they can tell if it was a sword or axe, machete?? Then I think Mrs. D came to see what was going on out in the yard or near the dock, and she had to go, too, because she knew these guys. My biggest question is: why leave his body there and take hers? Was she thrown off the dock, or knocked in the head and fell off the dock, or was she taken by boat to be "placed" where she wouldn't be found? If that was the case, why not take Mr. D's body, too? I think the beheading came out of pure anger, and yes, possibly a methhead (is that a word?). I do think they know the lake well and are a part of the community, too - just maybe not a wealthy homeowner. Locals, though. I hope the quiet means they are working something down by science. I'm a little surprised there haven't been more appeals to the public, that's why I think they are onto something. I pray they are.

I agree with most of this post, but as I posted on the first thread many pages back, I think it was random. We old people are very set in our ways. We have different ideas as to how people should behave and alas it seems no one anymore feels the same. As a matter of fact most young people totally disrespect the elderly and think they really have no purpose even being still alive.

I believe that there was an altercation at the dock. Perhaps someone tied up there and were having a party. Making a loud noise, drinking drugging, etc. Mr. D called them down on it and they went freaking nuts. Told him to shut up and go back to bed. Mr. D. went down and the slaughter began. It may have been someone they knew I don't know, but at that point it didn't matter. Mrs. D. was killed when she came down to check on her husband and they killed her to. What ensued after that I don't know, but I think the decapitation was out of pure rage. I think there could be several witnesses but only one who did the murders. jmo

 

[Happyshoes]

Just my two cents, but I don't think a gun was used at all. No one heard anything and if he (they) were going to shoot one, they would have shot them both. I may be way off base, but I keep going back to someone on their property, possibly trying to steal something (boat, car?). If fishermen and/or hunters carry around big knives for killing say a snake, they could have used anything for blunt trauma, then used their (or possibly Mr. D's own) machete/axe that was in the garage? Wasn't Mr. D's body close to the house when it was found? I can't wrap my mind around someone totally planning this. I can see them not wanting the bodies found right away, though. This is so bizarre and cruel. I have asked my friends in ATL and they seem to think it was just a druggie looking for money. But I say "in a gated community??" Of course, it's possible it could be that simple. Thanks for letting me babble!

 

[al66pine]

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.... most young people totally disrespect the elderly and think they really have no purpose even being still alive.

I believe that there was an altercation at the dock. Perhaps someone tied up there and were having a party. Making a loud noise, drinking drugging, etc. Mr. D called them down on it and they went freaking nuts. Told him to shut up and go back to bed. Mr. D. went down and the slaughter began. ....

mck16
Yes, physical altercation at dock is possible, but how does it start?

If some boating partiers made noise at the dock, what would MrD do?
-walk from house toward the dock? Tell them, we'd appreciate it if you left?
-shout from house, maybe screened in porch, get the hell out of here?
- w gun or sharp weapon in hand, approach them at dock?
- announce from house he has a gun?
- call 911?
- call G/W security?
- flip floodlight switch to throw light on/toward dock & boaters?
- something else?

Just wondering how he would react.:seeya:

 

[Hickory Born]

I am wondering if either Mr or Mrs D used a cane. Could that have been the weapon they were hit in the head with? I am also wondering if they had a pistol which is missing. Could they have heard a noise and Mr. D started investigating while carrying a pistol in his hand?

 

[J Block]

I don't think he is filled with bravado. He is a very down to earth man and a little rough around the edges sometimes. His language is colorful but that is how a lot of southern Sheriffs talk. He is a highly educated man. The man that practically raised him was a DA and everyone that knows him says he knows the law like the back of his hand. He has been doing this for 40 years.

I don't blame him one bit for not calling the GBI in on this high profile case. In one of his most high profile cases ever when he sent the cult leader York to prison he asked for the GBIs assistance and they turned him down.

The FBI is just as good both with profiling and with their labs as the GBI is and they have been on the case since day one.

He is a sheriff that is so well liked by his peers that seven other county sheriff departments have been assisting him on this case from day one. That is sort of unheard of since most LE stays in their own turf and likes it that way.

I am from Georgia myself and while the GBI is ok they do tend to want to takeover a case when they are only asked to assist. The FBI never tries to takeover a state's case and knows and respects that the case always remains in full control of the local jurisdiction law enforcement agency.

I do think he has very good reasons.

He may ask for their assistance later on.

IMO

- This

 

[Foxfire]

Putnam County Sheriff Howard (Trex) Sills, says that the reasoning for not utilizing the vast investigative resources and expertise of the GBI is that he doesn't want GA Sheriffs to become extinct, as did the dinosaurs. So, Sheriff Sills swiftly recruits the resources of the FBI?

Imo, the primary reason that the honorable Sheriff requested the resources of the FBI, while ignoring those of the GBI; because the FBI had assisted in the original Investigation of York and the Nuwaubian Cult.. Sheriff Sills knew there was a NC connection to the Dermond murders/abduction/decapitation from day one..

Sheriff Sills has also utilized the same 7 Sheriffs Departments in the Dermond investigation that were utilized in the York/Nuwaubian Cult. Too many parallels and coincidences to ignore, imo..

http://cartersville.patch.com/group...t-continues-for-suspect-in-husbands-beheading

 

[Hickory Born]

I agree with most of this post, but as I posted on the first thread many pages back, I think it was random. We old people are very set in our ways. We have different ideas as to how people should behave and alas it seems no one anymore feels the same. As a matter of fact most young people totally disrespect the elderly and think they really have no purpose even being still alive.

I believe that there was an altercation at the dock. Perhaps someone tied up there and were having a party. Making a loud noise, drinking drugging, etc. Mr. D called them down on it and they went freaking nuts. Told him to shut up and go back to bed. Mr. D. went down and the slaughter began. It may have been someone they knew I don't know, but at that point it didn't matter. Mrs. D. was killed when she came down to check on her husband and they killed her to. What ensued after that I don't know, but I think the decapitation was out of pure rage. I think there could be several witnesses but only one who did the murders. jmo

BBM. I disagree with this statement. The young people I know respect their elders and learn from their elders.

I feel for sure there are some 'pants on the ground rapping druggies' that don't respect older citizens, but on the whole here are a LOT of nice kids out there.

 

[Litig8ter]

I agree that the Dermonds might have known a secret of one of their neighbors in the Lake Oconee area (not necessarily GW, they could have lived in neighboring Cuscowilla). But I think the person with the secret could have payed a professional hit man to kill the Dermonds.

IMO the average person would not know how to cover up or eliminate the evidence.

What if a professional hit man was hired, but got the wrong house?

 

[Eileen730]

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mck16
Yes, physical altercation at dock is possible, but how does it start?

If some boating partiers made noise at the dock, what would MrD do?
-walk from house toward the dock? Tell them, we'd appreciate it if you left?
-shout from house, maybe screened in porch, get the hell out of here?
- w gun or sharp weapon in hand, approach them at dock?
- announce from house he has a gun?
- call 911?
- call G/W security?
- flip floodlight switch to throw light on/toward dock & boaters?
- something else?

Just wondering how he would react.:seeya:

He would call the cops! jmo

 

[Eileen730]

I think someone saw them as an easy target!

 

[Happyshoes]

Still new here, what does BBM mean? I don't know how to copy and paste on here yet, either, but just wanted to add that I can't get with the hit man theory, either, only because I think it would have been so much more efficiently done, in and out. If it's not done for financial gain, or something sexual, then someone just lost it when they were confronted. I don't think it was someone very young, either. I like the post that said someone was maybe just partying too loud, doing drugs/alcohol. Maybe a neighbor's son had a friend down for the weekend? It was a Friday night and . I kind of think it was just before dark, or soon after, and it was unusually quiet, meaning most local fishermen and/or families had gone home. Also like Hickory Born's note that the average person wouldn't know how to cover up. That's why I think after they were hit in the head, they just drug Mr. D up to the garage to put him out of view, then since she was already in the water (knocked off the dock?), they were just able to leave. So hoping tomorrow brings news.