GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

[Peppery]

Do people sit outside in Georgia? I can see the Dermonds having a glass of wine on their beautiful second floor Sun Room but I just can't see them sitting outside.

My friend lives in Alabama and the bugs are about to drive her crazy. She might be outside working in the yard during the day but come evening she is inside.

So asking the locals do almost 90 folks tend to sit outside or do they prefer the comfort of their own homes with a window view?

:moo: they had a screened in porch, so I'd bet they did sit outside in the evenings, maybe for dinner, cocktails, friends visiting, watching the lake/wildlife. Plus it's likely with their age that they grew up in Jersey without a/c and spent nice spring evenings outside. Old habits die hard. All of my grandparents are of similar age and spend hours sitting on their porch, watching life go by. Plus I believe it rained mid-week, so the pollen would have been low and it wouldn't have been outrageously hot yet. Friday evening probably was a nice time to enjoy their porch. Again, moo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Except they're not true southerners. They lived in jersey for how long? Majority of their lives? I'll have to go back and check. But I grew up not far from there and been in GA more than 12 years myself and I've not adopted the southern way of life at all. It's all still very foreign to me.

Really?

My sister in law lived in downtown Chicago until she was 60 and then she retired and moved to Georgia. She now has all sorts of animals from chickens, dogs, cats, birds to goats and you couldn't pry her away and make her live in Chicago again.

She use to cook northern food but now she cooks nothing but southern food. She bought her a home in the country on 5 acres. She loves it here and acts just like the southerners all around her who love her to death. She has been here for 18 years now and calls this her home and she says she will live here until she dies.

IMO

 

[Peppery]

Really?

My sister in law lived in downtown Chicago until she was 60 and then she retired and moved to Georgia. She now has all sorts of animals from chickens, dogs, cats, birds to goats and you couldn't pry her away and make her live in Chicago again.

She use to cook northern food but now she cooks nothing but southern food. She bought her a home in the country on 5 acres. She loves it here and acts just like the southerners all around her who love her to death. She has been here for 18 years now and calls this her home and she says she will live here until she dies.

IMO

I guess it goes to show people are all different. Georgia feels like home to me, but when I'm around true, born & bred Georgians, I stick out like a sore thumb. When my parents come to visit, I'm constantly translating between them and locals. They are still in awe of the differences in north/south ways of life. And we don't know where the Dermond's were on that spectrum.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess it goes to show people are all different. Georgia feels like home to me, but when I'm around true, born & bred Georgians, I stick out like a sore thumb. When my parents come to visit, I'm constantly translating between them and locals. They are still in awe of the differences in north/south ways of life. And we don't know where the Dermond's were on that spectrum.

LOL I understand. When my sis in law use to visit she would freak if a gnat buzzed around her head and she loved to listen to us talk but wasn't sure what we were meaning when we said something. lol

We do have a different way of talking that is for sure and words have different meanings here. I am not around many anymore that has that deep southern drawl. None of my family and friends have drawls. You do hear that still quite a bit in Alabama and Mississippi though. I love to hear it myself though.

Yeah, I can relate. When I have visited the northern states I felt like a fish out of water, and couldn't understand why everyone seemed to be so uptight. Its more of an easy laid back atmosphere in the south and most everyone is neighborly and friendly to even strangers they meet. I learned quite quickly that is not the way it is in Chicago or NYC though.:floorlaugh:

 

[Foxfire]

I am not up on everything nuwabian but when reading a piece or two mentioned above in another posting I was quite surprised at how much power this York really had.

He even had Jesse Jacksong and Abernathy marching for him and it seems that Sheriff Sills could get no help from Georgia so he had to go to the FBI who cleaned out that den of monsters.

Folks in the articles seem to think things would have gotten really bad had not Sills never let up and got the conviction of their leader.

In my mind hate brews. I just can't see the connection to the Dermonds.

I do find it strange that one of the first things Keith Dermond said was 'maybe a cult did it'. Where did he get that.

If my loved one died that way I would be saying 'what kind of monster did that horrible thing to another human being'.

Cult would be the last thing on my mind...so that's a little smoke and maybe there is fire...somewhere???

Maybe in fact something was between the Dermonds and the nuwabians that Keith would think of them so quickly in mentioning cult!

Fox, do you think they obtained DNA at the home? It seems to me they have not gotten anything yet. What am I missing?

I know full well about the talking heads. LOL I thought the one given his Opinion was retired law. Maybe I just thought that and if so I apologize.

Yep, cog, retired Atlanta PD. Cog, the retired APD investigator wasn't privy to the Newaubian Cult info that we have learned in the past couple of days.

Imo, there was likely touch dna of the perp/s at the Dermond home, provided a competent CSI was conducted, which I believe it was. Problem is whether the perp/s dna is in the database. Even with familial dna, could you imagine the confusion if the perp/s turned out to be an offspring of the Cult leader's?

 

[Bootsctr]

HOLY GRAIL, I aint sure of nothing CP !

That is nearer the 441 where the realtor was found, getting closer to the DAM

I might add that I saw that the realtor's death on one site was still not confirming her death as accidental. It had not been updated since May 9th, I believe. I know someone here said she had an longstanding illness and didn't mean anything. If someone has a link stating that her death was accidental I would appreciate a look-see.

 

[charminglane]

Okay, so what if the D's were lured out of the house onto someone's boat?
Or they were going to go for a ride with someone they knew and no one else knew that?
They may have been murdered on someone's boat for easy clean up with a hose - not at their own house.

 

[Bootsctr]

This, coupled with Sills' odd statement at the beginning that everyone was a suspect except him, gives me the willies.

I thought it was an odd statement to make too. :twocents:

 

[Jabarn]

Hi there Jabam!:seeya:

No matter a person's age they have the same amount of blood as any human.

And older people tend to have high blood pressure so if he was murdered, decapitated in the home there would be a tremendous amount of blood spatter. It would be like severing a hose filled with compressed air and when it is cut the air blows out everywhere in all directions. So I don't agree that there would be less blood spatter. Once the main arteries were severed it would spew out with great force everywhere. And we know that Shirley was also bludgeoned to death. Another thing that causes tremendous blood spatter. And for all we know Russ could have been murdered the same way.............creating even more blood spatter.

I don't think the Dermond home was ever entered by the killer. I don't know of any murderer who would take the time to make everything look immaculate before they left. I think the home was neat because that is the way Shirley always kept it.

IMO

Hey Blue Eyes... I was afraid after I posted than it might be interpreted that I was saying an older person would have less blood splatter when decapitated that a younger person; what I meant was an older *corpse*(meaning there was some time between the actual killing and that the body lay "in state" so to speak, before the head removal). That might explain the lack of blood spatter. In the meantime, I was thinking about what the killer was doing in their lakeside home.

 

[Bootsctr]

Umm, two people drowning in the same lake, in the same month, at the same time two dead bodies found, one in the neighboring lake, one in a lakefront home?!?

Yes, yes, Vicki Stephens was ruled a drowning. BUT. The last published report on a Friday said on Monday, they expected it to be ruled 'accidental'. I cannot locate another reference that verifies if that actually happened the following Monday? Can anyone remember if they saw that published on or after May 14?

Statistically speaking, these drownings are as weird as they sound. 27 people will drown in one year in all of Georgia, in the age range of these two individuals.

It seems even more unlikely that people who purchase waterfront property, with docks and boats, swim so poorly that they might drown right off their own dock in the middle of the day.

https://dph.georgia.gov/sites/dph.georgia.gov/files/InjuryPrevention/Publications/Drowning.pdf

Here's a link to the drowning statistics for Georgia.

It's totally possible this is just a string of terrible coincidences but it sure does make you go "hmmmm"

That's what I'm talking about. . . we're left hanging with what really happened to Vicki Stephens. It mentions that all her personal items were on the boat dock, her keys, purse just like Mrs. D's stuff was left at her house.

 

[Bootsctr]

I agree. The murders happened a few days before Mr D's body was found. Who knows how long the killer was in the house before the beheading. He may have eaten their food, taken a shower, enjoyed a life in a nice lakeside house. There would be less blood splatter with an older corpse...

And I agree with you. The killer stayed until rigor mortis set in and then cut off the head. A shame the person from the Derby Party who tried calling and didn't get an answer go to the house personally. Maybe the perp would have still been hanging around. They were both whacked on the head good and hard and there was some blood. Sills said that, but not a lot of splatter.

 

[Bootsctr]

I've had something similar on my iPhone. All of a sudden, I was taken to the app store for some games. Annoys the snot out of me.

:floorlaugh: Your avatar looks nuwabian.

 

[Bootsctr]

Hey Blue Eyes... I was afraid after I posted than it might be interpreted that I was saying an older person would have less blood splatter when decapitated that a younger person; what I meant was an older *corpse*(meaning there was some time between the actual killing and that the body lay "in state" so to speak, before the head removal). That might explain the lack of blood spatter. In the meantime, I was thinking about what the killer was doing in their lakeside home.

The crossword puzzle ?

 

[Cardinal47]

I thought it was an odd statement to make too. :twocents:

It just sounded kind of 'folksy' to me! Those in the South have a different way of saying things.

 

[Jabarn]

I thought it was an odd statement to make too. :twocents:

That's a lot of bravado, IMO. I think it is very hard for someone in an elected position to not pull that stance. There is no tenure, no job security. I do not wish him any ill wishes at all, and I hope he solves this crime. But if you were in his shoes, would you not take any expert investigative agents to help? Even if they were from the GBI? He didn't. He may have a good reason, but it certainly isn't progressing this case any.

 

[CrystalAnn]

I've been keeping up on this case since the first day, but haven't posted.. I just have to say, if some one beheaded one of my family members the absolute last thing I would think (if I even thought of it all), would be a cult!! No way no how would that be one of my first thoughts.. But it was his sons thought right away, why!!!! And Sills most popular case has to do with a cult not far from the Dermonds? No one here knows who the Dermonds knew or associated with or angered at some point. So I'll be on the team that thinks the cult isn't that crazy of an idea.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hey Blue Eyes... I was afraid after I posted than it might be interpreted that I was saying an older person would have less blood splatter when decapitated that a younger person; what I meant was an older *corpse*(meaning there was some time between the actual killing and that the body lay "in state" so to speak, before the head removal). That might explain the lack of blood spatter. In the meantime, I was thinking about what the killer was doing in their lakeside home.

Thank you for the clarification, Jabam.

I do think that Russ's body laid there (where?) after being decapitated for some time wherever that place was.......and most of the blood had already drained from the decapitation cut before he took the torso to the garage. I think that is why Sills was shocked by the scene. He suspected very quickly that Russ had not been killed in the garage. I think it was the lack of blood in general and no blood spatter that told him that.

I think by then it was dark and he was probably sitting there thinking just how he was going to do all of this before he took Russ' torso to the garage to leave it and then left to take the head and Shirley's remains after then, imo

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've been keeping up on this case since the first day, but haven't posted.. I just have to say, if some one beheaded one of my family members the absolute last thing I would think (if I even thought of it all), would be a cult!! No way no how would that be one of my first thoughts.. But it was his sons thought right away, why!!!! And Sills most popular case has to do with a cult not far from the Dermonds? No one here knows who the Dermonds knew or associated with or angered at some point. So I'll be on the team that thinks the cult isn't that crazy of an idea.

Welcome!

I guess that shows how different people think differently about the same thing. If I knew my father didn't have an enemy in the world and someone had cut his head off, I would first think someone in a cult must have done it since they have been known to behead and cut up people for sacrifices.

Although I don't think Sills thinks a cult is responsible for this. He says it is a personal crime against Shirley and Russ Dermond and he said the Dermonds knew their killer even if casually and he said he had some evidence to back that up iirc.

 

[Jabarn]

I've been keeping up on this case since the first day, but haven't posted.. I just have to say, if some one beheaded one of my family members the absolute last thing I would think (if I even thought of it all), would be a cult!! No way no how would that be one of my first thoughts.. But it was his sons thought right away, why!!!! And Sills most popular case has to do with a cult not far from the Dermonds? No one here knows who the Dermonds knew or associated with or angered at some point. So I'll be on the team that thinks the cult isn't that crazy of an idea.

Hey CrystalAnn- in betwixt reading your post, I get a pop up to play Zynga Poker. Apparently, many of us are getting some weirdness on this board. Anyway, I did want it respond to you.

I thought it was odd the one adult child shared his story with the British tabloid; that was where a cult possibility was first published. I wouldn't want to be judged so try to hold off judgement on others, unless there is no way out.

I do think the cult theory is probably chasing a rabbit, so to speak. I guess I mean by that, I can't capture any evidence of that. What I do see is a sick person, or possibly persons, who have a motive yet understood.

 

[Jabarn]

Thank you for the clarification, Jabam.

I do think that Russ's body laid there (where?) after being decapitated for some time wherever that place was.......and most of the blood had already drained from the decapitation cut before he took the torso to the garage. I think that is why Sills was shocked by the scene. He suspected very quickly that Russ had not been killed in the garage. I think it was the lack of blood in general and no blood spatter that told him that.

I think by then it was dark and he was probably sitting there thinking just how he was going to do all of this before he took Russ' torso to the garage to leave it and then left to take the head and Shirley's remains after then, imo

IMO

I am half way there with you. I am not convinced though the body was ever anywhere far removed from the house. I think the body would be too much to move, too far. I do think he took the head. This is a sick, sick person. I think he took it, I hope I am wrong though, to keep. Yuck.