GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[gngr~snap]

I don't think he has the murder weapons...he may have the tool/instrument that was used in the decapitation IF the decap was not part of the original plan and became necessary, so to speak.

Perhaps, whether planned or not, they left a tiny remnant/piece of whatever material/plastic was placed beneath the body before the heinous act was committed on his body.

GSR. Gun shot residue.
IMO
On Mr D. Collar, shoulder, hands... somewhere.
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[tomkat]

I am fascinated by the fact that Sills thinks there are two weapons.

1) Mr. D is found headless and the head is thought have been severed and wounds thereto are thought to be COD based on lack of trauma to the body which remained.

2) Mrs. D is found and her COD is BFT to the head and LE immediately reportedly begin searching for a crowbar or "whatever" was the weapon per reporters.

3) Now suddenly, all these weeks later we are told LE believes they are looking for two separate weapons. Why is unclear as Mr. D's head remains missing therefore COD is unable to be determined as far as we know.

So why suddenly this belief there were two weapons one used on each victim? Unless Sills is hanging his hat on the theory that the beheading was to coverup evidence such as a bullet/balistics (must have been small caliber IMO if so).

IMO it is a mistake to assume anything about the weapon or number of perps.

I still think one or two (tops) people could have done this. And I am not sold on two different weapons.

I think Sills is doing exactly what we are doing only he is making statements to teh press as he goes through the process so the contradictions we seem to be hearing from him are coming because as he is tracking a theory that is the one he discusses. Tomorrow we could hear a whole nother story from the shriff IMO because he could easily have a new theory he is mulling over by then.

JMO

Did you say "whole nother" hahhaha, never seen that in writing, hear it all the time tho! Love it!

Okay, sorry, but that does make perfect sense BUT he's supposed to be following the evidence, the facts only "ma'am", which I think means he has not much left to go on if he's following theories, they are though waiting for forensics and subpoenas? WHY O WHY do they take so long, seems like an eternity!

 

[tomkat]

Just how many people who donate to rewards take it off their taxes? That is targeted to the mega money people. The average person who give a hundred dollars probably wouldn't list it on their taxes. I know I wouldn't.

I would, just because I can, tho not much help

 

[tomkat]

Maybe it's more about who doesn't donate that would be expected to donate....you know, like when Mrs D was missing and we couldn't figure out why the reward was only $20000...or maybe he's thinking that $20000 isn't enough to turn your meth head boyfriend in but $100,000 is worth it

okay, so still wondering why the $20K disappeared, did it go to the fishermen? I would hope not, they didnt' lead to the perp, or was that only to find SD or did the FBI have to bow out of that offering for some reason due to some other plan in regards to the new reward money?

 

[Cbm]

Am I the only one who believes the reward has very little to do with raising an actual reward and more to do with data collection? Sort of like Sills asking neighbors to fill out a questionnaire about the Dermonds but really collecting finger prints?!

I immediately thought it was very weird that they keep pushing the tax deductible angle. Sills said specifically that his office would provide the tax deduction paperwork and that it was the first time a reward had been set up like this. It got me to thinking, "Could the format allow LE or the IRS to gain more financial info than they are allowed otherwise?" Low and behold, look what I found on the FBI website about money laundering investigative tools:

While investigating money laundering and asset forfeiture cases, investigators have numerous sources of information at their disposal. Nine prove as particularly useful.36

1) Bank Secrecy Act reports: Financial institutions, including some casinos and merchants, must file currency transaction reports, foreign bank account reports, suspicious activity reports (SARs), and similar documents with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). These can help investigators connect laundered or concealed assets. SARs provide a tremendous source of intelligence, often actionable, and can help to proactively launch new investigations. They also assist investigations reactively by identifying accounts, no-show jobs, previously unknown associates, and many other valuable forms of information. SAR review teams exist around the country where multiple agencies examine the reports with prosecutors and choose viable targets. Financial institutions must provide the supporting documentation behind a SAR upon request from law enforcement. No subpoena is required.37

2) EGMONT: This network consists of the financial intelligence units of over 100 countries and permits law enforcement to request data in support of a significant money laundering or terrorist financing investigation. At a minimum, the information will include the requested country’s equivalent of SARs filed on the subjects of the request. No subpoena, prosecutor, or court involvement is needed, and law enforcement can make the request through FinCEN.

3) Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty: A formal request for records or enforcement action by a foreign country is made through DOJ’s Office of International Affairs.38

4) FEDWIRE: The New York Federal Reserve Bank can search names, addresses, and account numbers for any fund transfers done through its system. Often, this will reveal previously unknown beneficiaries and accounts.39

5) Clearing House Interbank Payment Systems (CHIPS): A subpoena can be served
to search the CHIPS network, used by financial institutions to process wire transfers.40

6) Mail covers: A request through the U.S. Postal Inspection Service will provide the information featured on the outside of envelopes. Often, this will identify financial institutions the subjects of the investigation deal with, as well as shell corporations, virtual offices, and phone companies.



Seized Assets from Operation Malicious Mortgage
7) Tax returns: Through a court order obtained by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the investigator can examine relevant tax returns, which often will yield the location of accounts, as well as front companies and shell corporations through which individuals launder money.41 Investigators or prosecutors working with a subject who is cooperating or proffering can request the individual to sign IRS Form 8821, which authorizes the release of the subject’s tax records without the need for a court order.


8) Patriot Act 314(a) search: This likely is the most important money laundering tool available. Investigators can request FinCEN to post on a secure Web site the names of any individuals or entities who are subjects of a significant money laundering or terrorist financing investigation. All U.S. financial institutions then must advise the inquiring investigator of any accounts in the names of the requested subjects along with contact information for service of a subpoena. This method is far superior to serving a subpoena on the credit
bureaus because the investigator will learn of all domestic accounts and not just those linked to some form of credit. No subpoena, prosecutor, or court involvement is needed, and law enforcement can make the request through FinCEN.

9) Correspondent bank accounts: Virtually all foreign banks maintain correspondent accounts, also known as interbank accounts, in the United States to conduct American dollar transactions on behalf of their customers. These simply are accounts opened at U.S. banks in the name of a foreign financial institution. Even without jurisdiction over a foreign bank, investigators can serve a grand jury subpoena and receive records of any checks or wire transfers that cleared through the U.S. correspondent account on behalf of the foreign bank.42 By learning the senders or beneficiaries of these transactions, the investigator can determine the likely beneficial owners of the foreign account, as well as other foreign and domestic accounts involved in the money laundering cycle. And, where forfeitable funds are traced to a financial institution in a country that will not cooperate with the United States, DOJ can authorize the use of Section 981(k), a Patriot Act provision, which permits the seizure from a U.S. correspondent account of a sum equivalent to the amount of criminal proceeds laundered to the foreign bank. The U.S. correspondent bank relinquishes the money and provides the foreign bank with the seizure warrant so that the foreign bank can recoup the amount seized from its correspondent account by taking the same sum from its account holder. The foreign bank usually is not complicit in the money laundering but is subject to the seizure based on its role in holding the money launderer’s funds overseas. The Section 981(k) seizure authority can often be obtained within a few weeks.


Essentially, with American bank account numbers, they can then access foreign records they would otherwise not have permission to, amongst other things.

I think the reward account is just a tool to gain financial information from someone they might suspect, someone they think will donate...

I'm sorry but I find this post irresponsible. This is speculation, not fact and a way to start rumors in a small town, possibly scaring away donations that could help the case.

 

[atthelake]

Maybe the fishermen did collect on the $20K, if not, they may be fighting for it in court.

IIRC....it had an and/or clause...for conviction. That is pretty standard lingo... they would not qualify for it is what I thought when I first heard that the fisherman was outing himself as to the one that found Shirley.

:moo:

 

[atthelake]

I'm sorry but I find this post irresponsible. This is speculation, not fact and a way to start rumors in a small town, possibly scaring away donations that could help the case.

??? HUH???

I found that most of this post was informative. Guess each to his own as they say.

 

[Carolinapeach]

I am so sorry. Yes nightfall would be the worst time from something like this.

Reading your post I am wondering if lots of community members and homeowners are also feeling unsafe and scared and are letting the sheriff know about it.

Especially after he went 8 days with nothing.

Not to mean he is not working his butt off but scared people react differently to crimes in their neighborhoods and I think this community wants the monster that killed the Dermonds exposed and arrested and safely behind bars so they can once again exhale!

MOO

I wonder too how many are really frightened. I don't live there during the week so I am not as tuned in but most in the area do seem to have total confidence in him. I hope they are right. I would love to see him solve this and soon!

 

[tomkat]

I'm sorry but I find this post irresponsible. This is speculation, not fact and a way to start rumors in a small town, possibly scaring away donations that could help the case.

hahhahaha, if we had the facts only, this forum would shut down

 

[Plumeria5]

??? HUH???

I found that most of this post was informative. Guess each to his own as they say.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. If the residents have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[tomkat]

I am fascinated by the fact that Sills thinks there are two weapons.

1) Mr. D is found headless and the head is thought have been severed and wounds thereto are thought to be COD based on lack of trauma to the body which remained.

2) Mrs. D is found and her COD is BFT to the head and LE immediately reportedly begin searching for a crowbar or "whatever" was the weapon per reporters.

3) Now suddenly, all these weeks later we are told LE believes they are looking for two separate weapons. Why is unclear as Mr. D's head remains missing therefore COD is unable to be determined as far as we know.

So why suddenly this belief there were two weapons one used on each victim? Unless Sills is hanging his hat on the theory that the beheading was to coverup evidence such as a bullet/balistics (must have been small caliber IMO if so).

IMO it is a mistake to assume anything about the weapon or number of perps.

I still think one or two (tops) people could have done this. And I am not sold on two different weapons.

I think Sills is doing exactly what we are doing only he is making statements to teh press as he goes through the process so the contradictions we seem to be hearing from him are coming because as he is tracking a theory that is the one he discusses. Tomorrow we could hear a whole nother story from the shriff IMO because he could easily have a new theory he is mulling over by then.

JMO

SILLS didn't do the autopsy

there must've been something on or about RD during the autopsy that proved something other than the same thing as SD

 

[tomkat]

I wonder too how many are really frightened. I don't live there during the week so I am not as tuned in but most in the area do seem to have total confidence in him. I hope they are right. I would love to see him solve this and soon!

RIGHT? The media interviews according to their agenda, might be a frenzy, but Lakeoconee said it wasn't but I'm sure they do like us and watch extra close, I can't imagine if I was up the road a piece, a little closer to RP !

 

[gngr~snap]

My thought process is that Mr D is ex military, A Vietnam Vet, he was not a tiny frail man. The perp/s may have been more afraid of him fighting back - more so than Mrs. D perhaps that could explain different methods of death. The county coroner, said Mr D did not suffer. To say that, He knows something . Sills has also known it since May 8 2014.
Moo
"On Thursday, the County Coroner told 11Alive News that Mr. Dermond's death was sudden and he didn't suffer even though he was decapitated."
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...dy-autopsy-decapitation-missing-head/8879913/
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[Carolinapeach]

RIGHT? The media interviews according to their agenda, might be a frenzy, but Lakeoconee said it wasn't but I'm sure they do like us and watch extra close, I can't imagine if I was up the road a piece, a little closer to RP !

I guess if we were any closer, we'd have already have the for sale signs out.
Honestly, I haven't talked to anyone in the area that is concerned. Well, except you. Lol. Not that I'm out asking everyone I see...
Are you hearing concerns from anyone? It blows my mind.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Here's the video I saw on WSB, Suthrnqt.
Thought I was never going to find it, lol. :banghead:

http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/putnam-sheriff-offers-reward-in-reynolds/vCcwYg/

Cell phone records, bank stmts, credit card stmts, work records can be subpoenaed.

 

[MotherOcean]

How is the word "hoodlum" used in the south?

Is it used more by LE of Sills' generation?

I suppose where I'm from, we would use the term, "" which would refer to a very violent, callous and cold perp.

Are there connotations of youthfulness in using "hoodlum" in the south? I associate "hoodlum" with a violent young perp, but that might be geographical...

A "hoodlum" here (not Georgia but Deep South) is someone who is "good for nothing", someone who has no purposeful employment, no goals in life, lower economic status, someone who is just hanging out doing nothing. A "" would be much like a "hoodlum" but more likely to be involved in criminal activity. A "hoodlum" isn't necessarily a criminal. He's just not doing anything positive with his time.

 

[Backwoods]

“This is a very difficult case, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have forensic evidence. We’re running down leads today,” said Sills. “We’ve got fingerprints, we’ve got hairs, we’ve got fibers, we’ve got all matter of forensic evidence that we’ve collected from the house.”

Sills said they’ve also collected several other items of significance to the case that he can’t talk about."

Boy Howdy if somebody wasn't pooping :bricks: last week. They are sure pooping :bricks: today!

Thanks TK! :loveyou:

We can HOPE, but we gotta remember that all this "forensic evidence" could be just "stuff we have collected", not NECESSARILY stuff that is going to test out to be significant or to link someone to the murders.

 

[Starry Night]

I am glad people are here on this thread 24-7. My prayer is that killer(s) are found.
Love all opinions/conjecture/possible leads etc.

I fully believe that LE will find the one's responsible.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

rsbm

Essentially, with American bank account numbers, they can then access foreign records they would otherwise not have permission to, amongst other things.

I think the reward account is just a tool to gain financial information from someone they might suspect, someone they think will donate...

If this is the case, it says to me that the perp(s) is then not just some random criminal........but instead is likely someone within the community or surrounding area, someone who would give the appearance of wanting to help/donate.........so maybe even someone who knew the D's.....a family member of them........afterall, it's not even realistic to think that a usual perp is going to want to donate to such a fund set up to help catch the very people he/she murdered. I'm having a tough time articulating this properly, I think. What I am trying to say is..........Sills/LE, IMO, obviously doesn't suspect the mafia, a hit man, a cult, a transient, etc......because these types would obviously not be making a donation.....only people in GW would, those in the neighboring areas, family members, etc........people who DO care about justice for the Dermonds, or giving the APPEARANCE of caring about justice.

 

[Backwoods]

Hello folks. I have been super busy and just have had hardly any time to post much in the last week or so. I HAVE been trying to make a point to get here at least once a day and hurriedly "catch up" but oftentimes without even logging in. Whew, you folks are some posting devils, though -- it's hard to catch up with y'all!

One thing I did want to mention that I haven't seen discussed (though I could have just missed it) since the info about the rising reward came out is that it seems to me that the language kind of opens the window back up a bit on the timeline for the murders....

Well, maybe scratch that thought, because maybe not! Ran off to get links and I can't find what I was looking for -- I THOUGHT I'd seen a "May 2 through May 5" window mentioned in recent coverage, but maybe I was mistaken. BUT...

What I DID find, actually, in the quote below, seems to TIGHTEN the timeline, at least on Russell's murder...?

...Deputies say someone killed and beheaded 88-year-old Russell Dermond on May 2 at his home in Great Waters Reynolds Plantation....

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/donations-increase-reward-reynolds-plantation-murd/ngDFK/

How seriously should we take that quote -- what the reporter SAYS "deputies say"?

I can't find anything as definitive for Shirley, but that could have to do with the fact that it took so much longer to find her remains and so autopsy evidence toward the time of her death likely would have been harder to come by.

Then again, I do still wonder sometimes if she MAY have been held for a little while before she was killed. I hope not, but the thought still does crop up now and then.