GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok, I am going to adjust my opinion on the tissue sample of the suspect.

I think Sills already had the tissue sample results. Even if they did not have a match they would already know some things about the killer. Such as......race and blood type.

So Sills has a profile but no one to match it to. The killer isn't in any data bank system for employment or for criminal acts.

But then Sills gets a call today. This person isn't interested in the reward money but they do want Sills to know what they know.

The person tells them certain things that only the killer would know or if he had told someone else or if this person may have found bloody clothing and knew the suspect had scratches at the time the victims were murdered.

If they told Sills they had seen scratches on the suspect..plus bloody clothing then Sills head would explode with anticipation because all along he knows the suspect was scratched by either R or S or both. He would know then the person had to know about what they were telling him was credible.

So he believes them so much that he goes to the Judge to issue him a court order to have a bucal swab done on the person the caller is telling him is involved.

Why I missed this all day long I don't have a clue but when I finally did read it very closely my heart skipped a beat when I saw the words 'tissue samples.':scared:

That is how they cracked one case in NYC wide open when the bartender offered to take a young lady home from the bar but instead he took her to his place ......raped and murdered her, but not before she was able to dig her nails into his flesh. It was his waterloo and got him LWOP.

IMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Their crime lab is in Quantico. I don't know about satellite labs.

GBI main crime lab is in Dekalb County. Not Atlanta, but I thought he was not working with the GBI.

>_<how confusing!

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I didn't make myself clear. I was wondering if the FBI had a satellite crime lab in Atlanta.
I know Dekalb County is commonly referred to as Atlanta, but Atlanta is Fulton County. GBI isn't processing the evidence anyway.
I believe all evidence that the FBI collects follows the proper chain of custody and is sent to Virginia.
They don't say facilities, so IMO there is only one.


"Today, it’s a full-service operation, with some 500 scientific experts and special agents working in a state-of-the-art facility in rural Virginia"

http://m.fbi.gov/#search

They really are working hard. Soon, very soon fingers crossed.


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[LayzeeDayzee]

I think there was gunshot residue found on mr.d.
I believe taking the head was because that bullet is in the head and will lead law enforcement
Right to their door.
All jmo

I don't agree. If a murderer plans to kill someone, and I believe this was all very well planned, it's not hard to get a gun anywhere that won't be linked back to you (the shooter), or the bullets from that gun leading back to shooter. A bullet is a bullet and there's only so much info LE can glean from one unless it's something very unusual. Heck, a killer could steal someone's gun to use in a crime. I'm pretty sure, IMO, the killer(s) her took ever step, if a gun was used to kill MrD, to ensure there was no way that the bullet could be traced back.

The longer this goes unsolved, the more I feel that this was a super calculated, planned, orchestrated tragedy.............and that it was very personal..............and the taking of his head was to elicit shock and horrow and fear at whomever the real target is (I feel revenge, or payback directed at someone in the D family). JMO.

 

[tomkat]

At our lakehouse some of the good old boys would stand on their piers and shoot their guns into the sky after downing a few too many late at night.

There are a few like that on most lakes. With that said perhaps not in this exclusive gated community. I donno!

I do know that a gun fired makes a very loud noise over a lake!

You are right. Lake people seem to have fireworks all year long!

Yeah since they legalized them I hear them more often, like on special ocassions mainly, probably will hear them fathers day, LOL

Gunshots are usually 1 or 2 and stop and more of a pow, not so deep
fireworks you hear more and more sporadic and more of a deep boom
i usually can tell, or think I can, the difference, never had to try and describe it before :floorlaugh:

Im on sinclair, and I'm a pro gunner, but I hope to God they dont' stand near my place playing and shooting guns in the air, they might decide to shoot a tree near a house or something stupid and kill someone

 

[tomkat]

There isn't any bones in a neck, other than the small vertebrae at the top of the spine that connects base of skull. I can't see that it would take much force to put someone's neck onto a block, give it a good swing and remove the head at the neck in one swing. The neck is just muscle and soft tissue.

spine, sorry, yeah not much but thats what the original article said

clearly I'm not a beheader but it did say clean cut and maybe a second to the bone

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't agree. If a murderer plans to kill someone, and I believe this was all very well planned, it's not hard to get a gun anywhere that won't be linked back to you (the shooter), or the bullets from that gun leading back to shooter. A bullet is a bullet and there's only so much info LE can glean from one unless it's something very unusual. Heck, a killer could steal someone's gun to use in a crime. I'm pretty sure, IMO, the killer(s) her took ever step, if a gun was used to kill MrD, to ensure there was no way that the bullet could be traced back.

The longer this goes unsolved, the more I feel that this was a super calculated, planned, orchestrated tragedy.............and that it was very personal..............and the taking of his head was to elicit shock and horrow and fear at whomever the real target is (I feel revenge, or payback directed at someone in the D family). JMO.

While I have never believed this is a crime about revenge or paypack against another person in the Dermond family, I do agree a bullet is just a bullet and doesn't ID a killer. Imo, Shirley and Russ were his targets period.

Because a bullet identifies no one that is why I don't think the weapon used on Russ was a gun but was something much more unique that very few people have.

I don't think the head being taken was done for shock value either. I think it was done out of necessity. The killer is very cold, calculating, unemotional, and methodical imo.

I think he knew before he even decapitated Russ how everyone would go into a tailspin trying to second guess why he took the head. I see him as someone that loves to play head (no pun intended) games with not only LE but everyone that he knew would know about this. I am sure he sits back and laughs how people are trying to figure him out and why he did things the way he did. I think it gives him great satisfaction like a 'catch me if you can' or 'nannie nannie boo boo' type of game he loves to play.

IMO

 

[Carolinapeach]

So the big companies don't come in and pick up trash? You have to go to the landfill?

Found this, OTPTarheel. I don't have a clue where this small dump site is. I didn't see it and of course don't know how long ago they did this.

Participated in a campaign to prevent a huge construction landfill in the county and negotiated a small dump site just outside the GW gates.

http://ccgw.reynoldsplantation.net/ccgw-history-0

 

[gngr~snap]

Sills has always said Mr D was killed somewhere else and that he was not beheaded on the property.
Ok lack of blood is a clue, but if he was dead then his heart wasn't beating anyway.
I wonder if gun shot residue on Mr.D's clothing coupled with the fact that none was found at the scene on any surfaces were part of the assertion.

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[Bootsctr]

Maybe they got a tip a few days ago that they remembered that there was a loud noise one night that "they didn't think much about at the time, but just wanted them to know about." Sometimes it's the delayed tips that solve a crime. It's kinda like the old saying "you always find something the last place you look." You always solve the crime from the last tip, and they don't all come in immediately. Just like a jigsaw puzzle.....you know it's the Eiffel Tower, you just got to get all those last pieces to fit.

It is amazing when you do have the ability to think back and remember and think "yeah, you know, I did hear something. That was a gun shot."

Several months ago our neighbor down the road was having some marital problems and I work at home so I take breaks and check on my chickens pretty routinely. Lots of predators in the country love a good fresh chicken. Any way it was middle of the week, actually a Thursday, and it was morning about 10 o'clock and I happened to be outside when I heard a gun shot. Now normally, like you all, guns being fired where I live is not out of the ordinary. But, most likely you hear them on the weekends, later in the evening with people target practicing, when any animal hunting season opens - it's pow! Pow! Pow! But this was during the week early morning and I made note and said that crazy neighbor done shot his dogs because he is notorious for shooting dogs that get on his property (and I could tell by the way the shot sounded it hit a target). Well about a month went by and we hear that a little boy's dog further down the road from "that crazy neighbor" had gone missing and suspicions were that this guy had killed the little boy's dog. The boy's grandparents were asking around to see if anyone had heard anything on that day and it just suddenly clicked "OMG he didn't shoot his dog, he shot the little boy's dog!" I told them I had remembered hearing the neighbor shooting that morning and told them that I thought it was odd because it was a time that I don't normally hear gun fire and it was early morning around 10 during the week. They thanked me and it was confirmed by a couple of other people that they had heard it too. I think all is good now at least according to FB. I think the neighbor learned his lesson, let's just say. I think he felt really bad about shooting the dog after he found out who it belonged too. The little boy was going through cancer treatments at the time he lost his doggy.

 

[Foxfire]

I didn't make myself clear. I was wondering if the FBI had a satellite crime lab in Atlanta.
I know Dekalb County is commonly referred to as Atlanta, but Atlanta is Fulton County. GBI isn't processing the evidence anyway.
I believe all evidence that the FBI collects follows the proper chain of custody and is sent to Virginia.
They don't say facilities, so IMO there is only one.


"Today, it’s a full-service operation, with some 500 scientific experts and special agents working in a state-of-the-art facility in rural Virginia"

http://m.fbi.gov/#search

They really are working hard. Soon, very soon fingers crossed.


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Actually Memorial Drive which also runs through the City of Atlanta is also Dekalb County. Atlanta is not only Fulton County.. The FBI doesn't have a lab in Atlanta, only satelite offices.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sills has always said Mr D was killed somewhere else and that he was not beheaded on the property.
Ok lack of blood is a clue, but if he was dead then his heart wasn't beating anyway.
I wonder if gun shot residue on Mr.D's clothing coupled with the fact that none was found at the scene on any surfaces were part of the assertion.

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But the only question I have about that though gngr if they had found gunshot residue on his clothing then the ME would have known he had been murdered by a firearm and the ME simply said he had suffered from cranial trauma. With the weapon used being unknown.

So I don't think they did find any residue on his clothing and it would have been there in the upper part of his torso closest to the head-neck and shoulder areas.

I think why they knew he had not been murdered in the garage was due to having no blood spatter which would be found even if he was shot in the head or bludgeoned to death by some type of weapon. I think they also know he was not decapitated there either.

IMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Actually Memorial Drive which also runs through the City of Atlanta is also Dekalb County. Atlanta is not only Fulton County.. The FBI doesn't have a lab in Atlanta, only satelite offices.

Yeah, even Cumberland Mall is Atlanta now that I think of it.

I have been doing some research on GSR.
It doesn't wash out of clothes easily.
I wonder if by some slim chance the found any on SD's clothing after drying it out.
I know she was not shot. I do not know if RD was, but if she was close enough to him and he was shot ya never know it could have ended up on her clothes.

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[Foxfire]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245893&page=15&highlight=shirley+dermond

10,150 views in 2 days on the Shirley Dermond WS Thread #6.. Awareness is the Key in Missing/Murdered Investigations, imo..

 

[bessie]

Ok, I am going to adjust my opinion on the tissue sample of the suspect.

I think Sills already had the tissue sample results. Even if they did not have a match they would already know some things about the killer. Such as......race and blood type.

So Sills has a profile but no one to match it to. The killer isn't in any data bank system for employment or for criminal acts.

But then Sills gets a call today. This person isn't interested in the reward money but they do want Sills to know what they know.

The person tells them certain things that only the killer would know or if he had told someone else or if this person may have found bloody clothing and knew the suspect had scratches at the time the victims were murdered.

If they told Sills they had seen scratches on the suspect..plus bloody clothing then Sills head would explode with anticipation because all along he knows the suspect was scratched by either R or S or both. He would know then the person had to know about what they were telling him was credible.

So he believes them so much that he goes to the Judge to issue him a court order to have a bucal swab done on the person the caller is telling him is involved.

Why I missed this all day long I don't have a clue but when I finally did read it very closely my heart skipped a beat when I saw the words 'tissue samples.':scared:

That is how they cracked one case in NYC wide open when the bartender offered to take a young lady home from the bar but instead he took her to his place ......raped and murdered her, but not before she was able to dig her nails into his flesh. It was his waterloo and got him LWOP.

IMO

In that case, did LE serve a search warrant to obtain a buccal swab before he was arrested?

 

[gngr~snap]

But the only question I have about that though gngr if they had found gunshot residue on his clothing then the ME would have known he had been murdered by a firearm and the ME simply said he had suffered from cranial trauma. With the weapon used being unknown.

So I don't think they did find any residue on his clothing and it would have been there in the upper part of his torso closest to the head-neck and shoulder areas.

I think why they knew he had not been murdered in the garage was due to having no blood spatter which would be found even if he was shot in the head or bludgeoned to death by some type of weapon. I think they also know he was not decapitated there either.

IMO

Early on this is what I remember him saying.

“I want the doctor to tell me if even the death occurred there,” Sills said. “There’s no evidence of a bullet hole in the wall or anything.”
http://www.macon.com/2014/05/08/3087453/decapitation-unlikely-cause-of.html

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[tomkat]

Bumping>

RIIIIGHT.............saw family mentioned, JUST WONDERED

 

[Bootsctr]

Early on this is what I remember him saying.

“I want the doctor to tell me if even the death occurred there,” Sills said. “There’s no evidence of a bullet hole in the wall or anything.”
http://www.macon.com/2014/05/08/3087453/decapitation-unlikely-cause-of.html

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That is a very well written article gngr~snap. Thank you. I don't think I had read it before. The timeline is straight and it just brings back to light what a strange case this is for everyone!

 

[gngr~snap]

In that case, did LE serve a search warrant to obtain a buccal swab before he was arrested?

http://mobile.officer.com/article/10232805/lying-for-dna

Surreptitious sampling. Trash on the street is public property. Cigarette butts dropped and spitting on the street too.
Not sure how legal it is but it's done.

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[tomkat]

Honeybun 1807, the honorable Sheriff is dealing with a very calculating, creative, deflective, manipulative, and cagey psychopath, imo...

I just hope Sheriff Howard Sills is as close to solving this heinous crime, and is as clever as everyone is giving him credit for. Although he has been in LE for 4 decades. With the exception of the Newaubian Cult leader's conviction of Dwight York in 2004, where the suspect was obvious. I'm not sure he has been presented with a high profile homicide case with the challenges that are presented in the Dermond murders.

Dwight D. York AKA Malakai Z. York, etc.. appeal PDF
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200412354.pdf

I will give the Honorable Sheriff credit for utilizing many outside investigative resources in the Dermond case. Just hope the refusal to request the resources of the GBI, and holding them at arm's length doesn't come back to haunt him..

My thoughts as well, BBM

also ME and forensics specialist play a really really big roll in this too

 

[Foxfire]

Early on this is what I remember him saying.

&#8220;I want the doctor to tell me if even the death occurred there,&#8221; Sills said. &#8220;There&#8217;s no evidence of a bullet hole in the wall or anything.&#8221;
http://www.macon.com/2014/05/08/3087453/decapitation-unlikely-cause-of.html

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'One thing I think, or at least I hope, we can all agree on is that there is at least one more missing crime scene location'..