GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

[tomkat]

Is the house accessible from the garage? Like a door leading from garage directly into the house?
I ask this because my 75/80 year old parents lock their house like Fort Knox, too. The only way the front door would be left unlocked would be if they were working in the front yard or went out into the garage, which is only accessible from outside the home in a covered area.
The alarm is set at night and whenever they leave for anything.
Why, I don't know. Their hearing is so bad they don't even hear the dang thing!
Actually, maybe the Dermond's hearing wasn't great either and they were sitting ducks.

seems like it was stated, or maybe questioned about a door to the garage from outside

I would GUESS yes, the older homes or smaller ones don't always but they build this one and newer, the reason I presume so, most definitely one from the house to the garage, I know it has been determined the garage was attached to the house

FWIW

 

[Hickory Born]

I've been re-reading a couple of news reports, and in one of them the sheriff has fundamentally ruled out cults, mafia, and drug-crazed individuals. He also tells us that there were likely two perps who were (at least minimally) known to the victims, and they accessed the home by boat.

And, the most puzzling thing (besides the strangeness of the crime itself) is...

""There’s conflicting signs that the killings were the work of professionals. “For everything that looks professional, there’s something that isn’t,” Sills said."

So imo, the BIG question is... What type of killer would try to make a crime "APPEAR" to be the work of professionals??




http://m.ajc.com/news/news/local/murdered-elderly-couple-sheriff-says-victims-likel/nf4Tg/

What would one do to try and make it look professional? I don't get it...do professional kill a certain way?

 

[gngr~snap]

It STOOD OUT AND I SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER :tantrum: (well, this southern belle said *rated R* words for sure until some men killed the thang!!!) :loveyou: southern macho men saving this damsel in distress! I had much more colorful language than Scarlett though...kill the @#%#% snake...

I honestly think the next time I see one I might have a heart attack. My son swears he can smell them when on the trials by the lake. He says they smell like musk cologne? I dunno.

For those of you outdoor nature lovers, my girlfriend has a friend who posted this video of a Doe giving birth to twins in his driveway June 1st. He just started recording.
It is birth so a little icky, but watching her try and figure out to handle 2 babies was fascinating to me.
If nothing else fast forward to 8:50 and watch her when baby B squeals... bout wet my pants laughing.
Nice to see life once in awhile.

White tail Doe giving birth to twin fawns.:
http://youtu.be/Rzd9tR86_Tw

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[atthelake]

That is what I meant when I said "without leaving a bunch of evidence." Also, if one person alone dragged a body wrapped up in a tarp down those steps, wouldn't there be tarp fibers on the steps?

IMHO, if taking on a tarp DOWNHILL... 99.9999999999% they did not take down concrete steps. They would have pulled down on the groundcover in the natural area. MOO

 

[nightwatch]

Yes ..Just this week .... I found this INSIDE my garage right next to the door to my entrance though garage to house .. For those that don't know snakes , that is a %%//# venomous COPPERHEAD SNAKE!!


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Oh h*** naw! I'd be still running. Snakes on the plane was on last night. I could only watch 5min. Lol admire you for standing up the that dangerous snake. jmo

ciao

 

[fred&edna]

What would one do to try and make it look professional? I don't get it...do professional kill a certain way?

I don't really know either, HB 'Just hoping someone might have an idea on this topic.

While we don't have all the facts in this case, we do have some knowledgeable people here.

What info do we have (if any) that suggests "professional"?

And, why would an amateur killer want the crime to look like it was the work of a pro?


**Please no more photos of copperheads... I'm TERRIFIED! :scared:

 

[atthelake]

HMM< yes you would but I didn't do it!!! LOL

We use them to cover firewood and the boat !

SO with that said, maybe the D's did too for some reason!!

Yes, many atthelake have trees that are cut down...and have firewood from those tree in this area during the winter for the back porch entertaining.

And yep....those stacks of wood are cured until needed in winter and covered with a tarp to protect from the rain. $20.00 at your local big box.

Good catch/idea.

 

[tomkat]

I've been re-reading a couple of news reports, and in one of them the sheriff has fundamentally ruled out cults, mafia, and drug-crazed individuals. He also tells us that there were likely two perps who were (at least minimally) known to the victims, and they accessed the home by boat.

And, the most puzzling thing (besides the strangeness of the crime itself) is...

""There’s conflicting signs that the killings were the work of professionals. “For everything that looks professional, there’s something that isn’t,” Sills said."

So imo, the BIG question is... What type of killer would try to make a crime "APPEAR" to be the work of professionals??




http://m.ajc.com/news/news/local/murdered-elderly-couple-sheriff-says-victims-likel/nf4Tg/

OKAY, another thought.........HOW DO YOU RULE out sterotypes in this case?

What would RULE OUT, mafia, cults and drug crazed indiividuals?

NO robbery? NO disturbances in or around the house? Okay so that would rule out drug crazed individuals?

what would rule out mafia or cult??

Can we presume its a

serial killer, thrill killer, Organized in some other fashion? Maybe I should call that "professional" IDK !!

 

[atthelake]

Pine straw looks much different than what we call pine needles in NY.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dang you ARE good! What I want to know is: were you CIA in your other life?

I do believe this is one of the nicest compliments I have ever received on MBs since I have been at this since the early 90s.:blushing: Saying thank you is not enough. I somehow missed this post until now Hickory. I'm sorry, you must think I have such bad manners.

I am just a very proud wife/mom and grandmother. All of my family has said to me many times I missed my calling. My instincts have always been very keen, not just about criminal cases but about life in general. But instead of being a profiler or a criminologist like I would have loved to have done I spent my professional life being an accountant until I went into the real estate business for 16 years and then retired.

But I have always been so fascinated with the human brain and how it works. Why do people do some of the things they do and why they do it a certain way. It has always fascinated me. What were they thinking?

While my heart is with each victim that is lost due to being murdered my fascination deepens about the possible suspects who have done each of these crimes. And since I have been reading and researching true crime cases as a hobby for over 30 years, I feel like I have really delved into the minds of the most evil among us. I think it is the psychology of the killers that has kept me interested for so many years. Also standing up for every innocent victim and their families who have endure so a terrible tragedy.

I am the type of person who has always thirst for knowledge and even though I am elderly myself now my brain never stops thinking. I am a person who pays very close attention to details and I am also very analytical. I don't just think about things off of the top of my head. I think deeply about them, and try to take each part of each case, and put it together like one does a puzzle. Sometimes it is extremely hard to use commonsense while trying to apply it to illogical acts though.

I guess I try to envision in my mind who the most likely suspect would be based on the acts they have done, they way they have done them, and the thought processes they had... that makes their case different from others, even though there always seems to be some similarities even if slight.

That is why I have practically stood alone on so many high profile cases where a child went missing. The majority were so sure immediately a parent(s) was/were involved or some type of family member. Even when the child or children were later found raped and murdered and before an arrest they were more certain than ever it was a parent. But for me as I looked at the full picture by what I knew at the time, and based on the facts surrounding the cases, I just didn't envision the suspect as being connected to the child in any manner. It just didn't add up for me so I hung in there, and have never had to regret doing that even on one case where I took that stand. And believe me it is very hard to stand by an unpopular opinion when the masses are not pleased with your stance.... to say the least. But then I have never been one to run with the pack just for the sake of getting someone else's approval. I always be true to myself and post with honesty and respect toward all others.

My opinions have absolutely no more weight than any other poster here. We are all equal here and so are our opinions and what we individually think about a case, victim, or suspect.

All I do is continue to try my very best to hopefully post my own opinions in a clear, concise and civil manner.

We are all on the same wave length in each and every case and the bottom line is all of us wants justice for all victims who have had their precious lives taken from them by a murderer. On THAT we will always stand together as one and.... that.........in the end..... is all that matters.

Goodnight Everyone! Sleep Well, and keep the faith that justice is just around the corner for Russ and Shirley.

Ocean

 

[tomkat]

It STOOD OUT AND I SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER :tantrum: (well, this southern belle said *rated R* words for sure until some men killed the thang!!!) :loveyou: southern macho men saving this damsel in distress! I had much more colorful language than Scarlett though...kill the @#%#% snake...

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[atthelake]

I am not surprised. I have lived in Texas all my life and I have never heard of or seen pine straw especially bales of it. I am going to look it up. jmo

Jeeeez...so common here! $3.17 a bale! 90% of my hood uses this around their trees and plants for a "dressing". Guess it's a southern thang!

 

[atthelake]

clearly ! AND we have plenty of pine trees in GA ! haha

If they could bale peanut husks they'd do it too in GA :floorlaugh:

however, some people do use peanut husks as a garden mulch here in GA, seen it mostly in the south GA area tho

:snooty: <<--As Steely would say :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[atthelake]

Yep to picture #2. I have ridden the hay baler many times, but we just called it 'hay'. Not alfalfa. Hay bales, hay rides, just hay. :floorlaugh:

:seeya: Hey!!! :giggle:

 

[atthelake]

1. Scorpions love to hide in pine straw in Georgia. That first bite I got 35 years ago after moving to Georgia was quite a shock. They are tiny scorpions.

2. Like I said in a previous thread I moved large pieces- many were 300 lb. +- of slate around my pond by myself( 50+ year old woman) by dragging them on an old pink blanket. It can be done. Grew up in the furniture business- my daddy taught me how to move stuff.

3. I inherited many tarps from my late brother the camper. All very different from different stores. If they have tarp fibers should be identifiable- HD tarps different Lowe's or Walmart or other hardware stores.

4. Where we live in metro Atlanta, landscaping services use tarps to move cut shrubbery,leaves, limbs to their trucks to take to landfill. Not saying landscapers are involved, just that tarps, like machetes, are every where.

Just left the butterfly release at the Chattahoochee Nature Center. It was a beautiful sight after all the murders in our area this week.

OTP"ReptileThatShallGoNameless" here...

I have some yard work and live OTP also... wanna help with yardwork here?

 

[fred&edna]

OKAY, another thought.........HOW DO YOU RULE out sterotypes in this case?

What would RULE OUT, mafia, cults and drug crazed indiividuals?

NO robbery? NO disturbances in or around the house? Okay so that would rule out drug crazed individuals?

what would rule out mafia or cult??

Can we presume its a

serial killer, thrill killer, Organized in some other fashion? Maybe I should call that "professional" IDK !!

Per the article I linked previously...

"The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved. &#8220;If that was the case, they&#8217;d want us to know,&#8221; he said."

And, by professional, I thought it meant "hired hit".

*Upon further thought, maybe someone hired amateur hit men???

 

[atthelake]

hahaha, I"ll have what she's having ! LOL
like the commercial, if anyone ever saw that

IIRC, that was the movie "When Harry Met Sally". They are in a restaurant...and Meg Ryan did the *fake or**sm scene. In that movie, it iirc was actually HER mother that was typecast for that role.

Yep, that one is a memory for sure! :giggle:

 

[Hickory Born]

Per the article I linked previously...

"The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved. “If that was the case, they’d want us to know,” he said."

And, by professional, I thought it meant "hired hit".

*Upon further thought, maybe someone hired amateur hit men???

What if they hired amateur hit men and they killed the wrong people?

 

[Hickory Born]

IIRC, that was the movie "When Harry Met Sally". They are in a restaurant...and Meg Ryan did the *fake or**sm scene. In that movie, it iirc was actually HER mother that was typecast for that role.

Yep, that one is a memory for sure! :giggle:

Think those words were spoken by Rob Reiner's mom. His son was in the same scene at the restaurant.

 

[atthelake]

Not sure if PCSO or the DNR is aware but there is a new forensic advanced sensor tool for remains detection of clandestine graves, odor detection, etc.; The Labrador.
Dr. Arpad Vass of the TN Body Farm, Cyril V. Thompson MS, and Marc Wise Phd, were all instrumental in developing this new technology for locating remains..

Labrador - New Alpha Dog Human Remains Detection
http://www.forensicmag.com/articles/2010/06/labrador-new-alpha-dog-human-remains-detection
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/231197.pdf

Careful! He was taken long ago during the FCA case by other female :websleuther: :loveyou: